US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Seangoli]

Senate Republicans wouldn't pass the bill and send it to him.

Mitch McConnell won't allow a vote on the bill, even though the Senate previously passed it unanimously. If Addison Mitchell would dare upset the President, the government would be funded right now.

The president has pretty much made a border wall a policy goal of the party. I'm not sure why this suddenly became a thing now that he's lost hist majority in the House. One also has to wonder why the border wall is so important that the government has to be shut down for a while. Republicans grumble about, but ultimately sign off on, planned parenthood funding and keep the government going happily along, and from a Catholic perspective those are bad priorities.

I can see why Trump suddenly got very serious about the wall when he had spent the two years previous not giving much of a fuck. The election results were in and he knew Democrats were going to take the House in January, so he tried to get his wall funding before then. But Republicans don't actually want his stupid fucking wall any more than Democrats do.

It's even dumber than that.

Apparently, He originally asked for $1.6 billion, which after some hand wringing he was given and it was apparently going theough congress.

By December, he had upped the number to $5 billion, without providing the appropriations committee anything on why or what the money os actually used for. Fast forward to late December, and he ups it again to $5.7 billion, again with no indication of how it is to be used, and Congress collectively baulked at that.

Bare in mind that this isn't Republicans v. Democrats. Most Republicans want nothing to do with this as well, which is why he didn't get funding before the House turned Democrat.

Few people in Congress wamt to spend money on the Wall, includkng most Republicans. I have no idea what they would collectively do if the Democrats capitulated.

[Corrian]

I feel like this is turning into the McConnell Shutdown because Jesus Christ he keeps not allowing even a vote, and I'm pretty sure the House bills would pass if it went up to a vote.

[Valrifell]

I feel like this is turning into the McConnell Shutdown because Jesus Christ he keeps not allowing even a vote, and I'm pretty sure the House bills would pass if it went up to a vote.

At what point does the Senate just go full mutiny and oust McConnell? Not, like, expulsion, but the election of a new majority leader.

[Corrian]

I feel like this is turning into the McConnell Shutdown because Jesus Christ he keeps not allowing even a vote, and I'm pretty sure the House bills would pass if it went up to a vote.

At what point does the Senate just go full mutiny and oust McConnell? Not, like, expulsion, but the election of a new majority leader.

Probably never honestly. I don't trust Republicans to do anything.

[Eahland]

I agree. But why not just let the fat man have his wall and let its failure at securing the border blow up in his face? It’s either that or prolong the shut down....or you know, let us have our Mattis-led coup.

You don't negotiate with terrorists. Especially ones that, like Trump, have proven repeatedly that they're incapable of negotiating in good faith.

What I thought I heard, and this is where I get lost, is one of the first things that Pelosi did was put the Senate's compromise up and pass it. What I think that means is that there is a spending bill that has now passed both chambers and is up to Trump to veto. But I haven't seen mention of Trump vetoing anything, just that he will if it doesn't have the wall money in it. Is there a procedural hurdle that the Senate bill that the House passed when they went into session, can there be a push to force that bill to the desk and then back for an over-ride vote? Or does someone have better google fu and can link me to a good time line and I can look this up myself?

I think the basic problem is that this is a new Congress, so the bill passed by the House of the 116th Congress is, despite being fundamentally identical, not the same bill that was passed by the Senate of the 115th Congress. It's a new bill, and the 116th Senate needs to pass it before it can be sent to the President to veto. And McConnell refuses to allow a vote on it.

[Myrensis]

Senate Republicans wouldn't pass the bill and send it to him.

Mitch McConnell won't allow a vote on the bill, even though the Senate previously passed it unanimously. If Addison Mitchell would dare upset the President, the government would be funded right now.

The president has pretty much made a border wall a policy goal of the party. I'm not sure why this suddenly became a thing now that he's lost hist majority in the House. One also has to wonder why the border wall is so important that the government has to be shut down for a while. Republicans grumble about, but ultimately sign off on, planned parenthood funding and keep the government going happily along, and from a Catholic perspective those are bad priorities.

I can see why Trump suddenly got very serious about the wall when he had spent the two years previous not giving much of a fuck. The election results were in and he knew Democrats were going to take the House in January, so he tried to get his wall funding before then. But Republicans don't actually want his stupid fucking wall any more than Democrats do.

