US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Vassenor]

Incorrect. You had a non-sequitur, that AOC may (or may not) be driving "independents" away from Dems is theoretically independent and unrelated of Trump hurting his and the GOP's numbers. There are other places foe you to go other than into the arms of the Donald, you understand, not realizing that makes me question how much of an "independent" you are. But I digress, the point is you didn't debunk or argue against anything.

As for your second point, I have this to offer: "what"

They said Trumps polls would go down. I said that AOC being nuts is making many independents move towards the right and support Trump, thus making polls go up. I'm already a Right-Libertarian, it wasn't hard for me to say "she's nuts, Daddy Donald here I come.

So basically you're assuming that you are typical.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

I am more convinced than ever that I am right, the Democrats in congress want to make it easier for those persons who currently don't qualify as legal immigrants and don't qualify for any kind of asylum, to qualify as legal immigrants and qualify for asylum, thereby making illegal immigration legal immigration, open borders legal immigration, declare the emergency and build The Great Wall of Trump.

[Vassenor]

I am more convinced than ever that I am right, the Democrats in congress want to make it easier for those persons who currently don't qualify as legal immigrants and don't qualify for any kind of asylum, to qualify as legal immigrants and qualify for asylum, thereby making illegal immigration legal immigration, open borders legal immigration, declare the emergency and build The Great Wall of Trump.

And you base these assumptions on what?

Even after we've explained to you repeatedly that the wall won't work and will just waste tens of billions of taxpayer dollars.

[San Lumen]

I am more convinced than ever that I am right, the Democrats in congress want to make it easier for those persons who currently don't qualify as legal immigrants and don't qualify for any kind of asylum, to qualify as legal immigrants and qualify for asylum, thereby making illegal immigration legal immigration, open borders legal immigration, declare the emergency and build The Great Wall of Trump.

Where is your proof of this claim? A wall will do nothing. Have you ever heard of things magical things called, ships, planes, ladders and shovels?

[Puldania]

I highly doubt there won't be a shutdown.
Trump will continue to kill his 2020 chances.

[Wallenburg]

If Trump starts another shutdown, labor will strike on day 2. The people willing to put up with another month without regular pay are few and far between.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

I am more convinced than ever that I am right, the Democrats in congress want to make it easier for those persons who currently don't qualify as legal immigrants and don't qualify for any kind of asylum, to qualify as legal immigrants and qualify for asylum, thereby making illegal immigration legal immigration, open borders legal immigration, declare the emergency and build The Great Wall of Trump.

Where is your proof of this claim? A wall will do nothing. Have you ever heard of things magical things called, ships, planes, ladders and shovels?

The Great Fence of Hungary, The Great Fences of other nations, we need barriers, and zero tolerance illegal immigration laws.

[San Lumen]

Where is your proof of this claim? A wall will do nothing. Have you ever heard of things magical things called, ships, planes, ladders and shovels?

The Great Fence of Hungary, The Great Fences of other nations, we need barriers, and zero tolerance illegal immigration laws.

Yeah planes can no longer land in Paris or Budapest and family separation was a great policy right?

I haven’t heard of the great fence of France

The Great Wall Of China worked out so well didn’t it?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Haven't I? If people don't want it to be OK to fire someone for being gay, why is the DOJ trying to say it should be? Why is there an Executive Order kicking people out of the military just for being transgender? Why is there an Executive Order in the pipeline saying it's OK to deny people healthcare because they're trans, or to generally legislate them out of existence, as part of a larger pattern of the Trump administration taking a hatchet to LGBT rights?

But please, tell us more about how it's straight white males who are being discriminated against.

The Native Americans slowly lost all their holy sites and even reservations, the Africans are consistently shoved into the worst parts of cities where the very environment will kill them, the Trans are being booted out of the military (and also slowly legislated out of existence), there are whites out in the street chanting Jews belong to the oven, and the women might lose the freedom of choice over their very own bodies; but surely.It's the Straight White Cisgender males that are victims of discrimination. Don't you see?

There are also black people saying jews belong in the oven. Anti-Semitism isn't based on skin color.

