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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:03 am
by Infected Mushroom
Purpelia wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
Appeasement is a terrible idea with egomaniacs. Not trying to Godwin here, but that philosphy was used with Germany and Hitler in the 30's and ut only led to more outrageous demands. I am not saying that this will turn Trumo into literal Hitler, but rather that appeasing egomaniacs doesn't work. $5.7 billion for a tiny bit of wall today, of which he didn't even provide construction plans for, could easily lead to this shit happening later this year again over an even larger sum of money. For pity's sake, we don't even know how he actually plans to use the money in any sort of exact sense aside from "build a small part of the wall".

And not getting paid for a month is a terribly bad plan for government officials that include the military. It was tried time and again with the Romans and look how that turned out.


it appears that Trump has successfully demonstrated that Democratic politicians care more about opposing him then in making sure government workers get paid

this should have interesting ramifications for the next election

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:05 am
by The Alma Mater
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Purpelia wrote:And not getting paid for a month is a terribly bad plan for government officials that include the military. It was tried time and again with the Romans and look how that turned out.


it appears that Trump has successfully demonstrated that Democratic politicians care more about opposing him then in making sure government workers get paid


Democrats AND Republicans.
Remember, the shutdown started when republicans had a majority.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:07 am
by Purpelia
Infected Mushroom wrote:it appears that Trump has successfully demonstrated that Democratic politicians care more about opposing him then in making sure government workers get paid

this should have interesting ramifications for the next election

And the american republic in general.

Really the whole situation in the western world recent years reminds me eerily of the late Roman republic. The democracy is failing its people. Elites are pursuing their own insane moralisms whilst the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. So they turn to populists which in turn are hated and reviled by the elites.

The scary thing is if Orban, Trump and their like are your Gracchus who is going to be your Cesar. In my lifetime we will probably find out.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:07 am
by Thermodolia
Purpelia wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
Appeasement is a terrible idea with egomaniacs. Not trying to Godwin here, but that philosphy was used with Germany and Hitler in the 30's and ut only led to more outrageous demands. I am not saying that this will turn Trumo into literal Hitler, but rather that appeasing egomaniacs doesn't work. $5.7 billion for a tiny bit of wall today, of which he didn't even provide construction plans for, could easily lead to this shit happening later this year again over an even larger sum of money. For pity's sake, we don't even know how he actually plans to use the money in any sort of exact sense aside from "build a small part of the wall".

And not getting paid for a month is a terribly bad plan for government officials that include the military. It was tried time and again with the Romans and look how that turned out.

Military is still getting paid

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:08 am
by Purpelia
Thermodolia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:And not getting paid for a month is a terribly bad plan for government officials that include the military. It was tried time and again with the Romans and look how that turned out.

Military is still getting paid

That's actually a relief. It's good to know that the worlds largest machine of pointless evil and murder that can flatten nations at a whim is not completely off its leash.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:09 am
by Thermodolia
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Purpelia wrote:And not getting paid for a month is a terribly bad plan for government officials that include the military. It was tried time and again with the Romans and look how that turned out.


it appears that Trump has successfully demonstrated that Democratic politicians care more about opposing him then in making sure government workers get paid

this should have interesting ramifications for the next election

Actually things are looking worse for republicans than democrats. Especially since ya know democrats didn’t start it republicans did.

Plus Trump is about to crack under pressure anyways.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:10 am
by Thermodolia
Purpelia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Military is still getting paid

That's actually a relief. It's good to know that the worlds largest machine of pointless evil and murder that can flatten nations at a whim is not completely off its leash.

As long as the shutdown doesn’t last until September 1st of this year the military will be fine. Because at that point the military becomes unpaid

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:10 am
by Vassenor
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Purpelia wrote:And not getting paid for a month is a terribly bad plan for government officials that include the military. It was tried time and again with the Romans and look how that turned out.


it appears that Trump has successfully demonstrated that Democratic politicians care more about opposing him then in making sure government workers get paid

this should have interesting ramifications for the next election


Which is why the Democrats are the ones who keep trying to get bills passed to get the government funded and everyone paid, and the Republicans are the ones that keep blocking those bills.

