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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
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No
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:28 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Not until the nazis actually physically assault someone. Here in the States, even nazis have the right to free speech.

How far you have fallen.

That's how they started off. You see, very clever people wrote the constitution and they thought that the government deciding what could and couldn't be said was bad.

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:32 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:How far you have fallen.

That's how they started off. You see, very clever people wrote the constitution and they thought that the government deciding what could and couldn't be said was bad.


It is bad.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:33 am

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Even the pope has stated he would take a swing at people who insult his mother. I daresay that nazis are several orders of magnitude worse

But no punching at all?


Not until the nazis actually physically assault someone. Here in the States, even nazis have the right to free speech.


Which just means that the state can't stop them speaking. Nothing about private citizens.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:33 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:How far you have fallen.

That's how they started off. You see, very clever people wrote the constitution and they thought that the government deciding what could and couldn't be said was bad.


Good thing I'm not a federal employee.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:34 am

Vassenor wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Not until the nazis actually physically assault someone. Here in the States, even nazis have the right to free speech.


Which just means that the state can't stop them speaking. Nothing about private citizens.

You see, that's called a 'crime against the person.' If you assault someone, that gives you a criminal record, and depending on the severety, some time in the prison cels.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:35 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:That's how they started off. You see, very clever people wrote the constitution and they thought that the government deciding what could and couldn't be said was bad.


It is bad.

very bad

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:35 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Which just means that the state can't stop them speaking. Nothing about private citizens.

You see, that's called a 'crime against the person.' If you assault someone, that gives you a criminal record, and depending on the severety, some time in the prison cels.


Fighting words.
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:35 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Well, I mean...they should all be legalised and regulated anyway so no


Legalize meth and cocaine?

No.


It's the single most effective way to reduce use of them.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:36 am

Vassenor wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Not until the nazis actually physically assault someone. Here in the States, even nazis have the right to free speech.


Which just means that the state can't stop them speaking. Nothing about private citizens.


The only thing a private citizen can legally do is ignore them. Or commit assault I suppose. Of course the latter gives the nazi legal reason for self defense.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:38 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:You see, that's called a 'crime against the person.' If you assault someone, that gives you a criminal record, and depending on the severety, some time in the prison cels.


Fighting words.

Can be considered a crime but are not a recognised defence, unless such words were of a personal nature, in which case it may reduce the severety of the crime but not wipe it out entirely.

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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:40 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Which just means that the state can't stop them speaking. Nothing about private citizens.


The only thing a private citizen can legally do is ignore them. Or commit assault I suppose. Of course the latter gives the nazi legal reason for self defense.


Or out-shout them.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:42 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
The only thing a private citizen can legally do is ignore them. Or commit assault I suppose. Of course the latter gives the nazi legal reason for self defense.


Or out-shout them.

But not if to do so would require trespass, like on a private event.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:43 am

So guys that goverment shutdown is bad
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:44 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:So guys that goverment shutdown is bad

Source?

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:45 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:So guys that goverment shutdown is bad

Source?


Coastguard and other federal employees not geting payed for a month.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:47 am

Funny how the outcome is always "Nazis must be allowed to do whatever they want".

Didn't work out in the 30s so what makes you think it'll work now?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:50 am

Vassenor wrote:Funny how the outcome is always "Nazis must be allowed to do whatever they want".

Didn't work out in the 30s so what makes you think it'll work now?

My outcome is 'don't punch people, punching people is against the law, there is a reason for that.'

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:51 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Source?


Coastguard and other federal employees not geting payed for a month.

Aren't the coastguard part of the security services though? Surely they could find other jobs that don't involve that?

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Postby The Grims » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:53 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Source?


Coastguard and other federal employees not geting payed for a month.


Civilians and business that need to obtain licences/stateloans/etc also have a problem.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:54 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Coastguard and other federal employees not geting payed for a month.

Aren't the coastguard part of the security services though? Surely they could find other jobs that don't involve that?

They shouldn't need to find another job. There curent job should pay them for the hours they worked.

But thats not happing beacuse Trump wants a wall.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:56 am

Big Jim P wrote:
The Grims wrote:
Even the pope has stated he would take a swing at people who insult his mother. I daresay that nazis are several orders of magnitude worse

But no punching at all?


Not until the nazis actually physically assault someone. Here in the States, even nazis have the right to free speech.


That's too far.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:So guys that goverment shutdown is bad

Source?


Why you need source?
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:59 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Coastguard and other federal employees not geting payed for a month.

Aren't the coastguard part of the security services though? Surely they could find other jobs that don't involve that?

Problem is, they could be called back to work at literally any point.

Either they stay with the coastguard and wait on tender hooks for the deal that could happen without much warning, or they could leave, find another job (doubtful btw), and when the deal is made suddenly the coast guard is severely understaffed.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:59 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Aren't the coastguard part of the security services though? Surely they could find other jobs that don't involve that?

They shouldn't need to find another job. There curent job should pay them for the hours they worked.

But thats not happing beacuse Trump wants a wall.

No, their current jobs shouldn't exist.

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:01 am

Vassenor wrote:Funny how the outcome is always "Nazis must be allowed to do whatever they want".

Didn't work out in the 30s so what makes you think it'll work now?


Exactly who here has said that?

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:01 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:They shouldn't need to find another job. There curent job should pay them for the hours they worked.

But thats not happing beacuse Trump wants a wall.

No, their current jobs shouldn't exist.

Thats a stupid statement.
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