US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Thermodolia]

No I’m thinking that you lot should quit your fucking pissing contest with him. You know the left is far from innocent in this.

If the wall was such a big priority for him why did he not get funding when he had control of both houses? Why did he wait until the Democrats took the house. This is purely a political ploy by him to substantiate his charge that the Democrats are an obstacle to doing anything.

Alas he's gone for 'hey, the Democrats are blocking this thing that the majority of people don't want', even Rasmussen has him down in the low 40's now..

Apparently Trump is about to break according to the Wall Street Journal. So...

Also remember that the shutdown happened when fucking republicans had control of both chambers

[Cannot think of a name]

Here's where I'm confused and I'm having a little bit of trouble working it out, I've tried timelines and such and the answer to my specific point where I'm broken, my google fu is failing me.

The senate, prior to the shutdown, had passed a compromise bill that included $1.7 billion for updating our border security, just not a wall. It also funded the gubment until February or something like that. Trump said that was okay, Coulter called him a pussy, he said he wasn't into it anymore, so the house passed a spending bill with the wall money. Okay, house and senate bills have to reconcile, the Senate did not have the votes for a wall funding bill, the house for one without it.

What I thought I heard, and this is where I get lost, is one of the first things that Pelosi did was put the Senate's compromise up and pass it. What I think that means is that there is a spending bill that has now passed both chambers and is up to Trump to veto. But I haven't seen mention of Trump vetoing anything, just that he will if it doesn't have the wall money in it. Is there a procedural hurdle that the Senate bill that the House passed when they went into session, can there be a push to force that bill to the desk and then back for an over-ride vote? Or does someone have better google fu and can link me to a good time line and I can look this up myself?

[Galloism]

Here's where I'm confused and I'm having a little bit of trouble working it out, I've tried timelines and such and the answer to my specific point where I'm broken, my google fu is failing me.

The senate, prior to the shutdown, had passed a compromise bill that included $1.7 billion for updating our border security, just not a wall. It also funded the gubment until February or something like that. Trump said that was okay, Coulter called him a pussy, he said he wasn't into it anymore, so the house passed a spending bill with the wall money. Okay, house and senate bills have to reconcile, the Senate did not have the votes for a wall funding bill, the house for one without it.

What I thought I heard, and this is where I get lost, is one of the first things that Pelosi did was put the Senate's compromise up and pass it. What I think that means is that there is a spending bill that has now passed both chambers and is up to Trump to veto. But I haven't seen mention of Trump vetoing anything, just that he will if it doesn't have the wall money in it. Is there a procedural hurdle that the Senate bill that the House passed when they went into session, can there be a push to force that bill to the desk and then back for an over-ride vote? Or does someone have better google fu and can link me to a good time line and I can look this up myself?

There's a strong historical trend not to submit bills to the president he's promised to veto unless they have a veto-proof majority before they even have the original vote. It puts everyone on record on something that's going to get kicked back anyway.

[Cannot think of a name]

Here's where I'm confused and I'm having a little bit of trouble working it out, I've tried timelines and such and the answer to my specific point where I'm broken, my google fu is failing me.

The senate, prior to the shutdown, had passed a compromise bill that included $1.7 billion for updating our border security, just not a wall. It also funded the gubment until February or something like that. Trump said that was okay, Coulter called him a pussy, he said he wasn't into it anymore, so the house passed a spending bill with the wall money. Okay, house and senate bills have to reconcile, the Senate did not have the votes for a wall funding bill, the house for one without it.

What I thought I heard, and this is where I get lost, is one of the first things that Pelosi did was put the Senate's compromise up and pass it. What I think that means is that there is a spending bill that has now passed both chambers and is up to Trump to veto. But I haven't seen mention of Trump vetoing anything, just that he will if it doesn't have the wall money in it. Is there a procedural hurdle that the Senate bill that the House passed when they went into session, can there be a push to force that bill to the desk and then back for an over-ride vote? Or does someone have better google fu and can link me to a good time line and I can look this up myself?

There's a strong historical trend not to submit bills to the president he's promised to veto unless they have a veto-proof majority before they even have the original vote. It puts everyone on record on something that's going to get kicked back anyway.

