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Rezmaeristan wrote:This whole thing is ridiculous. Why couldn't we work out a DACA-for-wall deal? You get your Dreamers, we get our wall.

Wait, I know why. Optics. Trump doesn't want to look soft(despite the fact he wrote a book called Art of the Deal so this would be perfectly acceptable to his base if they get the wall) and Pelosi/Schumer don't want to cooperate with Trump, because on the left, if you collaborate with or talk to someone, you're basically the same as them. Also orange man bad.

Vassenor wrote:Also it turns out the guy behind #crowdfundthewall has a history of running crowdfunding scams and the page has been shut down with all backers being refunded.

In 2015, he raised $16,246 on GoFundMe for a veteran mentorship program, citing three hospitals he would help. The funds went directly to him, GoFundMe confirmed.

But all 3 vet centers say they have no record of any peer-mentoring programs or of him working with their patients

According to a cache of texts, emails, and five people who worked with and for Brian Kolfage, the veteran pushed his emplyees to fabricate stories on Facebook to more flagrantly convey a false narrative and purchased conservative pages, one for ~$100,000, to grow for profit

He currently has another GoFundMe campaign (Fight 4 Free Speech) to pay him to "take on Facebook in an unprecedented legal case that will shape our nation for future generations"

It's raised $73,425. If it hits its $100,000 goal, the funds will go to him

Vassenor wrote:

Rezmaeristan wrote:This whole thing is ridiculous. Why couldn't we work out a DACA-for-wall deal? You get your Dreamers, we get our wall.

Wait, I know why. Optics. Trump doesn't want to look soft(despite the fact he wrote a book called Art of the Deal so this would be perfectly acceptable to his base if they get the wall) and Pelosi/Schumer don't want to cooperate with Trump, because on the left, if you collaborate with or talk to someone, you're basically the same as them. Also orange man bad.

They tried, and it was all ready to go through, and then FOX News pitched a fit and Trump pulled out.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
They tried, and it was all ready to go through, and then FOX News pitched a fit and Trump pulled out.

So.. the shutdown is all the fault of FOX News ?

Vassenor wrote:

Rezmaeristan wrote:This whole thing is ridiculous. Why couldn't we work out a DACA-for-wall deal? You get your Dreamers, we get our wall.

Wait, I know why. Optics. Trump doesn't want to look soft(despite the fact he wrote a book called Art of the Deal so this would be perfectly acceptable to his base if they get the wall) and Pelosi/Schumer don't want to cooperate with Trump, because on the left, if you collaborate with or talk to someone, you're basically the same as them. Also orange man bad.

They tried, and it was all ready to go through, and then FOX News pitched a fit and Trump pulled out.

Vassenor wrote:Also it turns out the guy behind #crowdfundthewall has a history of running crowdfunding scams and the page has been shut down with all backers being refunded.

In 2015, he raised $16,246 on GoFundMe for a veteran mentorship program, citing three hospitals he would help. The funds went directly to him, GoFundMe confirmed.

But all 3 vet centers say they have no record of any peer-mentoring programs or of him working with their patients

According to a cache of texts, emails, and five people who worked with and for Brian Kolfage, the veteran pushed his emplyees to fabricate stories on Facebook to more flagrantly convey a false narrative and purchased conservative pages, one for ~$100,000, to grow for profit

He currently has another GoFundMe campaign (Fight 4 Free Speech) to pay him to "take on Facebook in an unprecedented legal case that will shape our nation for future generations"

It's raised $73,425. If it hits its $100,000 goal, the funds will go to him

Rezmaeristan wrote:This whole thing is ridiculous. Why couldn't we work out a DACA-for-wall deal? You get your Dreamers, we get our wall.

Wait, I know why. Optics. Trump doesn't want to look soft(despite the fact he wrote a book called Art of the Deal so this would be perfectly acceptable to his base if they get the wall) and Pelosi/Schumer don't want to cooperate with Trump, because on the left, if you collaborate with or talk to someone, you're basically the same as them. Also orange man bad.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Vassenor wrote:Also it turns out the guy behind #crowdfundthewall has a history of running crowdfunding scams and the page has been shut down with all backers being refunded.

Oof.

The waste of money people are wasting there money on would have been double wasted on a shyster.

Rezmaeristan wrote:This whole thing is ridiculous. Why couldn't we work out a DACA-for-wall deal? You get your Dreamers, we get our wall.

Wait, I know why. Optics. Trump doesn't want to look soft(despite the fact he wrote a book called Art of the Deal so this would be perfectly acceptable to his base if they get the wall) and Pelosi/Schumer don't want to cooperate with Trump, because on the left, if you collaborate with or talk to someone, you're basically the same as them. Also orange man bad.

Or: It's beacuse 5 billion for a useless wall is throwing away perfectly good money and Trump refuses to stop being a man baby and talk with the dems.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
They tried, and it was all ready to go through, and then FOX News pitched a fit and Trump pulled out.

So.. the shutdown is all the fault of FOX News ?

