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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
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No
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:41 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Maybe it will go on for 28 days


Well, we've proven we can get by without 25% of the government. Now lets try for 50%.


"proven we can get by" criteria, we have not instantly turned into a Mad Max style dystopia.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:44 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Maybe it will go on for 28 days


Well, we've proven we can get by without 25% of the government. Now lets try for 50%.

Oh, and if Congress got off their asses and passed a budget instead of this temporary funding bullshit, we might avoid these shutdowns in the future.


The National Parks are effectively falling apart and people will become furious when their tax returns don't arrive, but yes, very fine.

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Postby Ism » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:46 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Well, we've proven we can get by without 25% of the government. Now lets try for 50%.


"proven we can get by" criteria, we have not instantly turned into a Mad Max style dystopia.


If an action or event doesn't have instant, world-shattering consequences, it's obviously nothing to worry about.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:46 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Oh, and if Congress got off their asses and passed a budget instead of this temporary funding bullshit, we might avoid these shutdowns in the future.


Or Trump could have just not shut down the government.

Nah, Trump didn't invent playing chicken with the economy by shutting down the government to throw a tantrum, he's just the latest one. The debt ceiling was a feel good piece of bullshit that has crippled us as a nation and the legislature's main job is to handle the fucking budget. They can get out of this cycle the way California got out of its feel good legislative budget trap, elect a super majority of Democrats.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:56 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Maybe it will go on for 28 days


Movie reference?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:59 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Maybe it will go on for 28 days


Movie reference?


Time to find a cottage on an island off Scotland....

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:05 pm

After reading a bit, this whole “state of emergency” thing that Trump could go declaring doesn’t seem all doom and gloom and martial law as some are making it out to be. Apparently we’re still under Bush’s 9/11 “emergency” and 20 IEEPA “emergencies”. But Trump declaring an emergency would still be colossally stupid on his part and his powers to even build his wall during one are dubious at best.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:08 pm

Big Jim P wrote:Well, we've proven we can get by without 25% of the government.

Hardly.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:10 pm

Ism wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:"proven we can get by" criteria, we have not instantly turned into a Mad Max style dystopia.


If an action or event doesn't have instant, world-shattering consequences, it's obviously nothing to worry about.

And if you’re also ignorant (willfully or not) of the consequences everything must be all hunky dory.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:20 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Ism wrote:
If an action or event doesn't have instant, world-shattering consequences, it's obviously nothing to worry about.

And if you’re also ignorant (willfully or not) of the consequences everything must be all hunky dory.


Or you know, if you're a lazy rich old orange ahol who hasn't had to work a single day of his life.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:22 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Maybe it will go on for 28 days


Movie reference?


Yes

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:23 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Maybe it will go on for 28 days


Movie reference?


CROIKEY MATE

That's how British zombie survivors work, right, they say crikey :lol:

omg. Can you imagine if Steve Irwin came back as a zombie and then he wrestled zombies.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:24 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Movie reference?


Yes

Are you referring to the movie 28 days later?

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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:24 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Well, we've proven we can get by without 25% of the government.

Hardly.


Nothings really changed now has it? A few non-essential government employees aren't getting paid. Boo Hoo.

Here's a point: there should be NO non-essential government employees (or services for that matter). Once the government goes beyond the essentials, any taxes levied to pay for it are indeed, theft.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:26 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Yes

Are you referring to the movie 28 days later?


Correct

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:28 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Hardly.


Nothings really changed now has it? A few non-essential government employees aren't getting paid. Boo Hoo.

Here's a point: there should be NO non-essential government employees (or services for that matter). Once the government goes beyond the essentials, any taxes levied to pay for it are indeed, theft.


The Departments of the Treasury, State, Justice, Commerce, Housing and Urban Development, and Agriculture are non-essential?

Not to mention Homeland Security who are supposed to stop all these Mexican criminal terrorists Trump is so goddamn worried about.

Not to mention, the American economy losing 500,000 jobs is gonna be GREAT for the economy.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:30 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Hardly.


Nothings really changed now has it? A few non-essential government employees aren't getting paid. Boo Hoo.


Some parts of the government are also simply shut down at the moment. It sucks a bit if you cannot finish buying your new house or cannot get screened for your new job.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:31 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Hardly.


Nothings really changed now has it? A few non-essential government employees aren't getting paid. Boo Hoo.

