US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[The Grims]

Truly, the magnificence that is Trump is projecting an aura of majesty around the globe. All countries see how great America is again, with its walls and childish antics by its top politicians.

[Vassenor]

But we're not doing that, though, are we?

He wants a shitty wall and he put fucking TSA on furlough to do it.

The TSA is grossly ineffective as an organization. We'd probably be much better off returning airport security to the the airports and the states and using their budget to construct a border wall and improve border security.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tes ... d=51022188
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... tems-minn/

So you have actual evidence the wall would be effective and not just an equally big and expensive piece of security theatre?

[The Lone Alliance]

The TSA is grossly ineffective as an organization. We'd probably be much better off returning airport security to the the airports and the states and using their budget to construct a border wall and improve border security.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tes ... d=51022188
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... tems-minn/

So you have actual evidence the wall would be effective and not just an equally big and expensive piece of security theatre?

It'll likely be as effects as the TSA, it'll slow down the incompetent ones but a really determined person will find a way around it.

At least a wall won't force the criminals and smugglers to do a cavity search first.

Now I have a horrible mental image of a wall of TSA agents, that'll convince anyone not to come to the US.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

But we're not doing that, though, are we?

He wants a shitty wall and he put fucking TSA on furlough to do it.

The TSA is grossly ineffective as an organization. We'd probably be much better off returning airport security to the the airports and the states and using their budget to construct a border wall and improve border security.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tes ... d=51022188
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... tems-minn/

TSA needs a reform, a wall would at best give you the illusion of security.

In reality, the wall won't do anything.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Oh ffs! Listen very carefully, you're evidently having extreme issues understanding this - The. Wall. Won't. Work. It isn't securing our borders, end of. To assert otherwise is downright foolish and deluded at this point.



The compromise budgets proposed and passed by the Democratic House have included increased spending for border security but stop full sale at the wall because it simply won't work. It's utterly useless and a monument that says something, and it isn't saying "we love immigrants!"

I am refuting Port’s idiotic notion that this wall business is somehow “racist”.

And the notion that the wall won’t completely work is completely fucking retarded and dishonest. But not to where it’s worth 7 billion. The wall was never meant to fully stop illegal migration anyways.

How is it dishonest? Or did you mean by "retarded dishonest" you ment to say "reasonable examinations of how the wall would not impact illegal immigration that I dissagree with beacuse Trump said that illegals are spoopy"?

Is "never ment to fully stop illegal migration anyways" just code for "we know the thing doesn't work but we want the illusion of security it would give us."?

[The Grims]

Oh ffs! Listen very carefully, you're evidently having extreme issues understanding this - The. Wall. Won't. Work. It isn't securing our borders, end of. To assert otherwise is downright foolish and deluded at this point.



The compromise budgets proposed and passed by the Democratic House have included increased spending for border security but stop full sale at the wall because it simply won't work. It's utterly useless and a monument that says something, and it isn't saying "we love immigrants!"

I am refuting Port’s idiotic notion that this wall business is somehow “racist”.

And the notion that the wall won’t completely work is completely fucking retarded and dishonest. But not to where it’s worth 7 billion. The wall was never meant to fully stop illegal migration anyways.

Then why does Trump when speaking about the benefits of the wall keep using figures based on all illegals instead of the ones the wall would stop ?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I am refuting Port’s idiotic notion that this wall business is somehow “racist”.

And the notion that the wall won’t completely work is completely fucking retarded and dishonest. But not to where it’s worth 7 billion. The wall was never meant to fully stop illegal migration anyways.

Then why does Trump when speaking about the benefits of the wall keep using figures based on all illegals instead of the ones the wall would stop ?

Because he wants to use scary big numbers to justify a $6 billion check that he's almost certainly going to pocket the moment nobody's looking.

[The Grims]

The TSA is grossly ineffective as an organization. We'd probably be much better off returning airport security to the the airports and the states and using their budget to construct a border wall and improve border security.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tes ... d=51022188
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... tems-minn/

TSA needs a reform, a wall would at best give you the illusion of security.

In reality, the wall won't do anything.

Untrue. The wall would be a statement, saying "not welcome".

[Ifreann]

Then why does Trump when speaking about the benefits of the wall keep using figures based on all illegals instead of the ones the wall would stop ?

Because he wants to use scary big numbers to justify a $6 billion check that he's almost certainly going to pocket the moment nobody's looking.

That and he's a moron and likely doesn't understand the numbers himself.



THE NUMBERS, DONALD, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?!

[West Leas Oros 2]

Building. A. Wall. Won’t. Secure. Our. Borders!

Never. Made. That. Argument.

“Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!”
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[West Leas Oros 2]

TSA needs a reform, a wall would at best give you the illusion of security.

In reality, the wall won't do anything.

Untrue. The wall would be a statement, saying "not welcome".

What good is a statement if no one listens?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

TSA needs a reform, a wall would at best give you the illusion of security.

In reality, the wall won't do anything.

Untrue. The wall would be a statement, saying "not welcome".

I don't think prospective criminals would be deterred by a simple statement. The only people we'd drive off are the ones we actually want here, so they can work low-value jobs Americans don't want (such as agricultural labor, for example).

[Alvecia]

Untrue. The wall would be a statement, saying "not welcome".

What good is a statement if no one listens?

Hell of an expensive statement.
Feel like a tweet would be about as effective, and much cheaper too.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

What good is a statement if no one listens?

Hell of an expensive statement.
Feel like a tweet would be about as effective, and much cheaper too.

Donald Trump has attacked enough people on Twitter that no one would notice anything out of the ordinary.