And we'll ignore Nancy Pelosi calling out fellow democrats for their anti-semetic rants.
Oh hey, it isn't even limited to a single gender or political party!
-2nd longest government shutdown was over abortion-rights: Republicans were for it, Democrats were against it.

But hey, lets keep saying Trump is an anti-semite even though actions are louder than words.

As for natives having lost all land... not yet, in fact they're getting land back just as soon as solvency for BAAP is achieved.
-Or I can try pretending the reservation about 20 miles north of me doesn't exist anymore. Same for the protected burial mounds.

'scuse me while I go find another jewish-native-african-American transgender single mother to discuss this with.

There's also an executive order that requires YOU to buy a machine-gun "in the pipeline".

[Vassenor]

The Native Americans slowly lost all their holy sites and even reservations, the Africans are consistently shoved into the worst parts of cities where the very environment will kill them, the Trans are being booted out of the military (and also slowly legislated out of existence), there are whites out in the street chanting Jews belong to the oven, and the women might lose the freedom of choice over their very own bodies; but surely.It's the Straight White Cisgender males that are victims of discrimination. Don't you see?

There are also black people saying jews belong in the oven. Anti-Semitism isn't based on skin color.

And we'll ignore Nancy Pelosi calling out fellow democrats for their anti-semetic rants.
Oh hey, it isn't even limited to a single gender or political party!
-2nd longest government shutdown was over abortion-rights: Republicans were for it, Democrats were against it.

But hey, lets keep saying Trump is an anti-semite even though actions are louder than words.

As for natives having lost all land... not yet, in fact they're getting land back just as soon as solvency for BAAP is achieved.
-Or I can try pretending the reservation about 20 miles north of me doesn't exist anymore. Same for the protected burial mounds.

'scuse me while I go find another jewish-native-african-American transgender single mother to discuss this with.

There's also an executive order that requires YOU to buy a machine-gun "in the pipeline".

So basically white males are the most oppressed because you say so. Got it.

[Vassenor]

Where is your proof of this claim? A wall will do nothing. Have you ever heard of things magical things called, ships, planes, ladders and shovels?

The Great Fence of Hungary, The Great Fences of other nations, we need barriers, and zero tolerance illegal immigration laws.

So you're pulling it all right out of your ass. Got it.

[British Tackeettlaus]

I am interested to see if a renewed shutdown would result in the strengthening of collective bargaining in the US. The last shutdown ended essentially because ATC went on strike, i am hopeful that american workers will unionise and strike as soon as the government shuts down again. Maybe the working class in the USA will start to realise the amount of power that rests in their hands.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

The Great Fence of Hungary, The Great Fences of other nations, we need barriers, and zero tolerance illegal immigration laws.

Yeah planes can no longer land in Paris or Budapest and family separation was a great policy right?

I haven’t heard of the great fence of France

The Great Wall Of China worked out so well didn’t it?

Family separation of Kids from Parents were bad under President Obama, Trump and other Presidents, Obama did it too, I see no reasons why we cant keep the family units together, other than trying to deter the caring parents from sending their Kids alone first, to than say, my Kids are here now you have to make us legal, I have seen parents interviewed on the news in Spanish and they admit they sent their Kids first alone.

All nations have fences or barriers at checkpoints, what do you think they are for? Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration, and the Democrats in Congress are clearly for it, so under the Democrats intransigence on the illegal immigration negotiation issue, I say declare the emergency and build The Great Wall of Trump Barriers, even Obama requested a fence. We need zero tolerance illegal immigration laws and the Democrats in Congress are clearly against it.

[Vassenor]

Yeah planes can no longer land in Paris or Budapest and family separation was a great policy right?

I haven’t heard of the great fence of France

The Great Wall Of China worked out so well didn’t it?

Family separation of Kids from Parents were bad under President Obama, Trump and other Presidents, Obama did it too, I see no reasons why we cant keep the family units together, other than trying to deter the caring parents from sending their Kids alone first, to than say, my Kids are here now you have to make us legal, I have seen parents interviewed on the news in Spanish and they admit they sent their Kids first alone.

All nations have fences or barriers at checkpoints, what do you think they are for? Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration, and the Democrats in Congress are clearly for it, so under the Democrats intransigence on the illegal immigration negotiation issue, I say declare the emergency and build The Great Wall of Trump Barriers, even Obama requested a fence. We need zero tolerance illegal immigration laws and the Democrats in Congress are clearly against it.