He knew the House was lost on November 8, it was just a matter of final numbers. Trump didn't give any more of a shit about the wall then then he did before or does now. All that's changed is that he got his fragile ego bruised by conservative talking heads when the non-wall funding bill looked like it was going through, so he balled his tiny hands into fists and demanded the wall to show how strong he was, with no actual planning or grasp of the consequences. Now of course he realizes that he's backed himself into a corner where his only options are public humiliation in front of his base or getting the wall... somehow... from a Congress where neither party gives a shit about the wall either and where he has no leverage other than threatening Republicans with the red hat brigade.

Hence McConnell's cowardice, since his approval rating in Kentucky is a whole 1 point higher than Jeff Flake's was when he retired because he knew he would never survive a Primary with Trump against him.

[Corrian]

why wouldn't they get the credit if no one in the IRS showed up to work?

Because the IRS can't issue refunds without employees to review and process them, and these credits are not delivered in pay, but only as part of tax refunds.

These people are being asked to show up to work without pay because without them the IRS cannot issue refunds, and those tax credits are delivered as part of said refunds.

Somehow I feel like I understand this more than Lumen and I haven't even filed my taxes yet. This year will be my first time.

...Which might be interesting,

[Corrian]

Have any of the unpaid workers lost their homes yet?

I don't think most people lose their houses that easily. We couldn't properly pay our bills for years yet we managed to (barely) keep our house.

[San Lumen]

I feel like this is turning into the McConnell Shutdown because Jesus Christ he keeps not allowing even a vote, and I'm pretty sure the House bills would pass if it went up to a vote.

The other senators could stage a mutiny I think and overrule him but they are too afraid of their base which is why this shutdown will likely last months. In my view you could end it tomorrow if the TSA, IRS and ATC walked off the job in masse. It would end within an hour.

[Neutraligon]

I feel like this is turning into the McConnell Shutdown because Jesus Christ he keeps not allowing even a vote, and I'm pretty sure the House bills would pass if it went up to a vote.

The other senators could stage a mutiny I think and overrule him but they are too afraid of their base which is why this shutdown will likely last months. In my view you could end it tomorrow if the TSA, IRS and ATC walked off the job in masse. It would end within an hour.

So now you support a strike?

[San Lumen]

The other senators could stage a mutiny I think and overrule him but they are too afraid of their base which is why this shutdown will likely last months. In my view you could end it tomorrow if the TSA, IRS and ATC walked off the job in masse. It would end within an hour.

So now you support a strike?

Yes I changed my opinion

[Galloism]

Because the IRS can't issue refunds without employees to review and process them, and these credits are not delivered in pay, but only as part of tax refunds.

These people are being asked to show up to work without pay because without them the IRS cannot issue refunds, and those tax credits are delivered as part of said refunds.

Somehow I feel like I understand this more than Lumen and I haven't even filed my taxes yet.

I think a lot of people do.

[Corrian]

I'm sure "you'll get paid eventually" will be a big comfort to them when they can't pay their rent at the end of the month.

That’d be funny.

I do love how types like you don't even pretend to care about workers anymore.

[The Rich Port]

That’d be funny.

I do love how types like you don't even pretend to care about workers anymore.

Now to be fair, they're dirty parasitic government workers who leech off of honest people like bankers, doctors, and lawyers and plumbers... With their regulations and protections and insurances and licenses and inspections.

How dare they make sure everyone is following the law, having ethical practices, and know what they're doing? How dare they make sure meat is the quality that the butchers say it is and that it doesn't give you e-coli infections? This is a free country, where everyone deserves to be exploited with zero recourse because that's how China and Russia are beating us economically.

Don't you wanna be more like those amazing countries, China and Russia, with their authoritarian oligarchies and urban squalor and borderline Communist practices?

[San Lumen]

I do love how types like you don't even pretend to care about workers anymore.

Now to be fair, they're dirty parasitic government workers who leech off of honest people like bankers, doctors, and lawyers and plumbers... With their regulations and protections and insurances and licenses and inspections.

