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Will there be a deal to end the shutdown by Friday January 18th?

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:42 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Phoenicaea wrote:greetings. to know, how does shutdown work? which is the decision about what facilities work and what don t, and that makes how large part of them?

if it is real, then is great. in my country, there is nothing quite as this (it means the public spending goes, whatever licit or not, while it has been voted, or not).

There are articles available on most major news sites that list the specific departments that are closed, but it includes (but not limited to): the IRS, national parks, and housing. Payment of salary for some other departments will also be delayed.


The IRS is closed?

If the taxation system remains closed for too long...

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:47 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:There are articles available on most major news sites that list the specific departments that are closed, but it includes (but not limited to): the IRS, national parks, and housing. Payment of salary for some other departments will also be delayed.


The IRS is closed?

If the taxation system remains closed for too long...

The main immediate problem at least is that tax queries are not answered at all, rather than cash flow difficulties.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:35 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The IRS is closed?

If the taxation system remains closed for too long...

The main immediate problem at least is that tax queries are not answered at all, rather than cash flow difficulties.


I should've expected so..

Dealing with tax-related citizen concerns? That shit's too unimportant.

But keeping the money flowing in? I most certainly should've expected they'd keep that open.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:11 am

And so... ...

why don't the Democrat want more border security on the Mexican border?

illegal immigration is clearly a problem

I don't think the Wall is even going far enough
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Postby Republicanana » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:55 am

Please in the new poll, for if the government will be still shutdown tomorrow at 12:01 AM EST. 94% of you were right in saying it would still be shutdown today.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:44 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:And so... ...

why don't the Democrat want more border security on the Mexican border?

illegal immigration is clearly a problem

I don't think the Wall is even going far enough


Did you miss the part where Dems approved 1.6 billion dollarydoos to increase security and the whole argument that the wall would be disastrously ineffective?
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:48 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:I don't think the Wall is even going far enough

Oh shit. I'd love to hear what you'd propose...
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:02 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I don't think the Wall is even going far enough

Oh shit. I'd love to hear what you'd propose...

Insert plagiarised popular media rp scenario thread and an unhealthy dose of authoritarian hard on bollocks
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:05 am

Page wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?


There is already a vast network of tunnels, and I heard there is this futuristic invention called the ladder.

Even if Trump got a wall of metal spikes like he wants, then he runs into the problem that the entire border is not flat terrain, so a wall from end to end is a geographic impossibility. That is, unless he wants to build the wall further inland, thus ceding American land to Mexico.

We don't need a study to see what a stupid waste of time and money this would be.

Part of the border between the US and Mexico is the Rio Grande river, as defined by treaty. Obviously enough you can't build a fence or a wall on the bank of a river, it'd fall over.


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The other borders include the US border with Canada, the Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, with the World's largest navy patrolling them, and there's also the Arctic Ocean, but Polar Bears have yet to manifest a major threat.




Are you expecting Congress to do effective studies? Love your optimism. Congress has commissioned a study on quails having sex while high on cocaine, and another on the effect of leaf blowers on lizards. They don't have time for this border wall stuff! (I recommend reading Rand Paul's Twitter Festivus, whole damn thing's hilarious)

Leaf blowers on lizards. What the fuck are we doing

Science.


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And people wonder why we don't have the money to spend on actual priorities like the wall and infrastructure.

You don't spend money on walls or infrastructure because you don't want to, not because you have no money left after funding scientific research.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:08 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Oh shit. I'd love to hear what you'd propose...

Insert plagiarised popular media rp scenario thread and an unhealthy dose of authoritarian hard on bollocks

I was entirely expecting an unironic repeat of my own solution of copying the Berlin Wall in regards to the Irish border, just applied to the Mexican border instead.
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Postby Republicanana » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:18 am

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... -democrats

President Trump saying that most federal workers are Democrats, which could be true, considering the way DC and Northern Virginia in 2016 and 2018.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:20 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Oh shit. I'd love to hear what you'd propose...

Insert plagiarised popular media rp scenario thread and an unhealthy dose of authoritarian hard on bollocks


But the wall totally worked on Game of Thrones.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:24 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Insert plagiarised popular media rp scenario thread and an unhealthy dose of authoritarian hard on bollocks


But the wall totally worked on Game of Thrones.

I'd laugh heartily if the Mexicans had a wight dragon and used it to destroy the wall...
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:32 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But the wall totally worked on Game of Thrones.

I'd laugh heartily if the Mexicans had a wight dragon and used it to destroy the wall...

Obviously the Mexican dragon will be brown.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I'd laugh heartily if the Mexicans had a wight dragon and used it to destroy the wall...

Obviously the Mexican dragon will be brown.

Wight, not white. :p
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Postby Kannap » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:46 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:And so... ...

why don't the Democrat want more border security on the Mexican border?

illegal immigration is clearly a problem

I don't think the Wall is even going far enough


Are you blissfully ignoring where Democrats do want border security. Plain and simple, the wall won't work. Time and time again, we've been saying most illegal immigrants enter the nation legally then overstay their visas.

I propose we build a dome over every airport and make Elon Musk pay for it.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:01 am

Kannap wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:And so... ...

why don't the Democrat want more border security on the Mexican border?

illegal immigration is clearly a problem

I don't think the Wall is even going far enough


Are you blissfully ignoring where Democrats do want border security. Plain and simple, the wall won't work. Time and time again, we've been saying most illegal immigrants enter the nation legally then overstay their visas.

I propose we build a dome over every airport and make Elon Musk pay for it.

You had me at "make Elon Musk pay for it".
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:12 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:And so... ...

why don't the Democrat want more border security on the Mexican border?

illegal immigration is clearly a problem

I don't think the Wall is even going far enough

They are not against border security. They are against a stupid wall that would do absolutely nothing

What do you propose then?