I would think that there would be some value and making him put his name down on this bullshit. But I guess not.

[Galloism]

There's a strong historical trend not to submit bills to the president he's promised to veto unless they have a veto-proof majority before they even have the original vote. It puts everyone on record on something that's going to get kicked back anyway.

I would think that there would be some value and making him put his name down on this bullshit. But I guess not.

I mean, I'm not aware enough to know the political machinations, but I do know it's very rare to send things to the president he's promised to veto in public.

[Wallenburg]

Yeah, plenty. Have you been reading the thread or have you just been thinking of more sickly and lame ways to whine about how Trump should get the wall?

No I’m thinking that you lot should quit your fucking pissing contest with him. You know the left is far from innocent in this.

The left isn't the man-child who decided to waste hundreds of billions of dollars in a government shutdown for a bill that a majority of the Senate didn't support that would pay for a little bit of steel pipe fencing.

[Foryis]

Yeah, plenty. Have you been reading the thread or have you just been thinking of more sickly and lame ways to whine about how Trump should get the wall?

No I’m thinking that you lot should quit your fucking pissing contest with him. You know the left is far from innocent in this.

Trump did say Mexico was going to pay for the wall. I'm still waiting for this to occur.

[Foryis]

No I’m thinking that you lot should quit your fucking pissing contest with him. You know the left is far from innocent in this.

The left isn't the man-child who decided to waste hundreds of billions of dollars in a government shutdown for a bill that a majority of the Senate didn't support that would pay for a little bit of steel pipe fencing.

I just don't understand why he doesn't complete the fence from 2006.

[Vassenor]

The left isn't the man-child who decided to waste hundreds of billions of dollars in a government shutdown for a bill that a majority of the Senate didn't support that would pay for a little bit of steel pipe fencing.

I just don't understand why he doesn't complete the fence from 2006.

Because that's not big and imposing enough to compensate for his tiny hands.

[Foryis]

Here's where I'm confused and I'm having a little bit of trouble working it out, I've tried timelines and such and the answer to my specific point where I'm broken, my google fu is failing me.

The senate, prior to the shutdown, had passed a compromise bill that included $1.7 billion for updating our border security, just not a wall. It also funded the gubment until February or something like that. Trump said that was okay, Coulter called him a pussy, he said he wasn't into it anymore, so the house passed a spending bill with the wall money. Okay, house and senate bills have to reconcile, the Senate did not have the votes for a wall funding bill, the house for one without it.

What I thought I heard, and this is where I get lost, is one of the first things that Pelosi did was put the Senate's compromise up and pass it. What I think that means is that there is a spending bill that has now passed both chambers and is up to Trump to veto. But I haven't seen mention of Trump vetoing anything, just that he will if it doesn't have the wall money in it. Is there a procedural hurdle that the Senate bill that the House passed when they went into session, can there be a push to force that bill to the desk and then back for an over-ride vote? Or does someone have better google fu and can link me to a good time line and I can look this up myself?

Is this what you're talking about: https://www.factcheck.org/2019/01/democ ... ity-funds/

[Gravlen]

A smart politician would either refuse to receive payment while government workers aren't getting paid, or donate their paychecks if they are able, in sympathy with the people suffering from the shutdown.

I don't know of any who have done so.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/01/20/sena ... -shutdown/

Apparently quite a few are on both sides.

Thanks, that was educational. They get an ounce of respect more from me - some more than others.

[Thermodolia]

The left isn't the man-child who decided to waste hundreds of billions of dollars in a government shutdown for a bill that a majority of the Senate didn't support that would pay for a little bit of steel pipe fencing.

I just don't understand why he doesn't complete the fence from 2006.

Because large portions of that fence have been blocked by the courts

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I just don't understand why he doesn't complete the fence from 2006.

Because large portions of that fence have been blocked by the courts

Has Trump considered communism yet?

I heard it's excellent for getting rid of those pesky private properties!

(And yes, it is a joke)

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

No I’m thinking that you lot should quit your fucking pissing contest with him. You know the left is far from innocent in this.

