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Chernoslavia wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:Ones who are being asked to work now without pay. Ones who are temporarily laid off, not as clear. Government contractors whose contracts are put on hold and therefore so are their employees, not so much. The people who needed the services provided who cannot avail themselves of services are effected.

We've been over this. It's a googleable thing, you weren't looking for the answer. You were trying to suggest that since we haven't gathered behind a circle of buses at an oil well while Humungus asks us to 'just walk away', the shutdown has no affect. It'd be disingenuous to even call that an argument. Take your hacky played out nonsense to the Yahoo comments section.

They fucking get back payments!

Chernoslavia wrote:You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis.

Chernoslavia wrote: And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.

Chernoslavia wrote:You want to fix this mess?

Chernoslavia wrote: How about getting your fucking side to just hand over the wall, and stop fucking pretending that 7 Billion is such a big fucking waste of money, when you lot have no problem spending over ten times that fucking amount for illegals. Oh but no! That would mean giving the big evil orange man what he wants

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
Not to mention the lawsuits.

"Governor, why'd you call in the National Guard on federal workers?"

"I AIN'T NEVEH SCARED"

*Nat'l gaurd deploys Ma-Duece.*

The Rich Port wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
See, the issue isn't necessarily the cost (although the 7 billion figure is still laughably and unrealistically optimistic), the issue lies with where the cost is going and what we could've spent it on.

Either we spend it on a wall that, as countlessly many have pointed out, would be ineffective at best and hilariously useless at worst, or we spend on stuff that we can get a return on. Like roads or something.

To be fair, what's more libertarian than encouraging a megalomaniac wannabe-autocrat into forcing a nation of 300 million people into funding a frankly idiotic building project purely to spite the very concept of government?

Telconi wrote:
I do find it funny how quickly "fiscal responsibility" becomes a virtue when the government wants to spend money on policies folks disagree with, and how quickly that virtue evaporates when the tables are turned.

Haha yeah it's really funny to the almost 3 million people who's vote didn't count in the election because of the broken Electoral College system.

When was the last time a Republican candidate won the popular vote? 12 years ago?

HAHA. IT'S SO FUNNY WHEN THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS IN THE COUNTRY DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT. HAHA.

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
Not to mention the lawsuits.

"Governor, why'd you call in the National Guard on federal workers?"

"I AIN'T NEVEH SCARED"

*Nat'l gaurd deploys Ma-Duece.*

New haven america wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
To be fair, what's more libertarian than encouraging a megalomaniac wannabe-autocrat into forcing a nation of 300 million people into funding a frankly idiotic building project purely to spite the very concept of government?



Haha yeah it's really funny to the almost 3 million people who's vote didn't count in the election because of the broken Electoral College system.

When was the last time a Republican candidate won the popular vote? 12 years ago?

HAHA. IT'S SO FUNNY WHEN THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS IN THE COUNTRY DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT. HAHA.

But Rich, don't you see, this system keeps us from having to deal with the unthinkable: Majority Rule, or also known as Tyranny by the Majority.

The Rich Port wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
See, the issue isn't necessarily the cost (although the 7 billion figure is still laughably and unrealistically optimistic), the issue lies with where the cost is going and what we could've spent it on.

Either we spend it on a wall that, as countlessly many have pointed out, would be ineffective at best and hilariously useless at worst, or we spend on stuff that we can get a return on. Like roads or something.

To be fair, what's more libertarian than encouraging a megalomaniac wannabe-autocrat into forcing a nation of 300 million people into funding a frankly idiotic building project purely to spite the very concept of government?

Telconi wrote:
I do find it funny how quickly "fiscal responsibility" becomes a virtue when the government wants to spend money on policies folks disagree with, and how quickly that virtue evaporates when the tables are turned.

Haha yeah it's really funny to the almost 3 million people who's vote didn't count in the election because of the broken Electoral College system.

When was the last time a Republican candidate won the popular vote? 12 years ago?

HAHA. IT'S SO FUNNY WHEN THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS IN THE COUNTRY DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT. HAHA.

The Rich Port wrote:

New haven america wrote:But Rich, don't you see, this system keeps us from having to deal with the unthinkable: Majority Rule, or also known as Tyranny by the Majority.

I would much rather have that than fucking Tyranny By The Flyover States.

