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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:01 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Because if they don't they get fired then they don't get paid.

I mean, if they all didn't show up then they couldn't fire all of them...

But if most of them show up the rest could be.

Organization is important to make this work.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:03 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I mean, if they all didn't show up then they couldn't fire all of them...

But if most of them show up the rest could be.

Organization is important to make this work.


They should at the very least show up to work and do nothing

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:04 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I mean, if they all didn't show up then they couldn't fire all of them...

But if most of them show up the rest could be.

Organization is important to make this work.

Depends on the numbers. There is a point where it would be fiscal suicide to fire them. Even firing a third or half of the workers would be catastrophic to the functioning of the IRS.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:06 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:But if most of them show up the rest could be.

Organization is important to make this work.

Depends on the numbers. There is a point where it would be fiscal suicide to fire them. Even firing a third or half of the workers would be catastrophic to the functioning of the IRS.


Agreed they should all stop working until the shutdown is over., Its not like much would be affected. Taxes would still be collected.

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://abc13.com/finance/irs-recalling-46000-workers-to-handle-taxes-without-pay/5084170/

Nearly 50000 IRS workers are being recalled to show up to work without pay to handle taxes. I think they should all refuse to show up. In fact the entire IRS should walk off the job until the shutdown ends. What would happen? Not much.

Weren't you the one complaining about the possible repercussions of a strike?
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The New California Republic wrote:Depends on the numbers. There is a point where it would be fiscal suicide to fire them. Even firing a third or half of the workers would be catastrophic to the functioning of the IRS.


Agreed they should all stop working until the shutdown is over., Its not like much would be affected. Taxes would still be collected.

You think that not much would be effected? Tell that to the people who are expecting to get money back.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:11 pm

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San Lumen wrote:https://abc13.com/finance/irs-recalling-46000-workers-to-handle-taxes-without-pay/5084170/

Nearly 50000 IRS workers are being recalled to show up to work without pay to handle taxes. I think they should all refuse to show up. In fact the entire IRS should walk off the job until the shutdown ends. What would happen? Not much.

Weren't you the one complaining about the possible repercussions of a strike?
San Lumen wrote:
Agreed they should all stop working until the shutdown is over., Its not like much would be affected. Taxes would still be collected.

You think that not much would be effected? Tell that to the people who are expecting to get money back.

What effect would unpayed employees of the IRS not showing up to work have? Not much, Taxes would still be collected

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Weren't you the one complaining about the possible repercussions of a strike?

You think that not much would be effected? Tell that to the people who are expecting to get money back.

What effect would unpayed employees of the IRS not showing up to work have? Not much, Taxes would still be collected

It is precisely because taxes will still be collected, but the reimbursements will not occur that will have an effect if they do not show up.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:13 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:But if most of them show up the rest could be.

Organization is important to make this work.

Depends on the numbers. There is a point where it would be fiscal suicide to fire them. Even firing a third or half of the workers would be catastrophic to the functioning of the IRS.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:14 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What effect would unpayed employees of the IRS not showing up to work have? Not much, Taxes would still be collected

It is precisely because taxes will still be collected, but the reimbursements will not occur that will have an effect if they do not show up.

What reimbursements?

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:It is precisely because taxes will still be collected, but the reimbursements will not occur that will have an effect if they do not show up.

What reimbursements?

...You are aware that the IRS being called back is because people would not be getting refunds if those employees would not be called back...right?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:18 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What reimbursements?

...You are aware that the IRS being called back is because people would not be getting refunds if those employees would not be called back...right?

Considering how many will owe taxes this year because of tax bill to benefit the rich I don't see how it would be a bad thing.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:...You are aware that the IRS being called back is because people would not be getting refunds if those employees would not be called back...right?

Considering how many will owe taxes this year because of tax bill to benefit the rich I don't see how it would be a bad thing.


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Postby Great Minarchistan » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://abc13.com/finance/irs-recalling-46000-workers-to-handle-taxes-without-pay/5084170/

Nearly 50000 IRS workers are being recalled to show up to work without pay to handle taxes. I think they should all refuse to show up. In fact the entire IRS should walk off the job until the shutdown ends. What would happen? Not much.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://abc13.com/finance/irs-recalling-46000-workers-to-handle-taxes-without-pay/5084170/

Nearly 50000 IRS workers are being recalled to show up to work without pay to handle taxes. I think they should all refuse to show up. In fact the entire IRS should walk off the job until the shutdown ends. What would happen? Not much.