The left isn't the man-child who decided to waste hundreds of billions of dollars in a government shutdown for a bill that a majority of the Senate didn't support that would pay for a little bit of steel pipe fencing.

Indeed. Especially when there are many ways to break through the supposedly-invulnerable steel/concrete fence.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Because large portions of that fence have been blocked by the courts

Has Trump considered communism yet?

I heard it's excellent for getting rid of those pesky private properties!

(And yes, it is a joke)

Well, nationalization is an important part of state-controlled economy.

[Valrifell]

Here's where I'm confused and I'm having a little bit of trouble working it out, I've tried timelines and such and the answer to my specific point where I'm broken, my google fu is failing me.

The senate, prior to the shutdown, had passed a compromise bill that included $1.7 billion for updating our border security, just not a wall. It also funded the gubment until February or something like that. Trump said that was okay, Coulter called him a pussy, he said he wasn't into it anymore, so the house passed a spending bill with the wall money. Okay, house and senate bills have to reconcile, the Senate did not have the votes for a wall funding bill, the house for one without it.

What I thought I heard, and this is where I get lost, is one of the first things that Pelosi did was put the Senate's compromise up and pass it. What I think that means is that there is a spending bill that has now passed both chambers and is up to Trump to veto. But I haven't seen mention of Trump vetoing anything, just that he will if it doesn't have the wall money in it. Is there a procedural hurdle that the Senate bill that the House passed when they went into session, can there be a push to force that bill to the desk and then back for an over-ride vote? Or does someone have better google fu and can link me to a good time line and I can look this up myself?

All funding has to start in the House, that bill never got to vote in the Senate because McConnell blocked it.

[Ifreann]

Here's where I'm confused and I'm having a little bit of trouble working it out, I've tried timelines and such and the answer to my specific point where I'm broken, my google fu is failing me.

The senate, prior to the shutdown, had passed a compromise bill that included $1.7 billion for updating our border security, just not a wall. It also funded the gubment until February or something like that. Trump said that was okay, Coulter called him a pussy, he said he wasn't into it anymore, so the house passed a spending bill with the wall money. Okay, house and senate bills have to reconcile, the Senate did not have the votes for a wall funding bill, the house for one without it.

What I thought I heard, and this is where I get lost, is one of the first things that Pelosi did was put the Senate's compromise up and pass it. What I think that means is that there is a spending bill that has now passed both chambers and is up to Trump to veto. But I haven't seen mention of Trump vetoing anything, just that he will if it doesn't have the wall money in it. Is there a procedural hurdle that the Senate bill that the House passed when they went into session, can there be a push to force that bill to the desk and then back for an over-ride vote? Or does someone have better google fu and can link me to a good time line and I can look this up myself?

I don't know the finer ins and outs of procedure, but I've heard that Mitch McConnell is refusing to allow a vote on a bill to reopen the government because Trump wouldn't sign off on it...even though the Senate previously passed it unanimously.

[Tobleste]

Do you?

Yeah, plenty. Have you been reading the thread or have you just been thinking of more sickly and lame ways to whine about how Trump should get the wall?

I'm guessing the later.

[San Lumen]

Here's where I'm confused and I'm having a little bit of trouble working it out, I've tried timelines and such and the answer to my specific point where I'm broken, my google fu is failing me.

The senate, prior to the shutdown, had passed a compromise bill that included $1.7 billion for updating our border security, just not a wall. It also funded the gubment until February or something like that. Trump said that was okay, Coulter called him a pussy, he said he wasn't into it anymore, so the house passed a spending bill with the wall money. Okay, house and senate bills have to reconcile, the Senate did not have the votes for a wall funding bill, the house for one without it.

What I thought I heard, and this is where I get lost, is one of the first things that Pelosi did was put the Senate's compromise up and pass it. What I think that means is that there is a spending bill that has now passed both chambers and is up to Trump to veto. But I haven't seen mention of Trump vetoing anything, just that he will if it doesn't have the wall money in it. Is there a procedural hurdle that the Senate bill that the House passed when they went into session, can there be a push to force that bill to the desk and then back for an over-ride vote? Or does someone have better google fu and can link me to a good time line and I can look this up myself?

