US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Ifreann]

We have already passed it.

But since you ask, Northern Ireland has not had a government at all for the past 730 days...

How?

By the people elected not being able to form a government.

[San Lumen]

How?

By the people elected not being able to form a government.

and there has not been an election?

[Imperializt Russia]

By the people elected not being able to form a government.

and there has not been an election?

There was. The parties are required to form a joint 'power-sharing' government, due to the Good Friday Agreement, to prevent sectarianism.

But the DUP hate Sinn Fein wayyy more than the other way around and just fucking refuse because they're shit. Of course, "Northern Ireland has no government" isn't the biggest of issues, because it's still ultimately administered by Westminster (who have the nuclear option of 'direct rule' over Northern Ireland if needs be), and doesn't impact local government. So ultimately, shit still gets done, just at low levels only. Like how Belgium survived nearly two years without a government.

[Thermodolia]

and there has not been an election?

There was. The parties are required to form a joint 'power-sharing' government, due to the Good Friday Agreement, to prevent sectarianism.

But the DUP hate Sinn Fein wayyy more than the other way around and just fucking refuse because they're shit. Of course, "Northern Ireland has no government" isn't the biggest of issues, because it's still ultimately administered by Westminster (who have the nuclear option of 'direct rule' over Northern Ireland if needs be), and doesn't impact local government. So ultimately, shit still gets done, just at low levels only. Like how Belgium survived nearly two years without a government.

Well that and the First Secretary of NI doesn’t want to call another election until Brexit is finalized. I wonder why

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Because there'd be no one in the IRS to give it to them.

Well that makes sense. Its still immoral to make them work without pay. It might also be illegal to do so and the union is likely going to sue.

It's not really illegal.

You can't get paid by the government if there are no resources from which to allocate the money to pay you.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well that makes sense. Its still immoral to make them work without pay. It might also be illegal to do so and the union is likely going to sue.

It's not really illegal.

You can't get paid by the government if there are no resources from which to allocate the money to pay you.

Therefore you are working without pay, completely indefinitely. And while it is common practice that back pay is applied, it's not required.

A month of pay could go unpaid. Maybe the paychecks for pre-shutdown that were already due could get "lost" in the system when government comes back online. If it does.

Personally, I just find it completely absurd that a partial government shutdown leads an agreed pay freeze to sunset and therefore accidentally go into effect??? wtf is that, just actually cancel the fucking pay rise lol.

[Galloism]

The earned income credit, which is a refundable credit (also known as welfare) provided 63 billion dollars to the working poor in 2018. This is actually lower than previous years, as the economy is improving it's lifting people out of poverty and reducing the number and amount of EIC awarded. It was 67 billion dollars in 2015 handed out to the working poor by the IRS.

Sources:

https://www.eitc.irs.gov/eitc-central/s ... -with-eitc

http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and- ... ilies.aspx

And that doesn't even include the other welfare program they also administer - the additional child tax credit. I couldn't find a good number for how many people get that. It's also probably in the tens of billions.

why wouldn't they get the credit if no one in the IRS showed up to work?

Because the IRS can't issue refunds without employees to review and process them, and these credits are not delivered in pay, but only as part of tax refunds.

These people are being asked to show up to work without pay because without them the IRS cannot issue refunds, and those tax credits are delivered as part of said refunds.

[Xmara]

Are we seriously reaching the 4th consecutive week now?

That’s it. This shutdown will never end.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Are we seriously reaching the 4th consecutive week now?

That’s it. This shutdown will never end.

Does that mean we can start a revolution now?

[The Tomerlands]

I bet this whole debacle will be Trump's downfall for 2020. Just imagine living though this event that will be in children's history books and remembering Trump's house of cards collapsing before him.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Have any of the unpaid workers lost their homes yet?

[Cannot think of a name]

The Petty Offensive has begun.

While Pelosi's letter is framed as a request to find a new date, the decision of when to host the President is very much up to the speaker of the House. The House and the Senate have to pass resolutions to actually green light the State of the Union. Neither have done so yet and Pelosi controls whether the House passes one at all.
Speaking with reporters, Pelosi argued the security issues are "completely out of my hands" and suggested Trump "can make it from the Oval Office if he wants."

[Thermodolia]

Have any of the unpaid workers lost their homes yet?

Not that I know of

[Ifreann]

Have any of the unpaid workers lost their homes yet?

Not till the end of the month when rent and mortgage payments come due, I imagine.

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The Petty Offensive has begun.

While Pelosi's letter is framed as a request to find a new date, the decision of when to host the President is very much up to the speaker of the House. The House and the Senate have to pass resolutions to actually green light the State of the Union. Neither have done so yet and Pelosi controls whether the House passes one at all.
Speaking with reporters, Pelosi argued the security issues are "completely out of my hands" and suggested Trump "can make it from the Oval Office if he wants."

He won't like that.

[Arcturus Novus]

The Petty Offensive has begun.

While Pelosi's letter is framed as a request to find a new date, the decision of when to host the President is very much up to the speaker of the House. The House and the Senate have to pass resolutions to actually green light the State of the Union. Neither have done so yet and Pelosi controls whether the House passes one at all.
Speaking with reporters, Pelosi argued the security issues are "completely out of my hands" and suggested Trump "can make it from the Oval Office if he wants."

The ride never ends.

[Cannot think of a name]

Have any of the unpaid workers lost their homes yet?

Not till the end of the month when rent and mortgage payments come due, I imagine.

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The Petty Offensive has begun.

He won't like that.

I don't know, he has the option of doing it from the oval office, he can give the speech without having to put on pants...

[Juristonia]

Stay tuned for the first State of the Union delivered entirely in a poorly spelled tweet storm.

[Arcturus Novus]

Not till the end of the month when rent and mortgage payments come due, I imagine.

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He won't like that.

I don't know, he has the option of doing it from the oval office, he can give the speech without having to put on pants...

But President Trump also lives for spectacle and spotlights. He'll want a normal State of the Union. I don't think he can force one via EO, though, can he?

[Cannot think of a name]

Stay tuned for the first State of the Union delivered entirely in a poorly spelled tweet storm.

"I'm totally willing to sit donw with Dems for covfefe and hamberders..."

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

*Meanwhile in Mexico*

¿Cómo se supone que esto nos haga pagar por un muro?

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

I don't know, he has the option of doing it from the oval office, he can give the speech without having to put on pants...

But President Trump also lives for spectacle and spotlights. He'll want a normal State of the Union. I don't think he can force one via EO, though, can he?

An abnormal sotu would be far more special for him.

[Juristonia]

Stay tuned for the first State of the Union delivered entirely in a poorly spelled tweet storm.

"I'm totally willing to sit donw with Dems for covfefe and hamberders..."

"The state of the union, is #strong"

[Thermodolia]

"I'm totally willing to sit donw with Dems for covfefe and hamberders..."

"The state of the union, is #strong"

“Trump has been sued for copyright infringement by Focus Features”

[San Lumen]

I don't know, he has the option of doing it from the oval office, he can give the speech without having to put on pants...

But President Trump also lives for spectacle and spotlights. He'll want a normal State of the Union. I don't think he can force one via EO, though, can he?

As far as I know there is no legal requirement it has to be direct address to Congress.

[The Alma Mater]

Have any of the unpaid workers lost their homes yet?

Not as far as I know - but some people have been unable to complete buying a home due to the government not processing their loans.