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Will there be a deal to end the shutdown by Friday January 18th?

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Postby Kannap » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:39 pm

Shofercia wrote:
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Look, I can dislike the Democratic Party in its modern form as much as the next guy, but putting the entire blame on them for this is the ridiculous thing here.


Erm, have you not seen the Democratic Rhetoric directed at President Trump? For some of them, he's the anti-Christ.


Of course, as they do, but when Trump himself told Congress he'd not sign a bill unless it does exactly what he wants it to do then you can't solely blame Congress - or further the Democrats in Congress.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:39 pm

The South Falls wrote:
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I'm not a supporter of the wall - I think it's dumb. I'd rather just heavily penalize the businesses who hire illegal immigrants and pay them below market wages, but that's too common sense an approach for the Government.

We'd have to find American workers for just about every position.


And if we don't hire illegal immigrants, who would build the wall?
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:42 pm

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The South Falls wrote:We'd have to find American workers for just about every position.


And if we don't hire illegal immigrants, who would build the wall?

Maybe we could recruit our unemployed to... move across the nation... and possibly work for 200 years...
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:43 pm

Strong and Stable.

Wait no thats Britain.

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Postby Toaslandia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:45 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Toaslandia wrote:Trump's wall wouldn't work too well. Most illegal immigrants come in on planes. But the senate should just have about $2.5 billion dollars for border security, with our soldiers down by the border I think we have it covered.


[Citation needed]


The New California Republic wrote:The US-Mexican border makes up a relatively small part of the total border that needs to be policed, so saying that the Democrats don't think that border security is an issue is completely spurious. It's like saying that someone who doesn't like pepperoni pizza doesn't like pizza at all.


The other borders include the US border with Canada, the Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, with the World's largest navy patrolling them, and there's also the Arctic Ocean, but Polar Bears have yet to manifest a major threat.


Neutraligon wrote:Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?


Are you expecting Congress to do effective studies? Love your optimism. Congress has commissioned a study on quails having sex while high on cocaine, and another on the effect of leaf blowers on lizards. They don't have time for this border wall stuff! (I recommend reading Rand Paul's Twitter Festivus, whole damn thing's hilarious)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-illegal-immigrants.html
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Postby Kannap » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:48 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Strong and Stable.

Wait no thats Britain.

BIGLY WALL


Following a poll of the American people, we've decided to name the wall Wall McWallface
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:50 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Strong and Stable.

Wait no thats Britain.

BIGLY WALL

Depending on how January goes, we might be getting our own version of the wall soon enough... :?
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Postby Kannap » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:53 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Strong and Stable.

Wait no thats Britain.

BIGLY WALL

Depending on how January goes, we might be getting our own version of the wall soon enough... :?


Dam both ends of the Channel, pump the water out, and build a wall along the bottom - straight down the middle.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:57 pm

GlobalControl wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Why the hell are we spending 350k on quail and drugs?

Because for whatever reason
It's apparently something worth wasting taxpayer dollars on.

You know, you could always read the research.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sc ... t-it-does/

Relevant bit quoted from the researchers:
The study seeks to verify ―the clinical observations that indicated that cocaine use in humans may increase sexual motivation, thereby increasing the likelihood of the occurrence of high-risk sexual behavior.‖ 141 The researcher conducting the study highlighted how ―Japanese quail are ‗ideal‘ animals to use when studying the link between sex and drugs because the ‗birds readily engage in reproductive behavior in the laboratory.‖142 University of Kentucky‘s website stated that ―quail provide a convenient and interesting alternative to standard laboratory rats and pigeons.‖143

They're lab animals being used to help model human sexual behavior because humans can't be so easily studied, but thanks to evolution most animals have mologous responses to drugs.

The take home from this is that Rand Paul should not be trusted. Ever.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:59 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:The take home from this is that Rand Paul should not be trusted. Ever.


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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:00 pm

Kannap wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Depending on how January goes, we might be getting our own version of the wall soon enough... :?


Dam both ends of the Channel, pump the water out, and build a wall along the bottom - straight down the middle.