Oh, there's the BUT OBAMA DID IT TOO card. Everybody drink.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

Family separation of Kids from Parents were bad under President Obama, Trump and other Presidents, Obama did it too, I see no reasons why we cant keep the family units together, other than trying to deter the caring parents from sending their Kids alone first, to than say, my Kids are here now you have to make us legal, I have seen parents interviewed on the news in Spanish and they admit they sent their Kids first alone.

All nations have fences or barriers at checkpoints, what do you think they are for? Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration, and the Democrats in Congress are clearly for it, so under the Democrats intransigence on the illegal immigration negotiation issue, I say declare the emergency and build The Great Wall of Trump Barriers, even Obama requested a fence. We need zero tolerance illegal immigration laws and the Democrats in Congress are clearly against it.

Oh, there's the BUT OBAMA DID IT TOO card. Everybody drink.

lol, I bet you did not object when Obama DID IT TOO or did you? It does not matter if Obama did it too, it matters if Trump is being accused as so bad and evil for doing it too and Obama was not accused as being bad and evil for doing it too.

[Vassenor]

Oh, there's the BUT OBAMA DID IT TOO card. Everybody drink.

lol, I bet you did not object when Obama DID IT TOO or did you? It does not matter if Obama did it too, it matters if Trump is being accused as so bad and evil for doing it too and Obama was not accused as being bad and evil for doing it too.

QED.

[British Tackeettlaus]

Oh, there's the BUT OBAMA DID IT TOO card. Everybody drink.

lol, I bet you did not object when Obama DID IT TOO or did you? It does not matter if Obama did it too, it matters if Trump is being accused as so bad and evil for doing it too and Obama was not accused as being bad and evil for doing it too.

Obama didn't do that.

[Vassenor]

lol, I bet you did not object when Obama DID IT TOO or did you? It does not matter if Obama did it too, it matters if Trump is being accused as so bad and evil for doing it too and Obama was not accused as being bad and evil for doing it too.

Obama didn't do that.

You need to stop using reality and just accept that the memes are true without question.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

Obama didn't do that.

You need to stop using reality and just accept that the memes are true without question.

Ok, ill give you the point that if he did or not is in dispute, hear Obama on immigration sounding like Trump, and Obama ended the dry foot, wet foot policy, https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pr ... =VRDGARwet and turned Cubans back at the Mexican border.

[Longweather]

Obama didn't do that.

You need to stop using reality and just accept that the memes are true without question.

Actually, your source is specifically calling out and deeming false specific numbers from a meme.

Here's an excerpt from the second to last paragraph.

That means it is not possible to make a precise statistical comparison between Obama and Trump on this specific outcome. However, immigration experts and former Homeland Security officials agree that the rate of child separation under Obama is likely nowhere close to what has been seen under Trump.

The bolded portion is a link to one of their sources which has this to say about the use of family separation by previous administrations.

Is this a new immigration enforcement policy?

Not completely. The George W. Bush administration implemented Operation Streamline in 2005, which also referred many people who violated these provisions for prosecution in federal courts, although the majority of prosecutions were for the felony charge of illegal re-entry and not for first-time offenders. The Obama administration continued and expanded the policy through 2014, but later shifted its enforcement priorities towards targeting specific criminal populations.

The Obama administration also used family separation when they prosecuted immigration offenses as a deterrent against illegal border crossings after 2014 as more children and families fled violence in Central American countries. However, immigration advocates allege that the new zero-tolerance policy against immigration violations will cause more families to be separated than before, with some claiming to have witnessed an increase in family separations since June 2017.

This clearly says that the Obama administration separated families. Not as much as your Snopes article was debunking, but it definitely implies a nonzero figure.

So... maybe you need to actually read your sources.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

There are also black people saying jews belong in the oven. Anti-Semitism isn't based on skin color.

And we'll ignore Nancy Pelosi calling out fellow democrats for their anti-semetic rants.
Oh hey, it isn't even limited to a single gender or political party!
-2nd longest government shutdown was over abortion-rights: Republicans were for it, Democrats were against it.

