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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
103
77%
No
31
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Total votes : 134

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They aren’t going to commit political suicide for San Lumen.

Revolution is better

For the good of the country they should


Whatever happened to the will of the voters and all that nonsense? Or does that only count when you like the will of the voters?
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Postby New haven america » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:11 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:For the good of the country they should


Whatever happened to the will of the voters and all that nonsense? Or does that only count when you like the will of the voters?

Reminder that Trump becoming President wasn't the will of the voters, he lost by ~3 million.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:13 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:For the good of the country they should


Whatever happened to the will of the voters and all that nonsense? Or does that only count when you like the will of the voters?

Country should come before party

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:13 pm

New haven america wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Whatever happened to the will of the voters and all that nonsense? Or does that only count when you like the will of the voters?

Reminder that Trump becoming President wasn't the will of the voters, he lost by ~3 million.


Hey actually won by seventy-seven, but the presidential election isnt relevant to the acts of legislators.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Whatever happened to the will of the voters and all that nonsense? Or does that only count when you like the will of the voters?

Country should come before party


That's a worthless statement.
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-Environmental Protections
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-Unnecessary Taxes
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-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
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"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:16 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No republicans should stab their base in the back and impeach him

They aren’t going to commit political suicide for San Lumen.

Revolution is better


How about:

Trump gives up on the wall

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Country should come before party


That's a worthless statement.

No it’s not. You take an oath to the constitution not blind loyalty to your base

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's a worthless statement.

No it’s not. You take an oath to the constitution not blind loyalty to your base


And?
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ANTI:
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Tobleste
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Founded: Dec 27, 2017
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Postby Tobleste » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They aren’t going to commit political suicide for San Lumen.

Revolution is better

For the good of the country they should


They'd just replace him with Spencer or Milo or some other nut. The problem is republican voters, not Trump. They're his enablers. Impeaching Trump would just make them more angry. The only solution is to outvote them over the next few years and make the political system more representative so their minority support can only get them minority status.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:19 pm

Tobleste wrote:
San Lumen wrote:For the good of the country they should


They'd just replace him with Spencer or Milo or some other nut. The problem is republican voters, not Trump. They're his enablers. Impeaching Trump would just make them more angry. The only solution is to outvote them over the next few years and make the political system more representative so their minority support can only get them minority status.


So make their base angry

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Tobleste
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Postby Tobleste » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
They'd just replace him with Spencer or Milo or some other nut. The problem is republican voters, not Trump. They're his enablers. Impeaching Trump would just make them more angry. The only solution is to outvote them over the next few years and make the political system more representative so their minority support can only get them minority status.


So make their base angry


They'd go full KKK. Best to just make them politically irrelevant.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:21 pm

Tobleste wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So make their base angry


They'd go full KKK. Best to just make them politically irrelevant.

What does that mean? They are a minority anyway.

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:24 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They aren’t going to commit political suicide for San Lumen.

Revolution is better


How about:

Trump gives up on the wall

Hell will freeze over before that happens
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:26 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
How about:

Trump gives up on the wall

Hell will freeze over before that happens


I highly doubt they'll come to some deal. One side will win when the other side caves.
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-Religious Freedom
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-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Tobleste
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Postby Tobleste » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
They'd go full KKK. Best to just make them politically irrelevant.

What does that mean? They are a minority anyway.


They elected Trump out of anger. Impeaching Trump will likely let an actual neo nazi or alt-right freak take over the entire party just as Trump did, such will be their breakdown.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:32 pm

Tobleste wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What does that mean? They are a minority anyway.


They elected Trump out of anger. Impeaching Trump will likely let an actual neo nazi or alt-right freak take over the entire party just as Trump did, such will be their breakdown.

I doubt a neo Nazi would take the helm
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Tobleste
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Postby Tobleste » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
They elected Trump out of anger. Impeaching Trump will likely let an actual neo nazi or alt-right freak take over the entire party just as Trump did, such will be their breakdown.

I doubt that


I doubted Trump would be elected. The rest of us can't expect any level of rationality considering what we're dealing with.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:34 pm

Tobleste wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I doubt that


I doubted Trump would be elected. The rest of us can't expect any level of rationality considering what we're dealing with.

I don’t think a literal Nazi would win a election but who knows? Steve king got re-elected

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's a worthless statement.

No it’s not. You take an oath to the constitution not blind loyalty to your base

What fantasy land are you living in? Nobody gives a shit about the constitution unless they can beat their opponents with it
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>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:46 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No it’s not. You take an oath to the constitution not blind loyalty to your base

What fantasy land are you living in? Nobody gives a shit about the constitution unless they can beat their opponents with it

And military coup or revolution is better?

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What fantasy land are you living in? Nobody gives a shit about the constitution unless they can beat their opponents with it

And military coup or revolution is better?

Yes. Without a doubt.

The status quo isn’t going to ever change unless we force it to change
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Male, Titoist cultural nationalist, lives somewhere in AZ, give me any good Irish, Canadian, or Scottish whiskey and I will be your friend for life. I'm GAY! US Military Veteran
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:50 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No it’s not. You take an oath to the constitution not blind loyalty to your base

What fantasy land are you living in? Nobody gives a shit about the constitution unless they can beat their opponents with it


At this point an oath to uphold the constitution has about as much meaning as an oath to "do the right thing" it's so utterly subjective as to be pointless.
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-Labor Unions
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ANTI:
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-Bigotry In All Forms
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:51 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And military coup or revolution is better?

Yes. Without a doubt.

The status quo isn’t going to ever change unless we force it to change

So go tell your friends in the military to start one

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:55 pm

Telconi wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Hell will freeze over before that happens


I highly doubt they'll come to some deal. One side will win when the other side caves.

veto proof bill plz congress

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:57 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I highly doubt they'll come to some deal. One side will win when the other side caves.

veto proof bill plz congress


I mean... Why would they do this? What do Republican Senators get by overriding their own President to pass a bill?
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-Life
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-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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