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Oof.

The waste of money people are wasting there money on would have been double wasted on a shyster.


Or: It's beacuse 5 billion for a useless wall is throwing away perfectly good money and Trump refuses to stop being a man baby and talk with the dems.

I think he's made his position very clear. No wall, no re-opening of government.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I think he's made his position very clear. No wall, no re-opening of government.

Yes, and that is an incredibly ridiculous position.

Vassenor wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Yes, and that is an incredibly ridiculous position.

You're forgetting that since it was a campaign promise the Dems should be required to roll over and give it to him because logic and reasons and facts.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
You're forgetting that since it was a campaign promise the Dems should be required to roll over and give it to him because logic and reasons and facts.

Well, it's that or he gets hung with his own intestines by own party and voter base.

He has very much wedged himself between a rock and a hard place.

Vassenor wrote:Also it turns out the guy behind #crowdfundthewall has a history of running crowdfunding scams and the page has been shut down with all backers being refunded.

In 2015, he raised $16,246 on GoFundMe for a veteran mentorship program, citing three hospitals he would help. The funds went directly to him, GoFundMe confirmed.

But all 3 vet centers say they have no record of any peer-mentoring programs or of him working with their patients

According to a cache of texts, emails, and five people who worked with and for Brian Kolfage, the veteran pushed his emplyees to fabricate stories on Facebook to more flagrantly convey a false narrative and purchased conservative pages, one for ~$100,000, to grow for profit

He currently has another GoFundMe campaign (Fight 4 Free Speech) to pay him to "take on Facebook in an unprecedented legal case that will shape our nation for future generations"

It's raised $73,425. If it hits its $100,000 goal, the funds will go to him

Kannap wrote:So how about day 21, are we having fun?

Myrensis wrote:

Vassenor wrote:Also it turns out the guy behind #crowdfundthewall has a history of running crowdfunding scams and the page has been shut down with all backers being refunded.

I'm going to laugh my ass off if he just walks away with the wall money, or donates a fraction of it to the border patrol and calls it good. I eagerly look forward to the stories to start coming out of how some devoted MAGA hatter gave their life savings, or money they needed for their medications, to help Donald build the wall.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

Kannap wrote:So how about day 21, are we having fun?

Still no revolution and marches on Washington...

Y'all call the French a bunch of cowards, and yet...

The Rich Port wrote:

Myrensis wrote:
I'm going to laugh my ass off if he just walks away with the wall money, or donates a fraction of it to the border patrol and calls it good. I eagerly look forward to the stories to start coming out of how some devoted MAGA hatter gave their life savings, or money they needed for their medications, to help Donald build the wall.

Unfortunately, that seems unlikely to happen if he's giving out refunds.

Also, this sounds like something Trump is going to spin as somehow not his fault by the fault of Democrats for... I don't know.

Not passing some bill to setup a way for people to donate to the wall, probably.

Vassenor wrote:GoFundMe is doing the refunds themselves with no input from him.

The Rich Port wrote:

Vassenor wrote:GoFundMe is doing the refunds themselves with no input from him.

Either way, it says a lot that it only reached $73k out of $100k. What is that. .01% of theprojected cost of the wall?

I'm surprised there isn't an OFFICIAL GoFundMe sponsored by the Republican Party or some legitimate pro-Wall group.

That way we can see just how popular the wall is by how little money is actually donated by Trump supporters.

Kannap wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
Either way, it says a lot that it only reached $73k out of $100k. What is that. .01% of theprojected cost of the wall?

I'm surprised there isn't an OFFICIAL GoFundMe sponsored by the Republican Party or some legitimate pro-Wall group.

That way we can see just how popular the wall is by how little money is actually donated by Trump supporters.

The $73k is some scam about him filing a lawsuit against Facebook...

The Wall project got $20 million in donations. I called it a scam from day one, so I'm not surprised.

The Rich Port wrote:

Kannap wrote:
The $73k is some scam about him filing a lawsuit against Facebook...

The Wall project got $20 million in donations. I called it a scam from day one, so I'm not surprised.

In which case, I must say it's a little irresponsible and outright hypocritical of the Republican Party not to provide a legitimate way to fund the wall for their own base and instead allow them to use a fuckin' private Internet company that's primarily used to fund art projects to sponsor a goddamn security infrastructure project.

Then again, how fuckin' stupid do you have to be to donate to that fund? There's zero guarantee that guy would have used the funds for the wall or even paid back. GoFundMe should have dropped his ass.

Vassenor wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
In which case, I must say it's a little irresponsible and outright hypocritical of the Republican Party not to provide a legitimate way to fund the wall for their own base and instead allow them to use a fuckin' private Internet company that's primarily used to fund art projects to sponsor a goddamn security infrastructure project.

Then again, how fuckin' stupid do you have to be to donate to that fund? There's zero guarantee that guy would have used the funds for the wall or even paid back. GoFundMe should have dropped his ass.

Because legally the party cannot do that.