New haven america wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
I would much rather have that than fucking Tyranny By The Flyover States.

Which is why they believe we have the EC, to keep them from being screwed over by your metropolitan ideas like Religious Equality, or Women's Rights, or the evil that is UHC.

In reality it was made for in order to keep the slave states happy and keep the common man from making a choice the government doesn't agree with, cause you know, apparently being a republic means American can't be a democracy (Yes, these are actually things Pro-ECers have told me).

New haven america wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
I would much rather have that than fucking Tyranny By The Flyover States.

Which is why they believe we have the EC, to keep them from being screwed over by your metropolitan ideas like Religious Equality, or Women's Rights, or the evil that is UHC.

In reality it was made for in order to keep the slave states happy and keep the common man from making a choice the government doesn't agree with, cause you know, apparently being a republic means American can't be a democracy (Yes, these are actually things Pro-ECers have told me).

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

New haven america wrote:Which is why they believe we have the EC, to keep them from being screwed over by your metropolitan ideas like Religious Equality, or Women's Rights, or the evil that is UHC.

In reality it was made for in order to keep the slave states happy and keep the common man from making a choice the government doesn't agree with, cause you know, apparently being a republic means American can't be a democracy (Yes, these are actually things Pro-ECers have told me).

Sure, abolishing the Electoral College would certainly be a boon for democracy and the Democrats...

But how funny of 'em to never put Proportional Representation on the table as well!

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

New haven america wrote:Which is why they believe we have the EC, to keep them from being screwed over by your metropolitan ideas like Religious Equality, or Women's Rights, or the evil that is UHC.

In reality it was made for in order to keep the slave states happy and keep the common man from making a choice the government doesn't agree with, cause you know, apparently being a republic means American can't be a democracy (Yes, these are actually things Pro-ECers have told me).

Sure, abolishing the Electoral College would certainly be a boon for democracy and the Democrats...

But how funny of 'em to never put Proportional Representation on the table as well!

Telconi wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
To be fair, what's more libertarian than encouraging a megalomaniac wannabe-autocrat into forcing a nation of 300 million people into funding a frankly idiotic building project purely to spite the very concept of government?



Haha yeah it's really funny to the almost 3 million people who's vote didn't count in the election because of the broken Electoral College system.

When was the last time a Republican candidate won the popular vote? 12 years ago?

HAHA. IT'S SO FUNNY WHEN THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS IN THE COUNTRY DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT. HAHA.

Who pissed in your coffee this morning?

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

New haven america wrote:Which is why they believe we have the EC, to keep them from being screwed over by your metropolitan ideas like Religious Equality, or Women's Rights, or the evil that is UHC.

In reality it was made for in order to keep the slave states happy and keep the common man from making a choice the government doesn't agree with, cause you know, apparently being a republic means American can't be a democracy (Yes, these are actually things Pro-ECers have told me).

Sure, abolishing the Electoral College would certainly be a boon for democracy and the Democrats...

But how funny of 'em to never put Proportional Representation on the table as well!

Telconi wrote:

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Sure, abolishing the Electoral College would certainly be a boon for democracy and the Democrats...

But how funny of 'em to never put Proportional Representation on the table as well!

The EC is bad because it has caused a shift towards Republicans, not because it's unfair.

New haven america wrote:

Telconi wrote:
The EC is bad because it has caused a shift towards Republicans, not because it's unfair.

If you think that's why I dislike the EC, then you really haven't been paying attention these past, oh... 3 or so years.

Chernoslavia wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:Ones who are being asked to work now without pay. Ones who are temporarily laid off, not as clear. Government contractors whose contracts are put on hold and therefore so are their employees, not so much. The people who needed the services provided who cannot avail themselves of services are effected.

We've been over this. It's a googleable thing, you weren't looking for the answer. You were trying to suggest that since we haven't gathered behind a circle of buses at an oil well while Humungus asks us to 'just walk away', the shutdown has no affect. It'd be disingenuous to even call that an argument. Take your hacky played out nonsense to the Yahoo comments section.

You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis.

New haven america wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
I would much rather have that than fucking Tyranny By The Flyover States.

Which is why they believe we have the EC, to keep them from being screwed over by your metropolitan ideas like Religious Equality, or Women's Rights, or the evil that is UHC.