Seems a shame to waste the potential of the White Cliffs of Dover as an obstacle...
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Postby Teachian » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:18 pm

If someone told me that they were going to veto a mostly bipartisan budget over a single, controversial campaign promise, I’d have called them stupid.

But colour me surprised, since it seems to working so far, or at least doing better than I expected. Sure if there had been the usual partisan disagreement and then Trump threw this in, I’d expect everyone to pick sides as usual, but as far as my understanding goes, the major obstacle was that he said he would veto anything including the border wall. Maybe I was being too logical, this is the government we’re talking about.

I honestly have no idea now who’d benefit from a continued standoff, since I highly doubt the average citizen views a shutdown as a good thing, while on the other, I’m starting to believe that it’s possible to overestimate some people’s support or opposition to it, regardless the cost. Maybe if it takes long enough, we’ll unlock the secret ending and the gofundme actually works. :blink:
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Postby Kannap » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:21 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Dam both ends of the Channel, pump the water out, and build a wall along the bottom - straight down the middle.

Seems a shame to waste the potential of the White Cliffs of Dover as an obstacle...


Second line of defense, for when the French bring down the wall.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:21 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
GlobalControl wrote: Because for whatever reason
It's apparently something worth wasting taxpayer dollars on.

You know, you could always read the research.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sc ... t-it-does/

Relevant bit quoted from the researchers:
The study seeks to verify ―the clinical observations that indicated that cocaine use in humans may increase sexual motivation, thereby increasing the likelihood of the occurrence of high-risk sexual behavior.‖ 141 The researcher conducting the study highlighted how ―Japanese quail are ‗ideal‘ animals to use when studying the link between sex and drugs because the ‗birds readily engage in reproductive behavior in the laboratory.‖142 University of Kentucky‘s website stated that ―quail provide a convenient and interesting alternative to standard laboratory rats and pigeons.‖143

They're lab animals being used to help model human sexual behavior because humans can't be so easily studied, but thanks to evolution most animals have mologous responses to drugs.

The take home from this is that Rand Paul should not be trusted. Ever.


That has several assumptions:

1. Quails are turned on as quickly as humans
2. Cocaine affects quails the same way as it affects humans
3. Humans consuming cocaine will somehow care about sexual motivation, and consume less cocaine as a result
4. That there are greater odds that sexual behavior of quails on cocaine will decrease use of cocaine by humans, than the opposite; otherwise you're just studying quails on cocaine to increase human cocaine consumption, which is even worse than what Rand Paul suggested

It's a dumb study. It's a waste of money. If someone's addicted to cocaine, rough sex isn't going to magically get most of them to quit; however who's to say that for every cocaine addict who quits because of rough sex, someone else didn't try cocaine, and get addicted to it, in order to aid their rough sex?
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:25 pm

Kannap wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Seems a shame to waste the potential of the White Cliffs of Dover as an obstacle...


Second line of defense, for when the French bring down the wall.

Ah. Defense in depth. I like it.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:25 pm

Kannap wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Erm, have you not seen the Democratic Rhetoric directed at President Trump? For some of them, he's the anti-Christ.


Of course, as they do, but when Trump himself told Congress he'd not sign a bill unless it does exactly what he wants it to do then you can't solely blame Congress - or further the Democrats in Congress.


True, but the post you were responding to was also mostly true:

Unithonia wrote:This is ridiculous on the side of the Democrats. It's obvious that:
A: Border Security is in no way a proper issue to them, or even something that they care about
B: They want to block everything the president does. Hopefully the voters see this and decide not to vote for the hive-minds on the left.


Democrats don't care about border security with Mexico, which is what I think the poster's referring to. I doubt said poster wanted to imply that Democrats don't care about the US Navy. And Democrats and President Trump are very much into hating each other. That said, I don't view Democrats as a hive mind, as some hate Trump because he's a dick to their constituents, and others hate Trump because he beat Hilary, yet other hate Trump for other reasons. My issue is with the "muh Hilary" Democrats who hate Trump mostly because of that.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:26 pm

Shofercia wrote:
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Look, I can dislike the Democratic Party in its modern form as much as the next guy, but putting the entire blame on them for this is the ridiculous thing here.


