US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Grinning Dragon]

So what part of this deal pisses off the base? The Wall is still unfunded, for one.

"The Wall" is a vague nebulous term and has been for some time. Trump did indeed get more barrier funding and that's gonna be easy as hell to spin as a win for his base and the Dems don't have a lot of tangible things to show to their side.

What trump could do is sign the now passed resolution which gave him what 1.37bil of which 600mil is allocated for barriers, declare an emergency to fund the remaining 5bil that he originally wanted and pull that money from the 14 bil assets that was taken from el chapo.

[Vassenor]

"The Wall" is a vague nebulous term and has been for some time. Trump did indeed get more barrier funding and that's gonna be easy as hell to spin as a win for his base and the Dems don't have a lot of tangible things to show to their side.

What trump could do is sign the now passed resolution which gave him what 1.37bil of which 600mil is allocated for barriers, declare an emergency to fund the remaining 5bil that he originally wanted and pull that money from the 14 bil assets that was taken from el chapo.

Pretty sure that's still misappropriation of funds.

[Grinning Dragon]

What trump could do is sign the now passed resolution which gave him what 1.37bil of which 600mil is allocated for barriers, declare an emergency to fund the remaining 5bil that he originally wanted and pull that money from the 14 bil assets that was taken from el chapo.

Pretty sure that's still misappropriation of funds.

I'm just throwing out a possible avenue, which I assume he'd have to fight like hell in the courts.
The 14bil assets from el chapo, is basically free money for the govt to play with.

[Cannot think of a name]

Pretty sure that's still misappropriation of funds.

I'm just throwing out a possible avenue, which I assume he'd have to fight like hell in the courts.
The 14bil assets from el chapo, is basically free money for the govt to play with.

I think he's just opting to saying the wall is being built and leaving it at that.

[Wallenburg]

I'm just throwing out a possible avenue, which I assume he'd have to fight like hell in the courts.
The 14bil assets from el chapo, is basically free money for the govt to play with.

I think he's just opting to saying the wall is being built and leaving it at that.

Probably. His narrative constantly pivots from "Mexico will pay for a wall" to "Democrats need to fund the wall" to "we are already working on a wall" to "the wall is already there", and everything in between, and even two or three of those at once.

[The Grims]

Well ... it seems Trump is about to both sign the funding bill AND declare a national emergency..

According to NBC, AP and ABC at least.

[San Lumen]

Well ... it seems Trump is about to both sign the funding bill AND declare a national emergency..

According to NBC, AP and ABC at least.

and it will immediately be challenged in court preventing it from going into affect and many Congress will not be pleased with his action including Republicans

[Cannot think of a name]

Well ... it seems Trump is about to both sign the funding bill AND declare a national emergency..

According to NBC, AP and ABC at least.

"I've just had an opportunity to speak with President Trump, and he would, I would say to all my colleagues, has indicated that he's prepared to sign the bill. He will also be issuing a national emergency declaration at the same time. And I've indicated to him that I'm going to prepare -- I'm going to support the national emergency declaration. So for all of my colleagues, the President will sign the bill. We'll be voting on it shortly."

via CNN
Wonder if McConnell is just going, "play it cool...get the bill signed, play it cool..."

I mean, he's probably just being spinless. But still.

[Cannot think of a name]

Pelosi is doing a 'presser' in an hour.

I feel like I'm watching people pushing each other while building a card stack.

[WhatsamattaU]

Well ... it seems Trump is about to both sign the funding bill AND declare a national emergency..

According to NBC, AP and ABC at least.

and it will immediately be challenged in court preventing it from going into affect and many Congress will not be pleased with his action including Republicans

Personally, Constitutionally, I don't believe the various parties have standing to question any President from declaring a National Emergency.

What's happening is that the President is listening to the voices saying that it would be a bad precedent that a Democrat party President might use in the future.

[The Black Forrest]

Well ... it seems Trump is about to both sign the funding bill AND declare a national emergency..

According to NBC, AP and ABC at least.

"I've just had an opportunity to speak with President Trump, and he would, I would say to all my colleagues, has indicated that he's prepared to sign the bill. He will also be issuing a national emergency declaration at the same time. And I've indicated to him that I'm going to prepare -- I'm going to support the national emergency declaration. So for all of my colleagues, the President will sign the bill. We'll be voting on it shortly."

via CNN
Wonder if McConnell is just going, "play it cool...get the bill signed, play it cool..."

I mean, he's probably just being spinless. But still.

Oh he has abrogated his responsibilities. All he cared about was not another shutdown as it probably would loose the senate next election.

[Ifreann]

"The Wall" is a vague nebulous term and has been for some time. Trump did indeed get more barrier funding and that's gonna be easy as hell to spin as a win for his base and the Dems don't have a lot of tangible things to show to their side.

What trump could do is sign the now passed resolution which gave him what 1.37bil of which 600mil is allocated for barriers, declare an emergency to fund the remaining 5bil that he originally wanted and pull that money from the 14 bil assets that was taken from el chapo.

And then he'd only need another $70 billion or so.

[The Black Forrest]

and it will immediately be challenged in court preventing it from going into affect and many Congress will not be pleased with his action including Republicans

Personally, Constitutionally, I don't believe the various parties have standing to question any President from declaring a National Emergency.

What's happening is that the President is listening to the voices saying that it would be a bad precedent that a Democrat party President might use in the future.

