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Will there be a deal to end the shutdown by Friday January 25th?

Yes
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No
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Total votes : 138

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Misthas
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Postby Misthas » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:29 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Misthas wrote:So what you're saying is that marriage registrars should still work unpaid cause they should care about other peoples' marraiges?


What he is saying is that they shouldn't be unpaid in the first place.

But they are, thanks to Trump and his temper tantrum over the fact that congress said no to the wall.

Yes, but there are more important things to focus on.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:36 pm

Misthas wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
What he is saying is that they shouldn't be unpaid in the first place.

But they are, thanks to Trump and his temper tantrum over the fact that congress said no to the wall.

Yes, but there are more important things to focus on.


Like what? What could be more important than turning the government back on?
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The Fedaration of Russia
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Postby The Fedaration of Russia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:40 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Misthas wrote:Yes, but there are more important things to focus on.


Like what? What could be more important than turning the government back on?


Turning on the government is probably the most important thing to do

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Ism
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Postby Ism » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:41 pm

Misthas wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
What he is saying is that they shouldn't be unpaid in the first place.

But they are, thanks to Trump and his temper tantrum over the fact that congress said no to the wall.

Yes, but there are more important things to focus on.


We can pay attention to all the issues a shutdown causes. No need to ignore some because they're relatively minor.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:21 pm

Augustus Legions wrote:Chief, I am here to tell you the 2069 election will be lit as heck.


You do realize that won't be a year of a general election, right?
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The Alma Mater
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:40 pm

Ism wrote:
Misthas wrote:Yes, but there are more important things to focus on.


We can pay attention to all the issues a shutdown causes. No need to ignore some because they're relatively minor.


Considering there are still people who believe that the only ones effected are the government employees who are nog getting paid, perhaps making a list of everyone elses issues caused by the shutdown is even a grand idea.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:46 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Augustus Legions wrote:Chief, I am here to tell you the 2069 election will be lit as heck.


You do realize that won't be a year of a general election, right?

I feel like this should be preserved, like an uncontacted tribe...someone who clearly hasn't experienced 69 jokes. It's an anthropological treasure.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:48 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Ism wrote:
We can pay attention to all the issues a shutdown causes. No need to ignore some because they're relatively minor.


Considering there are still people who believe that the only ones effected are the government employees who are nog getting paid, perhaps making a list of everyone elses issues caused by the shutdown is even a grand idea.

So we can watch them twist themselves into pretzels coming up with reasons why each one doesn't also matter because the shutdown is meaningless until Humungus shows up in their front yard yelling, "Just walk away..."
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:28 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Misthas wrote:Yes, but there are more important things to focus on.


Like what? What could be more important than turning the government back on?


Walls evidently, one way or the other.
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Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores
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Postby Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:35 am

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Like what? What could be more important than turning the government back on?


Walls evidently, one way or the other.

I hope so, we need to do something with this illegal immigration and organized Caravans of illegals, since most don't qualify for any kind of asylum.

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The Alma Mater
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:37 am

Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Walls evidently, one way or the other.

I hope so, we need to do something with this illegal immigration and organized Caravans of illegals, since most don't qualify for any kind of asylum.


Indeed. Like paying the coastgoard and TSA.
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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:40 am

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND

There it goes, longest shutdown. Called it.

America's doing so great, amirite.

Oh right, I said 30 days... Still confident.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:00 am

IMO it’s an absolute embarrassment for Trump to preside over and be responsible for the longest government shutdown by consecutive days in US history. Outside of his die-hard “Trump can do no wrong” crowd, I see him losing a lot of support over this garbage.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:01 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:IMO it’s an absolute embarrassment for Trump to preside over and be responsible for the longest government shutdown by consecutive days in US history.


Why are you surprised ? Trump likes everything to be bigly to compensate for tiny things.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:06 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:IMO it’s an absolute embarrassment for Trump to preside over and be responsible for the longest government shutdown by consecutive days in US history.


Why are you surprised ? Trump likes everything to be bigly to compensate for tiny things.

I mean, I’m not but I kinda am at the same time. A part of me is surprised that he hasn’t caved into the realization that he isn’t getting his wall yet, either by some small spark in his mind or someone in his circle telling him “this ain’t gonna work, man”.
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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:08 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Why are you surprised ? Trump likes everything to be bigly to compensate for tiny things.

I mean, I’m not but I kinda am at the same time. A part of me is surprised that he hasn’t caved into the realization that he isn’t getting his wall yet, either by some small spark in his mind or someone in his circle telling him “this ain’t gonna work, man”.


Honestly? It was kinda genius.

He was going to blame the Democrats for it.

