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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
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No
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes. Without a doubt.

The status quo isn’t going to ever change unless we force it to change

So go tell your friends in the military to start one

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:00 pm

The South Falls wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:The government restarted, for one.

Support of the American people, for another.

Things they really don’t care about
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:01 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Support of the American people, for another.

Things they really don’t care about

eh it's all about the lobby
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:02 pm

The South Falls wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:The government restarted, for one.

Support of the American people, for another.

They only care about appeasing their base

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Postby Telconi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:03 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Things they really don’t care about

eh it's all about the lobby


"The American People" are hardly a hive mind.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Support of the American people, for another.

They only care about appeasing their base


Have you seen a politician that wants to anger their base?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Support of the American people, for another.

They only care about appeasing their base

Arn't they also American people?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Support of the American people, for another.

They only care about appeasing their base

What you would you do if a democrat you elected to représente you in congress in your district voted against abortion or gay rights? You’d be obviously pissed. Pissed enough to vote them out of office. Which is why the republicans aren’t going to go against their base because then the republicans wouldn’t exist.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:12 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They only care about appeasing their base

What you would you do if a democrat you elected to représente you in congress in your district voted against abortion or gay rights? You’d be obviously pissed. Pissed enough to vote them out of office. Which is why the republicans aren’t going to go against their base because then the republicans wouldn’t exist.

Such a person would never get elected

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Postby Telconi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What you would you do if a democrat you elected to représente you in congress in your district voted against abortion or gay rights? You’d be obviously pissed. Pissed enough to vote them out of office. Which is why the republicans aren’t going to go against their base because then the republicans wouldn’t exist.

Such a person would never get elected


Hypotheticals don't seem to be your strong suit...
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Postby WhatsamattaU » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:14 pm

Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, is claiming that President Trump leaked news of her traveling to Afghanistan before he stopped her from using a military jet for the trip. I don't believe it, because if it was leaked then the President wouldn't have stopped her.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What you would you do if a democrat you elected to représente you in congress in your district voted against abortion or gay rights? You’d be obviously pissed. Pissed enough to vote them out of office. Which is why the republicans aren’t going to go against their base because then the republicans wouldn’t exist.

Such a person would never get elected

Really? Have you never heard of public and private opinions?
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
The South Falls wrote:eh it's all about the lobby


"The American People" are hardly a hive mind.

I really don't think people love the government to be closed.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:27 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, is claiming that President Trump leaked news of her traveling to Afghanistan before he stopped her from using a military jet for the trip. I don't believe it, because if it was leaked then the President wouldn't have stopped her.

Any evidence it was known beforehand?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:28 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Such a person would never get elected

Really? Have you never heard of public and private opinions?


Clearly all politicians are made of crystal glass and would never, ever lie to their base...

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Postby Notovasian Tsardom » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:31 pm

As a British person, this is both hilarious, and concerning. I look forward to seeing a resolution happen in the near future.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:31 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"The American People" are hardly a hive mind.

I really don't think people love the government to be closed.


Have you never met anarchists, or even minarchists?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
The South Falls wrote:I really don't think people love the government to be closed.


Have you never met anarchists, or even minarchists?


You don't even need to thread this far in America to find somebody celebrating the shutdown..

The right-libertarians are already doing the Fortnite default dance about it.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:34 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:

This has been explained to you often enough, it’s clear you’re ignoring it.
And the other 320 million are going about their lives. And some of those workers aren’t even that essential.

After being lectured the last year for being dismissive of workers in dying industries it’s a delight to see that was theater. The effect on others has also been explained to you enough times that at this point your argument boils down to “la la la I can’t hear you.”
Lol no, you don’t get to add to the problem and then claim innocence. Dems don’t want to end their petty pissing contest with the man so they accept part of the blame. Man the fuck up and take responsibility.

They are. The responsible adult response to a kid throwing a fit in the toy aisle is to say no and confirm this is not the way you ask for things.

It is most certainly how things worked, that’s politics. Never interrupt your opponent when he’s about to make a mistake.

That’s exactly what’s happening. Letting him make this mistake.[/quote]

Can, literally nobody is going out rioting on the streets and no one is dying from hunger or food poisoning as a result of the government shutdown. Is the shutdown bad? Yes, but it’s not the end of the world. It mostly affects the federal workers who I can really care less about considering that a many of them are non essential and are under worked but overpaid. And shutdowns have never had a significant impact on the economy and any minor impact that it would have is expected to revert back to normal after the shutdown is over.