Here's a point: there should be NO non-essential government employees (or services for that matter). Once the government goes beyond the essentials, any taxes levied to pay for it are indeed, theft.


Big Jim supports illegal immigration and terrorism. :)

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:41 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Nothings really changed now has it? A few non-essential government employees aren't getting paid. Boo Hoo.

Here's a point: there should be NO non-essential government employees (or services for that matter). Once the government goes beyond the essentials, any taxes levied to pay for it are indeed, theft.


Big Jim supports illegal immigration and terrorism. :)


To be fair, he IS a Satanist.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:46 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Big Jim supports illegal immigration and terrorism. :)


To be fair, he IS a Satanist.


Satanists are usually good people. Satan was the first guy to ask for equal rights after all...

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:47 pm

Big Jim P wrote:Nothings really changed now has it?

Food inspections have stopped, employment backgrounds checks have stopped, flood insurance has stopped, environmental protection has stopped, etc. A lot has changed, you just don’t seem to care enough to notice.

Big Jim P wrote:A few non-essential government employees aren't getting paid. Boo Hoo.

Your callousness towards nearly a million hard working Americans is pretty disturbing tbh. Essential governmental employees are also having to go without pay.

Big Jim P wrote:Here's a point: there should be NO non-essential government employees (or services for that matter).

Only in your subjective opinion. I’d hardly place your determination on what’s essential and what’s not in high regard.

Big Jim P wrote: Once the government goes beyond the essentials, any taxes levied to pay for it are indeed, theft.

Lol.
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:53 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:This might be the theater they have to go through in order to sell their undermining the President at this point. They have to make the college try to meet the president so they can go, "Look, we tried to meet his needs and he wasn't agreeable so we had to turn to the democrats to get this done."


...I am starting to consider the theory that the establishment Republicans have begun to plot against him.

In a sense. It's very clear that many or even most of the congressional GOP doesn't really like Trump as a person, and only supports him because it is marginally valuable to keep together an appearance of party cohesion so that the presidency remains Republican and so that Republican congressmen get to use the party war chest in their reelection campaigns. As soon as the bulk of the GOP's political power decides that Trump is too costly a figurehead to keep propping up, they will dump him and move on to the next cryptofascist imbecile on the list.

Of course, they might never do that, and just keep attempting to justify his behavior and policies regardless of how much it costs them in the opinion polls. Trump might be a "too big to fail" sort of politician for them, only removable once he's already ousted from the White House.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:56 pm

Wallenburg wrote:. As soon as the bulk of the GOP's political power decides that Trump is too costly a figurehead to keep propping up, they will dump him and move on to the next cryptofascist imbecile on the list.


Serious question: why do the republicans have so many.. mentally challenged.. people on their presidential candidates list ? Bush jr, Sarah Palin, Trump - certainly they can find better in their half of the population ?
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:01 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
...I am starting to consider the theory that the establishment Republicans have begun to plot against him.

In a sense. It's very clear that many or even most of the congressional GOP doesn't really like Trump as a person, and only supports him because it is marginally valuable to keep together an appearance of party cohesion so that the presidency remains Republican and so that Republican congressmen get to use the party war chest in their reelection campaigns. As soon as the bulk of the GOP's political power decides that Trump is too costly a figurehead to keep propping up, they will dump him and move on to the next cryptofascist imbecile on the list.

Of course, they might never do that, and just keep attempting to justify his behavior and policies regardless of how much it costs them in the opinion polls. Trump might be a "too big to fail" sort of politician for them, only removable once he's already ousted from the White House.


I'm honestly surprised they haven't voted to impeach him yet.

They're short one annoying orange man and they're up Mike Pence, gay-hating Deus Vult extraordinaire.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:03 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:. As soon as the bulk of the GOP's political power decides that Trump is too costly a figurehead to keep propping up, they will dump him and move on to the next cryptofascist imbecile on the list.


Serious question: why do the republicans have so many.. mentally challenged.. people on their presidential candidates list ? Bush jr, Sarah Palin, Trump - certainly they can find better in their half of the population ?

The smart ones are handling the money and doing lobbying for the rest of them. Also, the Republican Party puts less interest in intelligence than it does in the Republican policy platform. The Democrats are the same way. It just so happens that the Republican policy platform is filled with idiot ideas that the really bright Republicans don't want to be seen actively pushing.
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