Erm, have you not seen the Democratic Rhetoric directed at President Trump? For some of them, he's the anti-Christ.
Nice made-up story you have there. It's the Republicans who actually do think Obama was the Anti-Christ. Trump has read two Corinthians, so he can't be the Anti-Christ.
And blaming the Democrats for the Trump Shutdown (C), which Trump engineered and told in advance he'd do and take blame for, is simply insane. They've got nothing to do with it, except perhaps a smidgen of fiscal responsibility. As Trump himself announced in his careful study of why he's ripe for the insane asylum, a ladder and a rope will defeat his border wall, which won't have an effect anyway because most immigration happens with overstayed visas.
Trump could have signed the bipartisan bill and be done with it, but he had to engage in identity-politics and pander to his own ego and the Fox News commentariat.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:29 pm

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Erm, have you not seen the Democratic Rhetoric directed at President Trump? For some of them, he's the anti-Christ.
Nice made-up story you have there. It's the Republicans who actually do think Obama was the Anti-Christ. Trump has read two Corinthians, so he can't be the Anti-Christ.
And blaming the Democrats for the Trump Shutdown (C), which Trump engineered and told in advance he'd do and take blame for, is simply insane. They've got nothing to do with it, except perhaps a smidgen of fiscal responsibility. As Trump himself announced in his careful study of why he's ripe for the insane asylum, a ladder and a rope will defeat his border wall, which won't have an effect anyway because most immigration happens with overstayed visas.
Trump could have signed the bipartisan bill and be done with it, but he had to engage in identity-politics and pander to his own ego and the Fox News commentariat.


Dude, have you not seen what's been going on in the press? Ever since the election, it's been Trump hate. And yes, Trump is to blame for the shutdown, I never said otherwise. And the Democrats are also to blame. If the bill had genuine bi-partisan support, it would've been able to surpass the presidential veto, so stop yelling "muh bi-partisanship!" - that might work with some CNN viewers, but not those of us who actually read the US Constitution.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:33 pm

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Erm, have you not seen the Democratic Rhetoric directed at President Trump? For some of them, he's the anti-Christ.
Nice made-up story you have there. It's the Republicans who actually do think Obama was the Anti-Christ. Trump has read two Corinthians, so he can't be the Anti-Christ.
And blaming the Democrats for the Trump Shutdown (C), which Trump engineered and told in advance he'd do and take blame for, is simply insane. They've got nothing to do with it, except perhaps a smidgen of fiscal responsibility. As Trump himself announced in his careful study of why he's ripe for the insane asylum, a ladder and a rope will defeat his border wall, which won't have an effect anyway because most immigration happens with overstayed visas.
Trump could have signed the bipartisan bill and be done with it, but he had to engage in identity-politics and pander to his own ego and the Fox News commentariat.


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Postby Shofercia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:34 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:Nice made-up story you have there. It's the Republicans who actually do think Obama was the Anti-Christ. Trump has read two Corinthians, so he can't be the Anti-Christ.
And blaming the Democrats for the Trump Shutdown (C), which Trump engineered and told in advance he'd do and take blame for, is simply insane. They've got nothing to do with it, except perhaps a smidgen of fiscal responsibility. As Trump himself announced in his careful study of why he's ripe for the insane asylum, a ladder and a rope will defeat his border wall, which won't have an effect anyway because most immigration happens with overstayed visas.
Trump could have signed the bipartisan bill and be done with it, but he had to engage in identity-politics and pander to his own ego and the Fox News commentariat.


Hell, if we believe the drawings he posted on Twitter it'd be trivial to squeeze between the bars.


