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Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:49 am**

San Lumen wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:But President Trump also lives for spectacle and spotlights. He'll want a normal State of the Union. I don't think he can force one via EO, though, can he?

As far as I know there is no legal requirement it has to be direct address to Congress.

For 113 years it wasn't.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:57 am**

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Not till the end of the month when rent and mortgage payments come due, I imagine.

He won't like that.

I don't know, he has the option of doing it from the oval office, he can give the speech without having to put on pants...

But there wouldn't be an audience to clap for him, and that seems to throw him off.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:03 am**

The Tomerlands wrote:I bet this whole debacle will be Trump's downfall for 2020. Just imagine living though this event that will be in children's history books and remembering Trump's house of cards collapsing before him.

One would hope, but it's Trump. He's been in situations where his actions and lack of moral fiber should have killed his entire career and reputation. He's managed to survive, largely because the Trump base I always mention stands by him no matter what. Trump said it best - he could shoot someone in Manhattan and not lose support - he is viewed as infallible by so many individuals.

While this is harming Trump more than anything in the last, say, year or so, I'm not sure it will be his downfall. If it does turn out to be his downfall, then it would be quite ironic - after everything he has said, done, acted on improperly, everything he has fucked up, it would simply be too funny and enjoyable that this would be the downfall.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:16 am**

San Lumen wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:But President Trump also lives for spectacle and spotlights. He'll want a normal State of the Union. I don't think he can force one via EO, though, can he?

As far as I know there is no legal requirement it has to be direct address to Congress.

He cannot, as it would infringe on the powers of Congress far, far too much. He could give an informal State of the Union, but he cannot force his way into the Capitol building and force Congress to hear his SotU address without their consent.

Executive orders only apply to power that exist within the operation of a President's power. This has been applied liberally in the past, but it has always remained limited to justifiable means.

He does not, however, have the power to compel Congress to do anything. The reality is that in terms of governance, the President is no more powerful than the House or Senate as a body. The President is politically equal in weight to the bodies of Congress. He is not their leader, he os their equal and they his.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:16 am**

Major-Tom wrote:
The Tomerlands wrote:I bet this whole debacle will be Trump's downfall for 2020. Just imagine living though this event that will be in children's history books and remembering Trump's house of cards collapsing before him.

One would hope, but it's Trump. He's been in situations where his actions and lack of moral fiber should have killed his entire career and reputation. He's managed to survive, largely because the Trump base I always mention stands by him no matter what. Trump said it best - he could shoot someone in Manhattan and not lose support - he is viewed as infallible by so many individuals.

While this is harming Trump more than anything in the last, say, year or so, I'm not sure it will be his downfall. If it does turn out to be his downfall, then it would be quite ironic - after everything he has said, done, acted on improperly, everything he has fucked up, it would simply be too funny and enjoyable that this would be the downfall.

I truly do believe that statement is true. He could get on stage and say the Earth is flat, astronauts are actors, gravity isnt real and dinosaurs were made up and his base would take it as gospel

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:20 am**

Major-Tom wrote:
The Tomerlands wrote:I bet this whole debacle will be Trump's downfall for 2020. Just imagine living though this event that will be in children's history books and remembering Trump's house of cards collapsing before him.

One would hope, but it's Trump. He's been in situations where his actions and lack of moral fiber should have killed his entire career and reputation. He's managed to survive, largely because the Trump base I always mention stands by him no matter what. Trump said it best - he could shoot someone in Manhattan and not lose support - he is viewed as infallible by so many individuals.

While this is harming Trump more than anything in the last, say, year or so, I'm not sure it will be his downfall. If it does turn out to be his downfall, then it would be quite ironic - after everything he has said, done, acted on improperly, everything he has fucked up, it would simply be too funny and enjoyable that this would be the downfall.

It largely depends on hownthisnstunt gets resolved, and if he threatens to do it again next year. If the same shit happens next year, I can imagine people getting sick of this shit. If it doesn't, the impact of thebshutdown will feel like a distant memory to many.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:20 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:There was. The parties are required to form a joint 'power-sharing' government, due to the Good Friday Agreement, to prevent sectarianism.

But the DUP hate Sinn Fein wayyy more than the other way around and just fucking refuse because they're shit. Of course, "Northern Ireland has no government" isn't the biggest of issues, because it's still ultimately administered by Westminster (who have the nuclear option of 'direct rule' over Northern Ireland if needs be), and doesn't impact local government. So ultimately, shit still gets done, just at low levels only. Like how Belgium survived nearly two years without a government.