Nobody is saying the President can't call a National Emergency.

Political promises are not a National Emergency.

The great wall of donnie will not do what donnie promises it will do.

[Mystic Warriors]

What trump could do is sign the now passed resolution which gave him what 1.37bil of which 600mil is allocated for barriers, declare an emergency to fund the remaining 5bil that he originally wanted and pull that money from the 14 bil assets that was taken from el chapo.

Pretty sure that's still misappropriation of funds.

Trump doesn't care.

[Mystic Warriors]

Well ... it seems Trump is about to both sign the funding bill AND declare a national emergency..

According to NBC, AP and ABC at least.

His approval ratings will take a hit. But I thank him, nice distraction from Virginia.

[Thermodolia]

and it will immediately be challenged in court preventing it from going into affect and many Congress will not be pleased with his action including Republicans

Personally, Constitutionally, I don't believe the various parties have standing to question any President from declaring a National Emergency.

What's happening is that the President is listening to the voices saying that it would be a bad precedent that a Democrat party President might use in the future.

Technically a National Emergency isn’t strictly constitutional.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Personally, Constitutionally, I don't believe the various parties have standing to question any President from declaring a National Emergency.

What's happening is that the President is listening to the voices saying that it would be a bad precedent that a Democrat party President might use in the future.

Nobody is saying the President can't call a National Emergency.

Political promises are not a National Emergency.

The great wall of donnie will not do what donnie promises it will do.

"National Emergency" is equally as nebulous afaik, and as long as Congress doesn't outright shut it down it'll probably be fine legally.

[Thermodolia]

Nobody is saying the President can't call a National Emergency.

Political promises are not a National Emergency.

The great wall of donnie will not do what donnie promises it will do.

"National Emergency" is equally as nebulous afaik, and as long as Congress doesn't outright shut it down it'll probably be fine legally.

McConnell said he’d support it so ya

[West Leas Oros 2]

Are people still talking about the SOTU? What are your opinions on it?

[The Archregimancy]

Pretty sure that's still misappropriation of funds.

I'm just throwing out a possible avenue, which I assume he'd have to fight like hell in the courts.
The 14bil assets from el chapo, is basically free money for the govt to play with.

There is no '14bill assets from El Chapo'; Ted Cruz failed basic civics when he came up with that suggestion.

there are a few problems with this scheme. First, is that fines and civil asset forfeitures don't go into a slush fund to be used at the president's discretion. They go to the Treasury, and in order for that money to be used for some specific purpose, Congress has to pass an appropriations bill. That's not going to happen because the House will never approve such a bill. On top of that, legal experts agree that it's the Mexican government that is entitled to seize Guzmán's assets, not the United States government. And even if those two issues were somehow overcome, Guzman himself is unlikely to help the feds find all his assets, even though the government is going to give him free room and board for the rest of his life in beautiful Colorado. His new accommodations won't be what he was used to, but they do have a rating on Google of 3.3. In other words: Nice try, Ted, but no cigar.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2019/ ... tml#item-9

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Seems the House failed to even pass a budget-bill this time around to avoid shutdown round #2.

Oh hey, is of happening. Congress has been deemed irrelevant in order to avoid further shutdowns.

Who else won that bet?

Welp, off to go buy a T-80U and party like it's 1993.
lul, CCN mistook a BMP-1P for a howitzer.

The Cold War got kinda wierd between 1989 and 1998.

[Valrifell]

McConnell is my least favorite politician, mmm, ever.

[Valrifell]

If the National Emergency declatation goes unchallenged, the writing is officially on the wall, the Republic is dead. The ship of state sank and it's time to get out.

[Grinning Dragon]

I'm just throwing out a possible avenue, which I assume he'd have to fight like hell in the courts.
The 14bil assets from el chapo, is basically free money for the govt to play with.

There is no '14bill assets from El Chapo'; Ted Cruz failed basic civics when he came up with that suggestion.

there are a few problems with this scheme. First, is that fines and civil asset forfeitures don't go into a slush fund to be used at the president's discretion. They go to the Treasury, and in order for that money to be used for some specific purpose, Congress has to pass an appropriations bill. That's not going to happen because the House will never approve such a bill. On top of that, legal experts agree that it's the Mexican government that is entitled to seize Guzmán's assets, not the United States government. And even if those two issues were somehow overcome, Guzman himself is unlikely to help the feds find all his assets, even though the government is going to give him free room and board for the rest of his life in beautiful Colorado. His new accommodations won't be what he was used to, but they do have a rating on Google of 3.3. In other words: Nice try, Ted, but no cigar.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2019/ ... tml#item-9

But come on think of it this way.
Trump said he'd get mexico to pay for the wall, el chapo is from mexico, seized assets from a mexican subject payed for the wall, wah-la, a wall payed for by mexico. It's a win-win.

[Cannot think of a name]

Seems the House failed to even pass a budget-bill this time around to avoid shutdown round #2.

Oh hey, is of happening. Congress has been deemed irrelevant in order to avoid further shutdowns.

Who else won that bet?

Welp, off to go buy a T-80U and party like it's 1993.
lul, CCN mistook a BMP-1P for a howitzer.

The Cold War got kinda wierd between 1989 and 1998.

What is any of this? The house hasn't voted yet, the senate literally just passed the bill. The house votes at the earliest in half an hour. The rest just...don't know. No idea what you're on about.