I don't know the finer ins and outs of procedure, but I've heard that Mitch McConnell is refusing to allow a vote on a bill to reopen the government because Trump wouldn't sign off on it...even though the Senate previously passed it unanimously.

Hes too afraid of the party;s base which at this point he ought to tell to shove it and reopen the government

[Ifreann]

I don't know the finer ins and outs of procedure, but I've heard that Mitch McConnell is refusing to allow a vote on a bill to reopen the government because Trump wouldn't sign off on it...even though the Senate previously passed it unanimously.

Hes too afraid of the party;s base which at this point he ought to tell to shove it and reopen the government

Apparently he's up for re-election in 2020, so yeah, it's entirely possible that he's trying to keep on Trump's good side.

[San Lumen]

Hes too afraid of the party;s base which at this point he ought to tell to shove it and reopen the government

Apparently he's up for re-election in 2020, so yeah, it's entirely possible that he's trying to keep on Trump's good side.

at the expense of the country.

[Hakons]

There's a strong historical trend not to submit bills to the president he's promised to veto unless they have a veto-proof majority before they even have the original vote. It puts everyone on record on something that's going to get kicked back anyway.

I would think that there would be some value and making him put his name down on this bullshit. But I guess not.

Senate Republicans wouldn't pass the bill and send it to him. The president has pretty much made a border wall a policy goal of the party. I'm not sure why this suddenly became a thing now that he's lost hist majority in the House. One also has to wonder why the border wall is so important that the government has to be shut down for a while. Republicans grumble about, but ultimately sign off on, planned parenthood funding and keep the government going happily along, and from a Catholic perspective those are bad priorities.

[Seangoli]

No I’m thinking that you lot should quit your fucking pissing contest with him. You know the left is far from innocent in this.

The left isn't the man-child who decided to waste hundreds of billions of dollars in a government shutdown for a bill that a majority of the Senate didn't support that would pay for a little bit of steel pipe fencing.

Apparently the administration didn't even put a proper proposal together to submit to the appropriations committee. He didn't provide any plans, specifics, how the money was going to be spent and on what exactly, he didn't analyze alternatives amd their effectiveness (which is a common part of all proposals).


He pretty much said "Gimme $5.7 billion." With no supporting documentation.


Of fucking course that's getting shot down. For pity's sake, you don't just ask for 6 billion for a vague plan.

[Thermodolia]

The left isn't the man-child who decided to waste hundreds of billions of dollars in a government shutdown for a bill that a majority of the Senate didn't support that would pay for a little bit of steel pipe fencing.

Apparently the administration didn't even put a proper proposal together to submit to the appropriations committee. He didn't provide any plans, specifics, how the money was going to be spent and on what exactly, he didn't analyze alternatives amd their effectiveness (which is a common part of all proposals).


He pretty much said "Gimme $5.7 billion." With no supporting documentation.


Of fucking course that's getting shot down. For pity's sake, you don't just ask for 6 billion for a vague plan.

Well ya do if you’re planning on mass corruption and making sure that there’s hardly any trail when certain contractors get overpaid

[Ifreann]

I would think that there would be some value and making him put his name down on this bullshit. But I guess not.

Senate Republicans wouldn't pass the bill and send it to him.

Mitch McConnell won't allow a vote on the bill, even though the Senate previously passed it unanimously. If Addison Mitchell would dare upset the President, the government would be funded right now.

The president has pretty much made a border wall a policy goal of the party. I'm not sure why this suddenly became a thing now that he's lost hist majority in the House. One also has to wonder why the border wall is so important that the government has to be shut down for a while. Republicans grumble about, but ultimately sign off on, planned parenthood funding and keep the government going happily along, and from a Catholic perspective those are bad priorities.

I can see why Trump suddenly got very serious about the wall when he had spent the two years previous not giving much of a fuck. The election results were in and he knew Democrats were going to take the House in January, so he tried to get his wall funding before then. But Republicans don't actually want his stupid fucking wall any more than Democrats do.