But tell me more about how it's the Democrats who don't want people to get paid.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:10 am
by Western Vale Confederacy
Purpelia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Military is still getting paid

That's actually a relief. It's good to know that the worlds largest machine of pointless evil and murder that can flatten nations at a whim is not completely off its leash.


Calm your raging ultrapacificism there buddy boy, the army ain't evil.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:11 am
by Purpelia
Vassenor wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
it appears that Trump has successfully demonstrated that Democratic politicians care more about opposing him then in making sure government workers get paid

this should have interesting ramifications for the next election


Which is why the Democrats are the ones who keep trying to get bills passed to get the government funded and everyone paid, and the Republicans are the ones that keep blocking those bills.

But tell me more about how it's the Democrats who don't want people to get paid.

They aren't trying unless they give him the wall. Trying would mean giving him the wall and asking for something in return.
You aren't compromising unless you give the other side what they want as well.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:12 am
by Vassenor
Purpelia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Which is why the Democrats are the ones who keep trying to get bills passed to get the government funded and everyone paid, and the Republicans are the ones that keep blocking those bills.

But tell me more about how it's the Democrats who don't want people to get paid.

They aren't trying unless they give him the wall. Trying would mean giving him the wall and asking for something in return.
You aren't compromising unless you give the other side what they want as well.


Giving the other side everything that they want is capitulation, not compromise.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:13 am
by Thermodolia
Purpelia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Which is why the Democrats are the ones who keep trying to get bills passed to get the government funded and everyone paid, and the Republicans are the ones that keep blocking those bills.

But tell me more about how it's the Democrats who don't want people to get paid.

They aren't trying unless they give him the wall. Trying would mean giving him the wall and asking for something in return.
You aren't compromising unless you give the other side what they want as well.

Actually they did. They proposed giving Trump the wall in return for protections for illegals brought to the US as minors. Trump refused it.

So the democrats said fuck compromise.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:16 am
by Purpelia
Vassenor wrote:
Purpelia wrote:They aren't trying unless they give him the wall. Trying would mean giving him the wall and asking for something in return.
You aren't compromising unless you give the other side what they want as well.


Giving the other side everything that they want is capitulation, not compromise.

Not if you also ask for everything you want in return. Than it's called good business.

Thermodolia wrote:Actually they did. They proposed giving Trump the wall in return for protections for illegals brought to the US as minors. Trump refused it.

So the democrats said fuck compromise.

But that is a completely unreasonable demand as it would undermine the entire purpose for building the wall. It's not compromise if someone asks for some food and you offer him food laced with rat poison.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:16 am
by The Alma Mater
Thermodolia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
it appears that Trump has successfully demonstrated that Democratic politicians care more about opposing him then in making sure government workers get paid

this should have interesting ramifications for the next election

Actually things are looking worse for republicans than democrats. Especially since ya know democrats didn’t start it republicans did.


A surprising number of Republicans seem to not know that.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:17 am
by The Alma Mater
Purpelia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Giving the other side everything that they want is capitulation, not compromise.

Not if you also ask for everything you want in return. Than it's called good business.

Which they did, and Trump said "No, ONLY I can get what I want".

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:19 am
by Purpelia
The Alma Mater wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Not if you also ask for everything you want in return. Than it's called good business.

Which they did, and Trump said "No, ONLY I can get what I want".

Did your democrats ask for reasonable things that do not directly oppose his primary mandate as an anti invader politician?

Like say health care or tax reform? Gun legislation? Civil liberties? You know, the things your country actually needs as opposed to being shut down and accepting hordes of foreigners?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:19 am
by Western Vale Confederacy
Thermodolia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:They aren't trying unless they give him the wall. Trying would mean giving him the wall and asking for something in return.
You aren't compromising unless you give the other side what they want as well.

Actually they did. They proposed giving Trump the wall in return for protections for illegals brought to the US as minors. Trump refused it.

So the democrats said fuck compromise.


Protection of illegal immigrants? Seriously?

THAT was their compromise?