In reality it was made for in order to keep the slave states happy and keep the common man from making a choice the government doesn't agree with, cause you know, apparently being a republic means American can't be a democracy (Yes, these are actually things Pro-ECers have told me).

New haven america wrote:

Telconi wrote:
The EC is bad because it has caused a shift towards Republicans, not because it's unfair.

If you think that's why I dislike the EC, then you really haven't been paying attention these past, oh... 3 or so years.

Thermodolia wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
They fucking get back payments!

No they don’t. They are not legally entitled to back pay.

You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis. And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.

It is a major crisis. Any day all 15,000 ATC workers could go on strike crippling the economy. The FDA isn’t inspecting any food anymore so I hope you like salmonella. You probably aren’t going to get your tax refund either. Oh and the coast guard is just out their without pay.

But sure this isn’t a crisis.

You want to fix this mess? How about getting your fucking side to just hand over the wall, and stop fucking pretending that 7 Billion is such a big fucking waste of money,

And what tell Trump that if he pitches a fit he gets his way? Ya no fuck that.

when you lot have no problem spending over ten times that fucking amount for illegals. Oh but no! That would mean giving the big evil orange man what he wants

You spend way too much time drinking the kool aid

Chernoslavia wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:No they don’t. They are not legally entitled to back pay.


It is a major crisis. Any day all 15,000 ATC workers could go on strike crippling the economy. The FDA isn’t inspecting any food anymore so I hope you like salmonella. You probably aren’t going to get your tax refund either. Oh and the coast guard is just out their without pay.

But sure this isn’t a crisis.


And what tell Trump that if he pitches a fit he gets his way? Ya no fuck that.


You spend way too much time drinking the kool aid

1. And the FDA has immediately resumed inspections afterwards...just without pay. Also there’s no shortage of produce going on.

3. Dude at this point both sides are being whiney bitches.

Chernoslavia wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:No they don’t. They are not legally entitled to back pay.


It is a major crisis. Any day all 15,000 ATC workers could go on strike crippling the economy. The FDA isn’t inspecting any food anymore so I hope you like salmonella. You probably aren’t going to get your tax refund either. Oh and the coast guard is just out their without pay.

But sure this isn’t a crisis.


And what tell Trump that if he pitches a fit he gets his way? Ya no fuck that.


You spend way too much time drinking the kool aid

1. And the FDA has immediately resumed inspections afterwards...just without pay. Also there’s no shortage of produce going on.

2. Yes they do, they always have and always will.

3. Dude at this point both sides are being whiney bitches.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
1. And the FDA has immediately resumed inspections afterwards...just without pay. Also there’s no shortage of produce going on.

3. Dude at this point both sides are being whiney bitches.

And they should work without pay beacuse?

I don't see how the FDA not getting pay is a good thing.


No just the side that shut down the government because mommy congress said that the Super Wall man action figure was too expensive.

All Trump is doing is just throwing a tantrum at the toy store.

The Rich Port wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
1. And the FDA has immediately resumed inspections afterwards...just without pay. Also there’s no shortage of produce going on.

2. Yes they do, they always have and always will.

3. Dude at this point both sides are being whiney bitches.

Says the guy who wants the wall NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
Says the guy who wants the wall NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.

But rich, he really really wants the wall!!! All the cool kids at school have one.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
1. And the FDA has immediately resumed inspections afterwards...just without pay. Also there’s no shortage of produce going on.

3. Dude at this point both sides are being whiney bitches.

And they should work without pay beacuse?

I don't see how the FDA not getting pay is a good thing.


No just the side that shut down the government because mommy congress said that the Super Wall man action figure was too expensive.

All Trump is doing is just throwing a tantrum at the toy store.

Chernoslavia wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

And they should work without pay beacuse?

I don't see how the FDA not getting pay is a good thing.


No just the side that shut down the government because mommy congress said that the Super Wall man action figure was too expensive.

All Trump is doing is just throwing a tantrum at the toy store.

I think everyone should get paid for their labor. But the FDA is not going to seize food inspections because of the shut down and nor will farms stop producing food.

I’m getting fairly annoyed of people acting like the apocalypse just started or shit has hit the fan. I’m supposed to be the paranoid militia guy in NSG!

Yeah and the people suddenly giving a shit about government spending even when the wall will only affect less than 1 percent of our spending, when really it’s more about saying “no” to Trump.