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Northern Davincia wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know the USCG does more than just deal with drugs, right? Maritime safety and security is pretty important.

Fuse the USCG with the navy.

Lockdownn wrote:Who? I thought that she was an irrelevant failed 2016 candidate? Oh wait, she keeps being brought up because.... reasons?

Smoking cocaine while riding a lawn mower through a Walmart would be fun wouldn't it?

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

Why? The Navy and the Coast Guard have entirely different missions, equipment, organisation structure and other factors. What possible advantage would there be to merging the two given that that won't magically make the costs vanish?

The South Falls wrote:

Lockdownn wrote:And fuse the Army with the Marines while we're at it too huh?

Fuse the air force with the national guard.

Fuse the Navy with the Department of Agriculture!

Northern Davincia wrote:

Lockdownn wrote:And fuse the Army with the Marines while we're at it too huh?

Tempting...
We can fuse the Space Force with the Air Force too.

And NASA with the Department of Homeland Security. Don't they do the same thing?

Vassenor wrote:

Northern Davincia wrote:Fuse the USCG with the navy.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

Why? The Navy and the Coast Guard have entirely different missions, equipment, organisation structure and other factors. What possible advantage would there be to merging the two given that that won't magically make the costs vanish?

It would protect the Coast Guard from partial government shutdowns, at least. It's not unprecedented for the navy to take control of the Coast Guard.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

The South Falls wrote:Fuse the air force with the national guard.

Fuse the Navy with the Department of Agriculture!

Irrigation just got scarier.

Northern Davincia wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Why? The Navy and the Coast Guard have entirely different missions, equipment, organisation structure and other factors. What possible advantage would there be to merging the two given that that won't magically make the costs vanish?

It would protect the Coast Guard from partial government shutdowns, at least. It's not unprecedented for the navy to take control of the Coast Guard.

Or just create a special provision that prevents them from being defunded.

Northern Davincia wrote:Fuse the USCG with the navy.

Since there’s literally no reason to do that, I’m gonna have to give a hard no to that one, Chief. The Coast Guard And Navy do totally different things.

Northern Davincia wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Why? The Navy and the Coast Guard have entirely different missions, equipment, organisation structure and other factors. What possible advantage would there be to merging the two given that that won't magically make the costs vanish?

It would protect the Coast Guard from partial government shutdowns, at least. It's not unprecedented for the navy to take control of the Coast Guard.

They'd have to break apart after the shutdown, because their jobs are different.

Northern Davincia wrote:It's not unprecedented for the navy to take control of the Coast Guard.

During times of war.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:

Northern Davincia wrote:It's not unprecedented for the navy to take control of the Coast Guard.

During times of war.

Might as well extend that to peacetime.

Lockdownn wrote:

Northern Davincia wrote:It would protect the Coast Guard from partial government shutdowns, at least. It's not unprecedented for the navy to take control of the Coast Guard.

Or just create a special provision that prevents them from being defunded.

That's the easy way out, which isn't as fun.

Lockdownn wrote:I can't wait for the next terrorist attack because the TSA could give even less shits about their job.

The TSA sucks at catching terrorists but if I was a drug smuggler and found out that the people inspecting passengers were working without pay i'd think it was my birthday. Bribing someone to get drugs on a plane is probably only slightly more expensive right now than bringing baggage.

Northern Davincia wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:During times of war.

Might as well extend that to peacetime.

Lockdownn wrote:Or just create a special provision that prevents them from being defunded.

That's the easy way out, which isn't as fun.

It's efficient. .

Lockdownn wrote:

Republicanana wrote:Is it just me or are we where since the proposed deal by President Trump crashed and burned today, are we the most "no end in sight" at any point during this shutdown?

I just wish they could table the wall discussion, pass a bill to reopen the government and pay their damn employees, then resume bitching about the wall. It's a hostage situation at this point, and people are right to be concerned about it.

That being said, compromise? This Administration + opposing party? I doubt this will get resolved by February.

If the lobbysts start worrying then they'll settle, but not a moment sooner.

We just need to wait for the real people who control DC start suffering, this hasn't affected them yet.

Northern Davincia wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:During times of war.

Might as well extend that to peacetime.

Lockdownn wrote:Or just create a special provision that prevents them from being defunded.

That's the easy way out, which isn't as fun.

You know what else would be easy?

If Trump just stopped being a man baby and re opened government.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Northern Davincia wrote:Might as well extend that to peacetime.

That's the easy way out, which isn't as fun.