Do it IRS.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:38 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://abc13.com/finance/irs-recalling-46000-workers-to-handle-taxes-without-pay/5084170/

Nearly 50000 IRS workers are being recalled to show up to work without pay to handle taxes. I think they should all refuse to show up. In fact the entire IRS should walk off the job until the shutdown ends. What would happen? Not much.

Yes!
Let's use the shutdown to cut both spending and taxes

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:39 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What reimbursements?

...You are aware that the IRS being called back is because people would not be getting refunds if those employees would not be called back...right?

That's one way to get the public to hate the shutdown more.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://abc13.com/finance/irs-recalling-46000-workers-to-handle-taxes-without-pay/5084170/

Nearly 50000 IRS workers are being recalled to show up to work without pay to handle taxes. I think they should all refuse to show up. In fact the entire IRS should walk off the job until the shutdown ends. What would happen? Not much.

I hope you enjoy watching the poor suffer.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:07 pm

Galloism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://abc13.com/finance/irs-recalling-46000-workers-to-handle-taxes-without-pay/5084170/

Nearly 50000 IRS workers are being recalled to show up to work without pay to handle taxes. I think they should all refuse to show up. In fact the entire IRS should walk off the job until the shutdown ends. What would happen? Not much.

I hope you enjoy watching the poor suffer.

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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:08 pm

Galloism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://abc13.com/finance/irs-recalling-46000-workers-to-handle-taxes-without-pay/5084170/

Nearly 50000 IRS workers are being recalled to show up to work without pay to handle taxes. I think they should all refuse to show up. In fact the entire IRS should walk off the job until the shutdown ends. What would happen? Not much.

I hope you enjoy watching the poor suffer.


Federal workers are actually very well paid... It's just that, you know. They're not getting paid until this nonsense is over.

Schrodinger's Poverty.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:09 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Galloism wrote:I hope you enjoy watching the poor suffer.


Federal workers are actually very well paid... It's just that, you know. They're not getting paid until this nonsense is over.

Schrodinger's Poverty.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the people who won't get their EIC or ACTC due to the shutdown.

Or you know, 1/4 to 1/3 of the annual income for some people.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:14 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://abc13.com/finance/irs-recalling-46000-workers-to-handle-taxes-without-pay/5084170/

Nearly 50000 IRS workers are being recalled to show up to work without pay to handle taxes. I think they should all refuse to show up. In fact the entire IRS should walk off the job until the shutdown ends. What would happen? Not much.

Weren't you the one complaining about the possible repercussions of a strike?
San Lumen wrote:
Agreed they should all stop working until the shutdown is over., Its not like much would be affected. Taxes would still be collected.

You think that not much would be effected? Tell that to the people who are expecting to get money back.


Wait nvm the irs doing this is a terrable idea

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:...You are aware that the IRS being called back is because people would not be getting refunds if those employees would not be called back...right?

Considering how many will owe taxes this year because of tax bill to benefit the rich I don't see how it would be a bad thing.

...It isn't just the rich who benefit from refunds, the poor benefit, and arguably could be said to benefit more from these refunds.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:03 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Considering how many will owe taxes this year because of tax bill to benefit the rich I don't see how it would be a bad thing.

...It isn't just the rich who benefit from refunds, the poor benefit, and arguably could be said to benefit more from these refunds.


hmmmm?

The poor probably. The middle class is going to be surprised as I think many will not see much of a refund if not owe money. That is if they didn't get advice on these "cuts"
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Postby Page » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:27 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:...It isn't just the rich who benefit from refunds, the poor benefit, and arguably could be said to benefit more from these refunds.


hmmmm?

The poor probably. The middle class is going to be surprised as I think many will not see much of a refund if not owe money. That is if they didn't get advice on these "cuts"


My Trump-supporting middle class parents are very pleased about their tax cuts. Of course when I reminded them that theirs is temporary (and in a few years from now their taxes will go up) while the cuts for the rich are permanent, but they brushed it off. And wouldn't you know it, by the time their taxes go back up there will probably be a Democratic President again who will get the blame.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:31 am

You know, with the government shut down, I propose that we just start a new one.

I'm mean, who's gonna stop us? The Government!?
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