Unless they were already in the governmental process of becoming a permanent resident or citizen, I wouldn't exactly agree to that.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:20 am
by The Alma Mater
Purpelia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Which they did, and Trump said "No, ONLY I can get what I want".

Did your democrats ask for reasonable things that do not directly oppose his primary mandate as an anti invader politician?

Like say health care or tax reform? Gun legislation? Civil liberties? You know, the things your country actually needs as opposed to being shut down and accepting hordes of foreigners?

More money for the coast guard and homeland security ?

Yes. Yes they did.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:21 am
by Vassenor
Purpelia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Which they did, and Trump said "No, ONLY I can get what I want".

Did your democrats ask for reasonable things that do not directly oppose his primary mandate as an anti invader politician?

Like say health care or tax reform? Gun legislation? Civil liberties? You know, the things your country actually needs as opposed to being shut down and accepting hordes of foreigners?


More money for non-wall border security has been all the bills they've tried to pass.

Also, >invaders

...that's a mighty fine dog whistle you've got there.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:21 am
by Thermodolia
Purpelia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Giving the other side everything that they want is capitulation, not compromise.

Not if you also ask for everything you want in return. Than it's called good business.

Thermodolia wrote:Actually they did. They proposed giving Trump the wall in return for protections for illegals brought to the US as minors. Trump refused it.

So the democrats said fuck compromise.

But that is a completely unreasonable demand as it would undermine the entire purpose for building the wall. It's not compromise if someone asks for some food and you offer him food laced with rat poison.

Not really considering that we had laws protecting those who where brought here to the US as kids. Here in the US we believe that kids don’t have the ability to understand what they did was wrong so we don’t count those who where brought here illegally as kids as breaking the law.

Hell the democrats even offered a watered down compromise that pretty much just asked Trump to not fuck over the Dreamers. The republicans refused that one too

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:22 am
by Purpelia
The Alma Mater wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Did your democrats ask for reasonable things that do not directly oppose his primary mandate as an anti invader politician?

Like say health care or tax reform? Gun legislation? Civil liberties? You know, the things your country actually needs as opposed to being shut down and accepting hordes of foreigners?

More money for the coast guard and homeland security ?

Yes. Yes they did.

But they also asked for protection for invaders in the same package. Anything packaged with that is just unacceptable poison and they know it.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:23 am
by Thermodolia
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Actually they did. They proposed giving Trump the wall in return for protections for illegals brought to the US as minors. Trump refused it.

So the democrats said fuck compromise.


Protection of illegal immigrants? Seriously?

THAT was their compromise?

Unless they were already in the governmental process of becoming a permanent resident or citizen, I wouldn't exactly agree to that.

Protection of illegals brought here when they where kids. Part of the Obama era law was that they had to be working towards citizenship/permanent residency. The republicans got rid of it.

Personally I’m not for punishing kids for their parents mistakes.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:25 am
by Thermodolia
Purpelia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:More money for the coast guard and homeland security ?

Yes. Yes they did.

But they also asked for protection for invaders in the same package. Anything packaged with that is just unacceptable poison and they know it.

Kids brought across the border between 2008-2017 aren’t invaders. Actually no immigrant legal or otherwise is an invader

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:26 am
by Vassenor
Purpelia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:More money for the coast guard and homeland security ?

Yes. Yes they did.

But they also asked for protection for invaders in the same package. Anything packaged with that is just unacceptable poison and they know it.


invade[in-veyd]

verb (used with object), in·vad·ed, in·vad·ing.

to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent:


This is your daily reminder that words actually mean things.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:26 am
by Purpelia
Vassenor wrote:This is your daily reminder that words actually mean things.

Entering the borders of a sovereign nation against the legitimate rules of entry laid out by that nation is by definition an invasion. Just as entering any other form of property against the wishes of its owner is.

Thermodolia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:But they also asked for protection for invaders in the same package. Anything packaged with that is just unacceptable poison and they know it.

Kids brought across the border between 2008-2017 aren’t invaders. Actually no immigrant legal or otherwise is an invader

Every person that enters a nation illegally for the purposes of appropriating which would otherwise have gone to legitimate citizens its resources is by definition either a raider or invader depending on if he intends to stay or take the loot home.