Well that and the First Secretary of NI doesn’t want to call another election until Brexit is finalized. I wonder why

Because the DUP is essentially May's lifeline?

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:37 am**

Any sign of it ending yet?

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:39 am**

Seangoli wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
One would hope, but it's Trump. He's been in situations where his actions and lack of moral fiber should have killed his entire career and reputation. He's managed to survive, largely because the Trump base I always mention stands by him no matter what. Trump said it best - he could shoot someone in Manhattan and not lose support - he is viewed as infallible by so many individuals.

While this is harming Trump more than anything in the last, say, year or so, I'm not sure it will be his downfall. If it does turn out to be his downfall, then it would be quite ironic - after everything he has said, done, acted on improperly, everything he has fucked up, it would simply be too funny and enjoyable that this would be the downfall.

It largely depends on hownthisnstunt gets resolved, and if he threatens to do it again next year. If the same shit happens next year, I can imagine people getting sick of this shit. If it doesn't, the impact of thebshutdown will feel like a distant memory to many.

Unless, you know... It never ends.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:43 am**

The Rich Port wrote:
Seangoli wrote:

It largely depends on hownthisnstunt gets resolved, and if he threatens to do it again next year. If the same shit happens next year, I can imagine people getting sick of this shit. If it doesn't, the impact of thebshutdown will feel like a distant memory to many.

Unless, you know... It never ends.

This is reality now.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:54 am**

The Rich Port wrote:
Seangoli wrote:

It largely depends on hownthisnstunt gets resolved, and if he threatens to do it again next year. If the same shit happens next year, I can imagine people getting sick of this shit. If it doesn't, the impact of thebshutdown will feel like a distant memory to many.

Unless, you know... It never ends.

Eventually its going to end up politically harming one of the two parties in Congress enough to get them to faulter. They can force through a budget with enough votes. The Senate is trickier than the House, but not undoable.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:56 am**

Seangoli wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Unless, you know... It never ends.

Eventually its going to end up politically harming one of the two parties in Congress enough to get them to faulter. They can force through a budget with enough votes. The Senate is trickier than the House, but not undoable.

If you want I can buy one of those religious candles in the bodega and pray to the Virgin Mary. :lol:

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:17 pm**

It’s almost been a month since the government shut down. Let that sink in.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:19 pm**

Dogmeat wrote:
Shofercia wrote:I'm saying it'll last 27 days. Any takers?

Seems like a good place to put the over/under.

One more day and then end it. That'll be the new record!

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:19 pm**

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:It’s almost been a month since the government shut down. Let that sink in.

On Day 30 someone owes me money.

Who is it, I don't remember. :lol:

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:20 pm**

Freedomstaki wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well that and the First Secretary of NI doesn’t want to call another election until Brexit is finalized. I wonder why

Because the DUP is essentially May's lifeline?

NI elections not UK

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:22 pm**

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:It’s almost been a month since the government shut down. Let that sink in.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:26 pm**

Shofercia wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Seems like a good place to put the over/under.

One more day and then end it. That'll be the new record!

You kidding? We're making America Bankrupt Again.

We're going the fucking distance on this stupid shit, baby.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:38 pm**

The Rich Port wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
One more day and then end it. That'll be the new record!

You kidding? We're making America Bankrupt Again.

We're going the fucking distance on this stupid shit, baby.

All I want for Christmas is a revolution!

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:47 pm**

Thermodolia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
You kidding? We're making America Bankrupt Again.

We're going the fucking distance on this stupid shit, baby.

All I want for Christmas is a revolution!

Unless we get to do it through Call of Duty I don't know who is going to actually fight it.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:24 pm**

So who are the ones suffering from this government shutdown again?

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:25 pm**

Chernoslavia wrote:So who are the ones suffering from this government shutdown again?

Us, mostly, because for whatever reason we choose to engage with Trump supporters on NSG on a daily basis.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:26 pm**

Looks like the Coast Guard gets to be the part of the armed forces that doesn’t get paid.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:27 pm**

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Looks like the Coast Guard gets to be the part of the armed forces that doesn’t get paid.

I hope none of them joined to manhandle Mexicans cuz boy are they gonna be disappointed they won't get paid for it. :lol:

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:32 pm**

The Rich Port wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:So who are the ones suffering from this government shutdown again?

Us, mostly, because for whatever reason we choose to engage with Trump supporters on NSG on a daily basis.

Who’s us?

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