But hey, lets keep saying Trump is an anti-semite even though actions are louder than words.

As for natives having lost all land... not yet, in fact they're getting land back just as soon as solvency for BAAP is achieved.
-Or I can try pretending the reservation about 20 miles north of me doesn't exist anymore. Same for the protected burial mounds.

'scuse me while I go find another jewish-native-african-American transgender single mother to discuss this with.

There's also an executive order that requires YOU to buy a machine-gun "in the pipeline".

So basically white males are the most oppressed because you say so. Got it.

It's not a competition to see who is victimized more, is it?

It's not a competition anyone wants to win, so nobody should be trying to win victimization-points.

"Victimized Group B cannot complain about victimization because Group A is more victimized"

"No, GROUP C IS MORE VICTIMIZED AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS HITLER!"

"Can you prove that?"

"[Shows data for victimization of Group D, which nobody was previously talking about at all]"

Ergo ad nauseum.

Can we please get back on topic now?

The Great Fence of Hungary, The Great Fences of other nations, we need barriers, and zero tolerance illegal immigration laws.

Yeah planes can no longer land in Paris or Budapest and family separation was a great policy right?

I haven’t heard of the great fence of France

The Great Wall Of China worked out so well didn’t it?

Maginot line called.

The Russian fortified positions and armored trains along the Bakail-Amur Mainline against Chinese aggression apprear to be functional.

Here's a list

Bangladesh built a 3000 km one for only $800 million

[San Lumen]

Yeah planes can no longer land in Paris or Budapest and family separation was a great policy right?

I haven’t heard of the great fence of France

The Great Wall Of China worked out so well didn’t it?

Family separation of Kids from Parents were bad under President Obama, Trump and other Presidents, Obama did it too, I see no reasons why we cant keep the family units together, other than trying to deter the caring parents from sending their Kids alone first, to than say, my Kids are here now you have to make us legal, I have seen parents interviewed on the news in Spanish and they admit they sent their Kids first alone.

All nations have fences or barriers at checkpoints, what do you think they are for? Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration, and the Democrats in Congress are clearly for it, so under the Democrats intransigence on the illegal immigration negotiation issue, I say declare the emergency and build The Great Wall of Trump Barriers, even Obama requested a fence. We need zero tolerance illegal immigration laws and the Democrats in Congress are clearly against it.

Declaring a emergency is very flimsy legal ground. Congress gets to decide how many is spent not the President.

And are people not going to be able to take planes or ships to enter the country? A wall will also do nothing to stop the drug trade.

[Thermodolia]

Their weird obsession with a freshman House member is turning someone who would have been a secondary headline into a folk hero.

When someone is proposing and supporting communist ideals, and is endorsed by Corey Booker, I really don't care how long she's been in office.

She’s hardly supporting communist ideals. Misunderstood social democracy most definitely

[Thermodolia]

If Trump starts another shutdown, labor will strike on day 2. The people willing to put up with another month without regular pay are few and far between.

I hope all unions and union dominated industries strike out of solidarity.

Think of it. No trains, no trucks, no airplanes, all ports shutdown. The economy would come to a grinding halt and Trump would either be forced to concede or call out the military and turn this general strike into a full blown revolution.

[Thermodolia]

So basically white males are the most oppressed because you say so. Got it.

It's not a competition to see who is victimized more, is it?

It's not a competition anyone wants to win, so nobody should be trying to win victimization-points.

"Victimized Group B cannot complain about victimization because Group A is more victimized"

"No, GROUP C IS MORE VICTIMIZED AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS HITLER!"

"Can you prove that?"

"[Shows data for victimization of Group D, which nobody was previously talking about at all]"

Ergo ad nauseum.

Can we please get back on topic now?

Yeah planes can no longer land in Paris or Budapest and family separation was a great policy right?

I haven’t heard of the great fence of France

The Great Wall Of China worked out so well didn’t it?

Maginot line called.

The Russian fortified positions and armored trains along the Bakail-Amur Mainline against Chinese aggression apprear to be functional.

Here's a list

Bangladesh built a 3000 km one for only $800 million

I don’t think Americans want either a fortified military border like the Maginot Line or an inner German border style wall on the southern border. Mainly because those are either built for war or to keep people in