You know what else would be easy?

If Trump just stopped being a man baby and re opened government.

That's asking alot, depressingly.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Northern Davincia wrote:Might as well extend that to peacetime.

That's the easy way out, which isn't as fun.

You know what else would be easy?

If Trump just stopped being a man baby and re opened government.

How can he open the government with no bills to sign?

Last I heard Congress can't even write out a single bill that they even agree on for him to sign because the Senate and house are fighting each other just as much.

The Lone Alliance wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
You know what else would be easy?

If Trump just stopped being a man baby and re opened government.

How can he open the government with no bills to sign?

I mean, kind of. Functionally, this is a dispute between the house and the senate so far - neither has passed the other’s bills or opened reconciliation. Trump’s just publically feeding the dispute.

Galloism wrote:

The Lone Alliance wrote:How can he open the government with no bills to sign?

I mean, kind of. Functionally, this is a dispute between the house and the senate so far - neither has passed the other’s bills or opened reconciliation. Trump’s just publically feeding the dispute.

Exactly my point, Trump can't even reopen the government at this point.

Toaslandia wrote:Trump's wall wouldn't work too well. Most illegal immigrants come in on planes. But the senate should just have about $2.5 billion dollars for border security, with our soldiers down by the border I think we have it covered.

No. They walk across the border.

The Lone Alliance wrote:How can he open the government with no bills to sign?

Last I heard Congress can't even write out a single bill that they even agree on for him to sign because the Senate and house are fighting each other just as much.

McConnell has made it very clear that his cooperation is dependent on the President's.

The Lone Alliance wrote:

Galloism wrote:I mean, kind of. Functionally, this is a dispute between the house and the senate so far - neither has passed the other’s bills or opened reconciliation. Trump’s just publically feeding the dispute.

Exactly my point, Trump can't even reopen the government at this point.

Well, he could, by extension, by asking his friends in the senate to make a deal and forget about the damn wall. Probably enough would to reopen the government.

The president has a strong bully pulpit - for good or bad. But that would be using his influence to push for a reopening, instead of using it to keep it closed.

Conserative Morality wrote:

The Lone Alliance wrote:How can he open the government with no bills to sign?

Last I heard Congress can't even write out a single bill that they even agree on for him to sign because the Senate and house are fighting each other just as much.

McConnell has made it very clear that his cooperation is dependent on the President's.

Incidentally, this is another longstanding problem.

The president is not, and was never intended to be, majority leader or minority leader in the senate, or majority/minority whip in the house.

Independent co-equal branch of government is not just a meme.

Independence now. #freecongress and #freechrischristie

Conserative Morality wrote:

The Lone Alliance wrote:How can he open the government with no bills to sign?

Last I heard Congress can't even write out a single bill that they even agree on for him to sign because the Senate and house are fighting each other just as much.

McConnell has made it very clear that his cooperation is dependent on the President's.

So he says, quite frankly though what Congress should be doing is swamping Trump in bills right and left, even if they agree or disagree with him.

Make Trump put his money where his mouth is and Veto the damn thing.

Or let it sit on his desk while he ignores it. At least then it'll look like they're doing something too.

Or if the Senate really did support Trump, they should write their one with the wall funding and hand it to the house to ignore. But from what I heard they didn't even do that.

So yeah there's a lot more they can do than just sit around and wait on Trump. No one is doing their job here. At least if there's a Veto on the table they could, if desperate enough, override his Veto.

But that is, again, because I think in the end, none of the people involved in this, really give a fuck about this shut down. It's all a fucking game to them.

The Lone Alliance wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote:McConnell has made it very clear that his cooperation is dependent on the President's.

So he says, quite frankly though what Congress should be doing is swamping Trump in bills right and left, even if they agree or disagree with him.

Make Trump put his money where his mouth is and Veto the damn thing.

Or let it sit on his desk while he ignores it. At least then it'll look like they're doing something too.

Or if the Senate really did support Trump, they should write their one with the wall funding and hand it to the house to ignore. But from what I heard they didn't even do that.

So yeah there's a lot more they can do than just sit around and wait on Trump. No one is doing their job here. At least if there's a Veto on the table they could, if desperate enough, override his Veto.

But that is, again, because I think in the end, none of the people involved in this, really give a fuck about this shut down. It's all a fucking game to them.

That would require McConnell allowing the bills to come up, which he refuses to do.

if this shut down continues for another year, what are the chances of one side resorting to deploying the military/militias?