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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
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77%
No
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Total votes : 134

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:25 pm

Loben wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:You are talking to the person who started the 'should we ban fishing' thread

ah yes, ban fishing.

might as well ban hunting and farming too.


If the shutdown keeps on for much longer his base will start losing their farms
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San Lumen wrote:without butterflies you have no flowers in your garden or neighborhood park


Bees.


Butterflies pollinate too

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:26 pm

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So what actually makes it a good idea outside of the "OWN TEH LIBZ" factor?


pelosi hates it and probably makes chuck shit his drawers.


So nothing then.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:26 pm

Loben wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:You are talking to the person who started the 'should we ban fishing' thread

ah yes, ban fishing.

might as well ban hunting and farming too.


How about we commit not alive collectively as a species because of the poor wittle butterflies?

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Postby Loben » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:26 pm

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*a fucking butterfly sanctuary*.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPjUH6abrX0

I think this should be reason enough for Trump to push planners to reconsider their route across the border. :rofl:


i mean a simple reinforced fence with razorwire and electric fencing should so.

and maybe a lot of guard towers....

and some NG.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:You are talking to the person who started the 'should we ban fishing' thread

without butterflies you have no flowers in your garden or neighborhood park

I can't fucking see the flowers, that's not the highest thing on my personal priority list.
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Postby Loben » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:27 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Loben wrote:ah yes, ban fishing.

might as well ban hunting and farming too.


How about we commit not alive collectively as a species because of the poor wittle butterflies?


i mean we could always move the sanctuary to california.

californians love that shit.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:27 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
San Lumen wrote:without butterflies you have no flowers in your garden or neighborhood park

I can't fucking see the flowers, that's not the highest thing on my personal priority list.

Yeah lets endanger plants for a stupid wall

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:28 pm

Loben wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:You are talking to the person who started the 'should we ban fishing' thread

ah yes, ban fishing.

might as well ban hunting and farming too.

Anarcho-primitivism is gaining traction.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:28 pm

Loben wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Pelosi already did


not gonna lie pelosi telling me to stuff it would seem like a complement.

if she fucking hates it, chances are its probably a decent idea.

It isn't.

It's a useless waste of money that would be better spent anywhere else.

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Postby Lockdownn » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loben wrote:ah yes, ban fishing.

might as well ban hunting and farming too.


If the shutdown keeps on for much longer his base will start losing their farms

Not that it's a good thing, but it would certainly make a case for an "I told you so" moment if they weren't busy blaming the wrong people that started this whole mess.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I can't fucking see the flowers, that's not the highest thing on my personal priority list.

Yeah lets endanger plants for a stupid wall

Can you give me the list of the plants that will be endangered by the construction of the wall or the relocation of the national butterfly sanctuary? I didn't even know this thing existed until now and I just pray it doesn't et federal funding.
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Postby Loben » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:29 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Loben wrote:
not gonna lie pelosi telling me to stuff it would seem like a complement.

if she fucking hates it, chances are its probably a decent idea.

It isn't.

It's a useless waste of money that would be better spent anywhere else.


5.7 billion USD wouldnt get you much.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:29 pm

Lockdownn wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If the shutdown keeps on for much longer his base will start losing their farms

Not that it's a good thing, but it would certainly make a case for an "I told you so" moment if they weren't busy blaming the wrong people that started this whole mess.

I didnt say it was a good thing

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Lockdownn wrote:Not that it's a good thing, but it would certainly make a case for an "I told you so" moment if they weren't busy blaming the wrong people that started this whole mess.

I didnt say it was a good thing

We shouldn't be giving handouts to those farms anyway. Most of the money goes to large corporations with enough to spare.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:32 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I didnt say it was a good thing

We shouldn't be giving handouts to those farms anyway. Most of the money goes to large corporations with enough to spare.


Id rather not see food shortages

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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:We shouldn't be giving handouts to those farms anyway. Most of the money goes to large corporations with enough to spare.


Id rather not see food shortages


... But ban all commercial fishing?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:33 pm

Loben wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:It isn't.

It's a useless waste of money that would be better spent anywhere else.


5.7 billion USD wouldnt get you much.


You could spend that 5.7 Billion USD on building tax free houses for homeless veterans.

It would go farther than spending it on a wall.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:We shouldn't be giving handouts to those farms anyway. Most of the money goes to large corporations with enough to spare.


Id rather not see food shortages

I'd rather not see taxpayer money end up in the coffers of large corporations. Food shortages aren't that simple to trigger.
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Postby Lockdownn » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Lockdownn wrote:Not that it's a good thing, but it would certainly make a case for an "I told you so" moment if they weren't busy blaming the wrong people that started this whole mess.

I didnt say it was a good thing

I didn't mean to say that you said it. I was explaining that it might be a "good thing" to remind those people that the person that caused that was the person they voted for.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:34 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Id rather not see food shortages

I'd rather not see taxpayer money end up in the coffers of large corporations. Food shortages aren't that simple to trigger.

Those subsidies are not going to large corporations. They are going to farmers who treat their animals with dignity unlike some corporations
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:We shouldn't be giving handouts to those farms anyway. Most of the money goes to large corporations with enough to spare.


Id rather not see food shortages

Weren't you the guy who proposed imposing ridiculously harsh regulations on those selfsame farms, rejected an implementation period because 'we don't have enough time,' and dismissed the 'but we would all starve' argument?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I'd rather not see taxpayer money end up in the coffers of large corporations. Food shortages aren't that simple to trigger.

Those subsidies are not going to large corporations. They are going to farmers who treat their animals with dignity unlike some corporations


Have... Have you ever worked on a farm?
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Postby Lockdownn » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:36 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I didnt say it was a good thing

We shouldn't be giving handouts to those farms anyway. Most of the money goes to large corporations with enough to spare.

Ah yes, handouts. So much for keeping a steady supply of food.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:37 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Those subsidies are not going to large corporations. They are going to farmers who treat their animals with dignity unlike some corporations


Have... Have you ever worked on a farm?

Animals die on farms. Yes, that includes cute fluffy kittens. A poem was written on the subject.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I'd rather not see taxpayer money end up in the coffers of large corporations. Food shortages aren't that simple to trigger.

Those subsidies are not going to large corporations. They are going to farmers who treat their animals with dignity unlike some corporations

You couldn't be more laughably wrong about that.
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