[The Alma Mater]

Untrue. The wall would be a statement, saying "not welcome".

What good is a statement if no one listens?

Ask the people who sell your personal data because you mindlessly clicked "ok" at the 372 page ToS that new game asked you to agree to

[Heloin]

TSA needs a reform, a wall would at best give you the illusion of security.

In reality, the wall won't do anything.

Untrue. The wall would be a statement, saying "not welcome".

They could pay me 6 billion dollars to tell every Latin American that the US hates them. That'd make just as big of a statement as a wall.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Untrue. The wall would be a statement, saying "not welcome".

They could pay me 6 billion dollars to tell every Latin American that the US hates them. That'd make just as big of a statement as a wall.

No, no, no. We shouldn't entrust one person with this. They should split the money between the two of us, $3 billion each, so we could get the job done twice as fast!

[The Emerald Legion]

The TSA is grossly ineffective as an organization. We'd probably be much better off returning airport security to the the airports and the states and using their budget to construct a border wall and improve border security.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tes ... d=51022188
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... tems-minn/

TSA needs a reform, a wall would at best give you the illusion of security.

In reality, the wall won't do anything.

Depends on how it's done. If it's properly staffed? A wall will do quite a lot.

Of course I expect the moment they can, the Democrats will sabotage it because that's how politics goes.

Just like the argument about the death penalty being more expensive. It's more expensive because you made it more expensive.

[Spirit of Hope]

TSA needs a reform, a wall would at best give you the illusion of security.

In reality, the wall won't do anything.

Depends on how it's done. If it's properly staffed? A wall will do quite a lot.

Of course I expect the moment they can, the Democrats will sabotage it because that's how politics goes.

Just like the argument about the death penalty being more expensive. It's more expensive because you made it more expensive.

Even if "properly" staffed the wall would do very little since most illegal immigration is people entering the country legally and then overstaying there visas. Most drugs similarly enter the country through normal ports of entry. It will however cost a lot of money to make, require the government seize a bunch of private property, and disrupt a bunch of natural habitat.

[Ifreann]

TSA needs a reform, a wall would at best give you the illusion of security.

In reality, the wall won't do anything.

Depends on how it's done. If it's properly staffed? A wall will do quite a lot.

Of course I expect the moment they can, the Democrats will sabotage it because that's how politics goes.

Just like the argument about the death penalty being more expensive. It's more expensive because you made it more expensive.

If you have enough CBP agents spread out along the border to detect and intercept everyone who crosses it, exactly what do you need the wall for?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Depends on how it's done. If it's properly staffed? A wall will do quite a lot.

Of course I expect the moment they can, the Democrats will sabotage it because that's how politics goes.

Just like the argument about the death penalty being more expensive. It's more expensive because you made it more expensive.

If you have enough CBP agents spread out along the border to detect and intercept everyone who crosses it, exactly what do you need the wall for?

Political dick measuring, mostly.

[Kannap]

Between my mom ranting to me about how the evil Democrats are keeping Trump from getting his wall and she supports the government shut down, it's occurred to me, why's it the Democrat's fault when Republicans held both houses of Congress under Trump for two years?

[Ifreann]

Between my mom ranting to me about how the evil Democrats are keeping Trump from getting his wall and she supports the government shut down, it's occurred to me, why's it the Democrat's fault when Republicans held both houses of Congress under Trump for two years?

Because Trump said it is.

[Seangoli]

Depends on how it's done. If it's properly staffed? A wall will do quite a lot.

Of course I expect the moment they can, the Democrats will sabotage it because that's how politics goes.

Just like the argument about the death penalty being more expensive. It's more expensive because you made it more expensive.

If you have enough CBP agents spread out along the border to detect and intercept everyone who crosses it, exactly what do you need the wall for?

Heyo, we have a winner. Much of the US border is already effectively unpassable due to terrain, or at least to a degree that a wall doesn't add any particular extra obstacle to those trying to cross in thise location.


Now, barriers do make sense in very specific circumstances. In more highly trafficked areas, it makes a lot of sense. You will have a significant personnel presence there already, and a barrier does provide some extra measure.


In the middle of the damn desert, hundreds of miles from anywhere of importance, and will likely be relatively unguarded? Anybody who already crosses there is not going to be deterred by a Wall, and we can just as easily increase our presence in such areas and be just as effectice at stopping people without a giant vanity project.


Nobody is actually saying barriers don't have a place as a larger part of border security. At least, not many are. Ratherx they are saying the Trump Wall as envisioned is going to be fucking useless. In the areas barriers work, we can build barriers. In the areas where barriers are less effective, the wall will do jackall more than just invested in invisible wall tech.

We don't need a 2,000 mile long pile of garbage to protect the border, particularly goven that the administration has given no indication of how the money will be spent and on what, amd that they have trippled their asking price in a few short months. And, to their own admission, the 5.74billion isn't even for the entire barrier, at all. Its to get things started and nothing more, covering (at best) about 150 miles of border or so. And that is assuming that their vague "plan" stays on their totally accurate budget amd doesn't balloon out of control.

Its fucking stupid, all of it, and it gob smacks me how much people buy this bullshit.

[Kannap]

Between my mom ranting to me about how the evil Democrats are keeping Trump from getting his wall and she supports the government shut down, it's occurred to me, why's it the Democrat's fault when Republicans held both houses of Congress under Trump for two years?

Because Trump said it is.

I can't believe I didn't think about it sooner, to be honest, ready to drop that bomb shell on my mom then next time she tries to rant about evil Democrats.