US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't think either side is actually to blame here. I just think that both have campaigned on opposite issues, it's come to the point where they must engage in a standoff and the question is who blinks first. Neither the man who low-income americans voted for last time around or the party they usually vote for seems to care a lot about them though.

Ah, yes. I do remember how absolutely no bill was passed with bipartisan support and then vetoed by the president which in turn didn't cause the senate majority leader to turn around and block any bill from entering the senate floor that wouldn't get the express approval of the president because he's up for reelection.

Tell me again how it's not the fault of one side in particular?
Let me be clear, compromise at this point is in the hands of both controlling parties and both can and should be blamed for parts in this situation, but let's not forget who explicitly stated that he would take blame and "the mantle" in its entirety for causing the government to shut down.

Are you aware that the 3 pillars of government are supposed to be equal?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Ah, yes. I do remember how absolutely no bill was passed with bipartisan support and then vetoed by the president which in turn didn't cause the senate majority leader to turn around and block any bill from entering the senate floor that wouldn't get the express approval of the president because he's up for reelection.

Tell me again how it's not the fault of one side in particular?
Let me be clear, compromise at this point is in the hands of both controlling parties and both can and should be blamed for parts in this situation, but let's not forget who explicitly stated that he would take blame and "the mantle" in its entirety for causing the government to shut down.

So he alone should end it.

I assume that means 'so he should backtrack on his election promise and cave into everything the democrats demand?'

[San Lumen]

So he alone should end it.

I assume that means 'so he should backtrack on his election promise and cave into everything the democrats demand?'

Yes because Pelosi isnt giving him his stupid wall

[Lockdownn]

Ah, yes. I do remember how absolutely no bill was passed with bipartisan support and then vetoed by the president which in turn didn't cause the senate majority leader to turn around and block any bill from entering the senate floor that wouldn't get the express approval of the president because he's up for reelection.

Tell me again how it's not the fault of one side in particular?
Let me be clear, compromise at this point is in the hands of both controlling parties and both can and should be blamed for parts in this situation, but let's not forget who explicitly stated that he would take blame and "the mantle" in its entirety for causing the government to shut down.

Are you aware that the 3 pillars of government are supposed to be equal?

This has to do with my statement because?

[Des-Bal]

I assume that means 'so he should backtrack on his election promise and cave into everything the democrats demand?'

The entire standoff is because he's backtracking on his election promise- he wants congress to budget for the wall because Mexico isn't going to pay for it.

[Galloism]

Look at Trump "compromising"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpos ... 5a7b656908
He offered three years of "protection" for some immigrants in turn for that $5.7 billion.

Hope they tell him to stuff it.

[Lockdownn]

So he alone should end it.

I assume that means 'so he should backtrack on his election promise and cave into everything the democrats demand?'

He can continue his petty arguing without forcing 800,000 Americans to live without pay you know.

[Northern Davincia]

I assume that means 'so he should backtrack on his election promise and cave into everything the democrats demand?'

He can continue his petty arguing without forcing 800,000 Americans to live without pay you know.

We should just fire them.

[San Lumen]

Look at Trump "compromising"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpos ... 5a7b656908
He offered three years of "protection" for some immigrants in turn for that $5.7 billion.

Hope they tell him to stuff it.

Pelosi already did

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I assume that means 'so he should backtrack on his election promise and cave into everything the democrats demand?'

Yes because Pelosi isnt giving him his stupid wall

Translation: Yes because that would mean my side wins by default

[San Lumen]

Yes because Pelosi isnt giving him his stupid wall

Translation: Yes because that would mean my side wins by default

The wall doesnt have the votes to pass either chamber

[Loben]

Hope they tell him to stuff it.

Pelosi already did

not gonna lie pelosi telling me to stuff it would seem like a complement.

if she fucking hates it, chances are its probably a decent idea.

[Vassenor]

Pelosi already did

not gonna lie pelosi telling me to stuff it would seem like a complement.

if she fucking hates it, chances are its probably a decent idea.