Problem is. Every time he opens his goddamn mouth, 70% of the country realizes that he's insane and he can't be trusted, so.
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Southeastern Xiatao
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Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:21 am

The Rich Port wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I mean, I’m not but I kinda am at the same time. A part of me is surprised that he hasn’t caved into the realization that he isn’t getting his wall yet, either by some small spark in his mind or someone in his circle telling him “this ain’t gonna work, man”.


Honestly? It was kinda genius.

He was going to blame the Democrats for it.

Problem is. Every time he opens his goddamn mouth, 70% of the country realizes that he's insane and he can't be trusted, so.

Honestly it really is weird how nobody in the government or military has had the balls to like launch a coup to overthrow Trump at this point. Even though that would make things worse of course.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:23 am

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Honestly? It was kinda genius.

He was going to blame the Democrats for it.

Problem is. Every time he opens his goddamn mouth, 70% of the country realizes that he's insane and he can't be trusted, so.

Honestly it really is weird how nobody in the government or military has had the balls to like launch a coup to overthrow Trump at this point. Even though that would make things worse of course.


Because civil war sucks hard.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:29 am

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Honestly? It was kinda genius.

He was going to blame the Democrats for it.

Problem is. Every time he opens his goddamn mouth, 70% of the country realizes that he's insane and he can't be trusted, so.

Honestly it really is weird how nobody in the government or military has had the balls to like launch a coup to overthrow Trump at this point. Even though that would make things worse of course.


Like I said before, I'm very surprised the Republicans haven't gotten sick of him and just installed Mike Pence instead.

The guy is a hardliner golden boy.

Must be because he's somehow more annoying and uncontrollable than Trump is. Granted, he doesn't strike me that way, but why haven't they installed his white-bread ass, then?
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The Alma Mater
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:30 am

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Honestly? It was kinda genius.

He was going to blame the Democrats for it.

Problem is. Every time he opens his goddamn mouth, 70% of the country realizes that he's insane and he can't be trusted, so.

Honestly it really is weird how nobody in the government or military has had the balls to like launch a coup to overthrow Trump at this point. Even though that would make things worse of course.


It is weirder how the republicans are just taking it in the arse. It after all was THEIR budgetplan as well that Trump shot down.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:57 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:Honestly it really is weird how nobody in the government or military has had the balls to like launch a coup to overthrow Trump at this point. Even though that would make things worse of course.


Like I said before, I'm very surprised the Republicans haven't gotten sick of him and just installed Mike Pence instead.

The guy is a hardliner golden boy.

Must be because he's somehow more annoying and uncontrollable than Trump is. Granted, he doesn't strike me that way, but why haven't they installed his white-bread ass, then?


Because impeaching your own boy fractures the party.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:03 am

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Perhaps not where you're at...


Really? But what about the banns and shit?


None of their business. There's absolutely no restrictions on a church deciding to "marry" two people, and it has nothing to do with the actual legal institution of marriage. As a random example, a cousin of mine just got "married", because her boyfriend/husband is part of a religious group that isn't a fan of people living together before marriage. They've no intention of doing the actual legal bit any time soon, they've just done the religious bit for now.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:43 am

Whatever happened to the idea of Mexico paying the construction of the wall?
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Cetacea
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Postby Cetacea » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:58 am

Telconi wrote:
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:Honestly it really is weird how nobody in the government or military has had the balls to like launch a coup to overthrow Trump at this point. Even though that would make things worse of course.


Because civil war sucks hard.


would it really go that way?

It could be a 24 hour coup - Military steps in and arrests Trump, the next day the appoint Pence as President, everyone carries on and pretends nothing changed


Telconi wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Like I said before, I'm very surprised the Republicans haven't gotten sick of him and just installed Mike Pence instead.

The guy is a hardliner golden boy.

Must be because he's somehow more annoying and uncontrollable than Trump is. Granted, he doesn't strike me that way, but why haven't they installed his white-bread ass, then?


Because impeaching your own boy fractures the party.


fracturing might be a good thing at this stage
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Postby Bahktar » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:05 am

What disturbs me on this thread is the alarming amount of people asking or discussing why the US military doesn't just do a coup d' etat and overthrow Trump and replace him. It's because that's unconstitutional and a grave attack on the separation of powers and freedom in the USA. Imagine what sort of precedent that would make. The military should be separated from internal politics, period.

The only way to constitutionally remove Trump is either to impeach him or to activate the 25th amendment and that's the only way that it should be done. "Whataboutism" in regards to Trump's defamation of the Special Counsel, FBI and his undermining of justice in general isn't a excuse to orchestrate a conspiracy to overthrow the President of the United States illegally.
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