Others like who? Businesses really do not have to rely on federal workers. Land lords for example won’t suffer, as they can just find other tenants that will pay rent. In fact it is private businesses like Whole Foods that are volunteering their time and resources to help make sure that federal workers are fed. And as for the FDA? Private companies would’ve just continued to go much further than government regulations on food inspection like they always have, and FDA workers have returned to work again anyways. As for farms not being able to produce goods? That’s a lie. Most farms don’t get subsidies anyways and yet there is no food shortage going on. And even if the TSA continues not to work, private contractors will just pick up on where they left and do a better job, so calm the fuck down.

I’d really wish we’d put just as much energy worrying about our national debt.

A responsible adult doesn’t let 50 dollars burn away just so their kid doesn’t get a two dollar toy.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:39 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Never. Made. That. Argument.

Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!”
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Please actually try to read what I’m responding to before making stupid statements like yours.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:44 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!”
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Please actually try to read what I’m responding to before making stupid statements like yours.


Chernoslavia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Innocent in building a useless wall that is built on poorly veiled racism and a complete misunderstanding of immigration issues?

No, we're pretty innocent in that regard.


Oh ffs! Listen carefully - Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!

Sure about as innocent as someone adding fuel to a fire.


You made the arugment.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:53 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Please actually try to read what I’m responding to before making stupid statements like yours.


Chernoslavia wrote:
Oh ffs! Listen carefully - Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!

Sure about as innocent as someone adding fuel to a fire.


You made the arugment.


Again, I was only calling bs to Hope’s claim that building the wall is racist, the wall was meant to secure our borders but I never made the argument that it would be effective. I’m against the wall.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:53 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:This has been explained to you often enough, it’s clear you’re ignoring it.

After being lectured the last year for being dismissive of workers in dying industries it’s a delight to see that was theater. The effect on others has also been explained to you enough times that at this point your argument boils down to “la la la I can’t hear you.”

They are. The responsible adult response to a kid throwing a fit in the toy aisle is to say no and confirm this is not the way you ask for things.

That’s exactly what’s happening. Letting him make this mistake.

Chernoslavia wrote:Can, literally nobody is going out rioting on the streets and no one is dying from hunger or food poisoning as a result of the government shutdown. Is the shutdown bad? Yes, but it’s not the end of the world. It mostly affects the federal workers who I can really care less about considering that a many of them are non essential and are under worked but overpaid. And shutdowns have never had a significant impact on the economy and any minor impact that it would have is expected to revert back to normal after the shutdown is over.

Others like who? Businesses really do not have to rely on federal workers. Land lords for example won’t suffer, as they can just find other tenants that will pay rent. In fact it is private businesses like Whole Foods that are volunteering their time and resources to help make sure that federal workers are fed. And as for the FDA? Private companies would’ve just continued to go much further than government regulations on food inspection like they always have, and FDA workers have returned to work again anyways. As for farms not being able to produce goods? That’s a lie. Most farms don’t get subsidies anyways and yet there is no food shortage going on. And even if the TSA continues not to work, private contractors will just pick up on where they left and do a better job, so calm the fuck down.

I’d really wish we’d put just as much energy worrying about our national debt.

A responsible adult doesn’t let 50 dollars burn away just so their kid doesn’t get a two dollar toy.

Callous disregard for fellow citizens noted.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:00 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:That’s exactly what’s happening. Letting him make this mistake.

Chernoslavia wrote:Can, literally nobody is going out rioting on the streets and no one is dying from hunger or food poisoning as a result of the government shutdown. Is the shutdown bad? Yes, but it’s not the end of the world. It mostly affects the federal workers who I can really care less about considering that a many of them are non essential and are under worked but overpaid. And shutdowns have never had a significant impact on the economy and any minor impact that it would have is expected to revert back to normal after the shutdown is over.

Others like who? Businesses really do not have to rely on federal workers. Land lords for example won’t suffer, as they can just find other tenants that will pay rent. In fact it is private businesses like Whole Foods that are volunteering their time and resources to help make sure that federal workers are fed. And as for the FDA? Private companies would’ve just continued to go much further than government regulations on food inspection like they always have, and FDA workers have returned to work again anyways. As for farms not being able to produce goods? That’s a lie. Most farms don’t get subsidies anyways and yet there is no food shortage going on. And even if the TSA continues not to work, private contractors will just pick up on where they left and do a better job, so calm the fuck down.

I’d really wish we’d put just as much energy worrying about our national debt.

A responsible adult doesn’t let 50 dollars burn away just so their kid doesn’t get a two dollar toy.

Callous disregard for fellow citizens noted.

It's almost like it's a common theme amongst people who don't care about the shut down or something...
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:02 pm

New haven america wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Callous disregard for fellow citizens noted.

It's almost like it's a common theme amongst people who don't care about the shut down or something...


Hmmm. Probably attention seeking. Look at me I am edgy!
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