How dare they make sure everyone is following the law, having ethical practices, and know what they're doing? This is a free country, where everyone deserves to be exploited with zero recourse because that's how China and Russia are beating us economically.

Yeah how dare we make sure the Dust Bowl doesnt repeat itself or our food is safe to eat?

[Cannot think of a name]

The Petty Offensive: Return Fire.

President Donald Trump said Thursday he was denying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi a military plane for a trip to Afghanistan and other countries that was set to begin in the afternoon, a tit-for-tat retaliation that deepened the divide between the leaders and brought the government no closer to reopening.
The move, apparently in response to Pelosi's letter a day earlier suggesting the President reschedule his State of the Union address, made for high drama but little substance in the ongoing back-and-forth over border security.
As the partial government shutdown stretches nearly a month, the back-and-forth reflects a West Wing angling for the upper hand in a standoff with newly powerful Democrats.

[Seangoli]

I feel like this is turning into the McConnell Shutdown because Jesus Christ he keeps not allowing even a vote, and I'm pretty sure the House bills would pass if it went up to a vote.

I am fairly certain McConnel feels that there would be enough Republicans to pass a House approved budget bill through the Senate, which would be awful for optics. Its political at this point for him.

[San Lumen]

I feel like this is turning into the McConnell Shutdown because Jesus Christ he keeps not allowing even a vote, and I'm pretty sure the House bills would pass if it went up to a vote.

I am fairly certain McConnel feels that there would be enough Republicans to pass a House approved budget bill through the Senate, which would be awful for optics. Its political at this point for him.

In other words our base matters more than the majority of the country. At this point he ought to stab them in the back and do whats right for the country.

[Neutraligon]

The Petty Offensive: Return Fire.

President Donald Trump said Thursday he was denying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi a military plane for a trip to Afghanistan and other countries that was set to begin in the afternoon, a tit-for-tat retaliation that deepened the divide between the leaders and brought the government no closer to reopening.
The move, apparently in response to Pelosi's letter a day earlier suggesting the President reschedule his State of the Union address, made for high drama but little substance in the ongoing back-and-forth over border security.
As the partial government shutdown stretches nearly a month, the back-and-forth reflects a West Wing angling for the upper hand in a standoff with newly powerful Democrats.

Pelosi at least has some small basis for what she says, namely that most of the US government is going to be together in 1 space...and the people who normally provide protection are currently not being paid (I think). Trump meanwhile has not reason to do what he did besides trying to bite back at Pelosi.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

At this point, I don't want the shutdown to be lifted out of curiosity of what happens when everything starts falling apart...

[Valrifell]

At this point, I don't want the shutdown to be lifted out of curiosity of what happens when everything starts falling apart...

Macabre, but we must do it for science.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

At this point, I don't want the shutdown to be lifted out of curiosity of what happens when everything starts falling apart...

Macabre, but we must do it for science.

The hardest choices requires the strongest wills...

[West Leas Oros 2]

At this point, I don't want the shutdown to be lifted out of curiosity of what happens when everything starts falling apart...

We’ve gone too far in to turn back now!

[Arcturus Novus]

The Petty Offensive: Return Fire.

Pelosi at least has some small basis for what she says, namely that most of the US government is going to be together in 1 space...and the people who normally provide protection are currently not being paid (I think). Trump meanwhile has not reason to do what he did besides trying to bite back at Pelosi.

He's a petulant child. That's just his prerogative.
Also, it's weird that spellcheck doesn't recognize Pelosi's name. She's a pretty prominent individual.

[Ism]

At this point, I don't want the shutdown to be lifted out of curiosity of what happens when everything starts falling apart...

Shutdown: Day 732

"I had to kill Johnny today, he started having doubts, 'It's not worth this, it's just a fucking wall!' he said. We can't have that kind of talk, we've come too far, given too much, and morale is already so low. People like Johnny just don't understand, try to stop us from doing what has to be done. If we give in on this issue, where does it end? But maybe, maybe Johnny was right, maybe we should just concede, I don't recognize this city anymore, don't recognize it's people, hell, I don't even recognize myself. No! No, I can't let Johnny win, I can't let them win, that's what's important. Oh, is that time? I have to go, there's only 12 of us left in the Senate after that last shootout, and we need every vote we can get."