So what actually makes it a good idea outside of the "OWN TEH LIBZ" factor?

[San Lumen]

Pelosi already did

not gonna lie pelosi telling me to stuff it would seem like a complement.

if she fucking hates it, chances are its probably a decent idea.

So do you support endangering migration patterns of hundreds of species and bulldozing the National Butterfly Sanctuary to build a stupid unneeded wall? Go ask China how well building a border wall worked out.

There are also these things called planes, ships, shovels and ladders perhaps you've heard of them?

[Loben]

not gonna lie pelosi telling me to stuff it would seem like a complement.

if she fucking hates it, chances are its probably a decent idea.

So what actually makes it a good idea outside of the "OWN TEH LIBZ" factor?

pelosi hates it and probably makes chuck shit his drawers.

[Loben]

not gonna lie pelosi telling me to stuff it would seem like a complement.

if she fucking hates it, chances are its probably a decent idea.

So do you support endangering migration patterns of hundreds of species and bulldozing the National Butterfly Sanctuary to build a stupid unneeded wall? Go ask China how well building a border wall worked out.

There are also these things called planes, ships, shovels and ladders perhaps you've heard of them?

*a fucking butterfly sanctuary*.

[San Lumen]

So do you support endangering migration patterns of hundreds of species and bulldozing the National Butterfly Sanctuary to build a stupid unneeded wall? Go ask China how well building a border wall worked out.

There are also these things called planes, ships, shovels and ladders perhaps you've heard of them?

*a fucking butterfly sanctuary*.

Butterflies are the reason you have flowers in your yard or neighborhood park.

[Lockdownn]

Pelosi already did

not gonna lie pelosi telling me to stuff it would seem like a complement.

if she fucking hates it, chances are its probably a decent idea.

The thing is, it kind of is a decent idea. Not to stop drugs, the majority pass through ports of entry, but it would prevent some people from crossing over the southern border unchecked.

On the other side, you still have people over staying their visas while in the US and the environmental and land ownership issues are certainly something that needs to be addressed before it is continued.

[Loben]

*a fucking butterfly sanctuary*.

Butterflies are the reason you have flowers in your yard or neighborhood park.

a fucking sanctuary.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So do you support endangering migration patterns of hundreds of species and bulldozing the National Butterfly Sanctuary to build a stupid unneeded wall? Go ask China how well building a border wall worked out.

There are also these things called planes, ships, shovels and ladders perhaps you've heard of them?

*a fucking butterfly sanctuary*.

You are talking to the person who started the 'should we ban fishing' thread

[Western Vale Confederacy]

So do you support endangering migration patterns of hundreds of species and bulldozing the National Butterfly Sanctuary to build a stupid unneeded wall? Go ask China how well building a border wall worked out.

There are also these things called planes, ships, shovels and ladders perhaps you've heard of them?

*a fucking butterfly sanctuary*.

Butterflies, the one argument that will make ol' Don throw himself on the ground and plead for mercy about his mistakes.

[San Lumen]

*a fucking butterfly sanctuary*.

You are talking to the person who started the 'should we ban fishing' thread

without butterflies you have no flowers in your garden or neighborhood park

[Loben]

*a fucking butterfly sanctuary*.

You are talking to the person who started the 'should we ban fishing' thread

ah yes, ban fishing.

might as well ban hunting and farming too.

[Loben]

You are talking to the person who started the 'should we ban fishing' thread

without butterflies you have no flowers in your garden or neighborhood park

Bees.

[Lockdownn]

So do you support endangering migration patterns of hundreds of species and bulldozing the National Butterfly Sanctuary to build a stupid unneeded wall? Go ask China how well building a border wall worked out.

There are also these things called planes, ships, shovels and ladders perhaps you've heard of them?

*a fucking butterfly sanctuary*.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPjUH6abrX0

I think this should be reason enough for Trump to push planners to reconsider their route across the border.