I didn't realize that you were an avid reader of Trump's Twitter, Vassenor.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:36 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:Nice made-up story you have there. It's the Republicans who actually do think Obama was the Anti-Christ. Trump has read two Corinthians, so he can't be the Anti-Christ.
And blaming the Democrats for the Trump Shutdown (C), which Trump engineered and told in advance he'd do and take blame for, is simply insane. They've got nothing to do with it, except perhaps a smidgen of fiscal responsibility. As Trump himself announced in his careful study of why he's ripe for the insane asylum, a ladder and a rope will defeat his border wall, which won't have an effect anyway because most immigration happens with overstayed visas.
Trump could have signed the bipartisan bill and be done with it, but he had to engage in identity-politics and pander to his own ego and the Fox News commentariat.


Dude, have you not seen what's been going on in the press? Ever since the election, it's been Trump hate. And yes, Trump is to blame for the shutdown, I never said otherwise. And the Democrats are also to blame. If the bill had genuine bi-partisan support, it would've been able to surpass the presidential veto, so stop yelling "muh bi-partisanship!" - that might work with CNN viewers, but not those of us who actually read the US Constitution.
There's been no Trump hate. There's been a dignified evaluation of Trump, on the merits, which was more than he deserved after we had seen him during the election.
Meanwhile, the GOP did think Obama was literally the Anti-Christ:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... y-theories

The politics of passing a bill and overriding a veto are different, as you can see from other times bipartisan bills have been vetoed. Especially with the GOP following their President, it's to be expected that they flip the second he's against (As they've done so many times before). The Democrats are, for once, entirely innocent, as Trump himself noted in a rare, lucid moment with Pelosi and Schumer.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:38 pm

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Hell, if we believe the drawings he posted on Twitter it'd be trivial to squeeze between the bars.


I didn't realize that you were an avid reader of Trump's Twitter, Vassenor.

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Postby The South Falls » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:39 pm

There's definitely been Trump hate. That doesn't exonerate him from primary fault in this current shutdown.
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Shofercia
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:41 pm

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Dude, have you not seen what's been going on in the press? Ever since the election, it's been Trump hate. And yes, Trump is to blame for the shutdown, I never said otherwise. And the Democrats are also to blame. If the bill had genuine bi-partisan support, it would've been able to surpass the presidential veto, so stop yelling "muh bi-partisanship!" - that might work with CNN viewers, but not those of us who actually read the US Constitution.
There's been no Trump hate. There's been a dignified evaluation of Trump, on the merits, which was more than he deserved after we had seen him during the election.
Meanwhile, the GOP did think Obama was literally the Anti-Christ:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... y-theories

The politics of passing a bill and overriding a veto are different, as you can see from other times bipartisan bills have been vetoed. Especially with the GOP following their President, it's to be expected that they flip the second he's against (As they've done so many times before). The Democrats are, for once, entirely innocent, as Trump himself noted in a rare, lucid moment with Pelosi and Schumer.


There's been no Trump hate? :rofl:

Also, Obama is way off topic, and I'm not a member of GOP, so I see no reason to engage in that beloved tantrum of yours. And yes, the Democrats are just innocent lambs, out to be slaughtered by evil Trump. Yeah, no Trump hate here at all:

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Postby Shofercia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:43 pm

The South Falls wrote:There's definitely been Trump hate. That doesn't exonerate him from primary fault in this current shutdown.


Of course not. He wanted a showdown with the Democrats, and that partially inspired a shutdown. He is to blame. But when we get members of the other party trying to portray the Democrats as innocent lambs, (rather than the party that took his bait and went right into the shutdown,) just to be slaughtered by evil president, I just can't help but laugh. That said, I completely agree with your post.
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Ukraine - stop bombing innocent people! Pricks who burn other people alive should be punished.
WADA/IPC/IOC are begging Russia to form a strategic alliance with China. Perhaps it's time.
Come, learn about Russian Culture! Bring Vodka and Ushanka. Interested in Slavic Culture? Fill this out.
If we tell the radical Republicans that there's proof that Global Warming doesn't exist in Death Valley, and the radical Democrats that there's proof of Russian Collusion there, would we have a better America?

(North) Kosovo is (a de facto part of) Serbia and Crimea is (a de facto part of) Russia! DonBass is De Facto Independent! Stand with NovoRossiya!
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