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Postby San Carlos Islands » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:And so... ...

why don't the Democrat want more border security on the Mexican border?

illegal immigration is clearly a problem

I don't think the Wall is even going far enough

They are not against border security. They are against a stupid wall that would do absolutely nothing

What do you propose then?


Repeal of Catch & Release.

Mass Deportation of all Illegal Aliens in the United States, including Dreamers.

Implementation of quotas on immigrants coming from the 3rd world.

Implementation of Merit based immigration from the 3rd world.

Health restrictions on immigrants.

English as a national language.

More border security, including a wall, paid for by the money we saved by kicking all the illegals out.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:19 am

Ifreann wrote:Part of the border between the US and Mexico is the Rio Grande river, as defined by treaty. Obviously enough you can't build a fence or a wall on the bank of a river, it'd fall over.


There are ways around that if absolutely necessary. By itself a river isn't an insurmountable problem, though any solution would likely prove to be expensive. Also, I'm not sure what wall builders plan on doing with the Falcon Reservoir.

But let's say, for the sake of discussion, that the solution to the Rio Grande consists of building the wall a bit back from the river, which has the advantage of shortening the route by lessening the impact of meanders as well as resolving some of the river shore engineering issues. On the face of it, this seems sensible. But I would have thought an even more serious problem is that much of the immediate hinterland of the Rio Grande, especially in southern Texas, is prime agricultural land; any attempt to build a wall through these stretches would require precisely the sort of exercise of eminent domain that many members of the president's natural voting constituency would presumably find deeply problematic.

It's almost as if nobody knew that building a wall could be so complicated.

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Postby San Carlos Islands » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:22 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Part of the border between the US and Mexico is the Rio Grande river, as defined by treaty. Obviously enough you can't build a fence or a wall on the bank of a river, it'd fall over.


There are ways around that if absolutely necessary. By itself a river isn't an insurmountable problem, though any solution would likely prove to be expensive. Also, I'm not sure what wall builders plan on doing with the Falcon Reservoir.

But let's say, for the sake of discussion, that the solution to the Rio Grande consists of building the wall a bit back from the river, which has the advantage of shortening the route by lessening the impact of meanders as well as resolving some of the river shore engineering issues. On the face of it, this seems sensible. But I would have thought an even more serious problem is that much of the immediate hinterland of the Rio Grande, especially in southern Texas, is prime agricultural land; any attempt to build a wall through these stretches would require precisely the sort of exercise of eminent domain that many members of the president's natural voting constituency would presumably find deeply problematic.

It's almost as if nobody knew that building a wall could be so complicated.


The Rio Grande is somewhat of a death trap. A lot of these illegals don't know how to swim well, but attempt to traverse the Rio Grande anyway. Many of them drown. I read a story a few days ago about how a Border Agent risked his own life saving one of the idiots from drowning in the middle of the night.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:27 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Part of the border between the US and Mexico is the Rio Grande river, as defined by treaty. Obviously enough you can't build a fence or a wall on the bank of a river, it'd fall over.


There are ways around that if absolutely necessary. By itself a river isn't an insurmountable problem, though any solution would likely prove to be expensive. Also, I'm not sure what wall builders plan on doing with the Falcon Reservoir.

But let's say, for the sake of discussion, that the solution to the Rio Grande consists of building the wall a bit back from the river, which has the advantage of shortening the route by lessening the impact of meanders as well as resolving some of the river shore engineering issues. On the face of it, this seems sensible. But I would have thought an even more serious problem is that much of the immediate hinterland of the Rio Grande, especially in southern Texas, is prime agricultural land; any attempt to build a wall through these stretches would require precisely the sort of exercise of eminent domain that many members of the president's natural voting constituency would presumably find deeply problematic.

It's almost as if nobody knew that building a wall could be so complicated.

And there is clear historical precedent of being able to do it as well. The Inner German Border and Berlin Wall had several sections that intersected the Elbe, the Saale, and the Werra, and most of the time the solution was just a combination of placing the wall on the nearest stable riverbank on the East German side, and using boats to patrol the rest of the territory "sacrificed" to make the barrier feasible.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:32 am

San Carlos Islands wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They are not against border security. They are against a stupid wall that would do absolutely nothing

What do you propose then?


Repeal of Catch & Release.

Mass Deportation of all Illegal Aliens in the United States, including Dreamers.

Implementation of quotas on immigrants coming from the 3rd world.

Implementation of Merit based immigration from the 3rd world.

Health restrictions on immigrants.

English as a national language.

More border security, including a wall, paid for by the money we saved by kicking all the illegals out.


You would deport people back to a country they have never known, dont speak the language, dont know the culture, have no connections to whatsoever? Thats truly and utterly heartless

You cannot deport 11 million people its simply impractical.

Merit based immigration? So only the best of the best can come in? anyone and everyone else sorry you born in the wrong circumstances or country and slam the door.

We have thread for this in the diversity/multiculturism thread. Im not sure if this belongs here.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:36 am

San Carlos Islands wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They are not against border security. They are against a stupid wall that would do absolutely nothing

What do you propose then?


Repeal of Catch & Release.

Mass Deportation of all Illegal Aliens in the United States, including Dreamers.

Implementation of quotas on immigrants coming from the 3rd world.

Implementation of Merit based immigration from the 3rd world.

Health restrictions on immigrants.

English as a national language.

More border security, including a wall, paid for by the money we saved by kicking all the illegals out.


Now cost all that out because I'm not seeing where the savings come from given all the manpower needed.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:55 am

Huh, I actually forgot the government was still shutdown. Isn't really affecting my life much.

I mean, uh, government shutdown bad. There's anarchy in the streets. Please, someone turn in back on.
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