US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[New haven america]

Or, y'know, we could make shit more comprehensive and make it so that people looking for better opportunities elsewhere can do so legally and easily...

That would fall under "streamlining and reforming the immigration/asylum systems", which is a connected, but different can of worms to deal with.

I know.

However, other than completely closing off the US' borders, I can't come up with any way to make the border more secure. The US is already one of the strictest and most difficult countries to immigrate to, both legally and illegally.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Oh ffs! Listen very carefully, you're evidently having extreme issues understanding this - The. Wall. Won't. Work. It isn't securing our borders, end of. To assert otherwise is downright foolish and deluded at this point.




And the notion that the wall won’t completely work is completely fucking retarded and dishonest. But not to where it’s worth 7 billion. The wall was never meant to fully stop illegal migration anyways.

So what makes you support the notion of funding this wall if you know it's never going to stop illegal migration? The problem is not with USA, it's with the countries where the illegal migration happened. I'm talking about Central America.

[The Lone Alliance]

Should just make a giant wall of solar panels instead.

Easy green energy.

So what makes you support the notion of funding this wall if you know it's never going to stop illegal migration? The problem is not with USA, it's with the countries where the illegal migration happened. I'm talking about Central America.

And you can't fix those countries cause that'd be violating their sovereignty. Unless you're advocating Neo Colonialism.

[Corrian]

McConnell has his priorities straight...

He was also going on about how Democrats anti-corruption bill was designed to favor one party and they should be focusing on negotiating on the shutdown???

Says the guy who basically didn't exist the other day.

[Corrian]

Shutdown Threatens To Stall Recovery In Wildfire-Ravaged Paradise, Calif.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Should just make a giant wall of solar panels instead.

Easy green energy.

So what makes you support the notion of funding this wall if you know it's never going to stop illegal migration? The problem is not with USA, it's with the countries where the illegal migration happened. I'm talking about Central America.

And you can't fix those countries cause that'd be violating their sovereignty. Unless you're advocating Neo Colonialism.

We actually curtailed the Honduran migrant crisis with increased foreign aid

[The Lone Alliance]

We actually curtailed the Honduran migrant crisis with increased foreign aid

That's a bad precedent.

How long before they send another group of migrants in order to get more free cash?

If you have to bribe a third world country to not suck then there's something wrong here.

But that seems to be most US foreign policy.

[Internationalist Bastard]

We actually curtailed the Honduran migrant crisis with increased foreign aid

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That's a bad precedent.

How long before they send another group of migrants in order to get more free cash?

If you have to bribe a third world country to not suck then there's something wrong here.

I think the logic is more of an investment, since crime rates actually dropped in the country afterwords

[Corrian]

So it appears that the 90% of us are going to be correct.

[Confederate States of German America]

McConnell has his priorities straight...

He was also going on about how Democrats anti-corruption bill was designed to favor one party and they should be focusing on negotiating on the shutdown???

Says the guy who basically didn't exist the other day.

The Caseys of Pennsylvania continue to show why I would vote for them.

[San Lumen]

Shutdown Threatens To Stall Recovery In Wildfire-Ravaged Paradise, Calif.

I don't thunk Trump cares as California didnt vote him or his preferred candidate in the midterms

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Shutdown Threatens To Stall Recovery In Wildfire-Ravaged Paradise, Calif.

I don't thunk Trump cares as California didnt vote him or his preferred candidate in the midterms

To be fair, not many Americans hold California close to their hearts anyways.

[Confederate States of German America]

I don't thunk Trump cares as California didnt vote him or his preferred candidate in the midterms

To be fair, not many Americans hold California close to their hearts anyways.

I once wrote an entire story where we move all the Canadians there and make it a "new" Canada in exchange for the old Canada being annexed.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Here's where I'm confused and I'm having a little bit of trouble working it out, I've tried timelines and such and the answer to my specific point where I'm broken, my google fu is failing me.

The senate, prior to the shutdown, had passed a compromise bill that included $1.7 billion for updating our border security, just not a wall. It also funded the gubment until February or something like that. Trump said that was okay, Coulter called him a pussy, he said he wasn't into it anymore, so the house passed a spending bill with the wall money. Okay, house and senate bills have to reconcile, the Senate did not have the votes for a wall funding bill, the house for one without it.

What I thought I heard, and this is where I get lost, is one of the first things that Pelosi did was put the Senate's compromise up and pass it. What I think that means is that there is a spending bill that has now passed both chambers and is up to Trump to veto. But I haven't seen mention of Trump vetoing anything, just that he will if it doesn't have the wall money in it. Is there a procedural hurdle that the Senate bill that the House passed when they went into session, can there be a push to force that bill to the desk and then back for an over-ride vote? Or does someone have better google fu and can link me to a good time line and I can look this up myself?

A veto is simply not signing something into law amidst a pile of other paperwork and Trump's Twitter workload.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Should just make a giant wall of solar panels instead.

Easy green energy.

So what makes you support the notion of funding this wall if you know it's never going to stop illegal migration? The problem is not with USA, it's with the countries where the illegal migration happened. I'm talking about Central America.

And you can't fix those countries cause that'd be violating their sovereignty. Unless you're advocating Neo Colonialism.

But it's the USA that brought the foreign conflicts to the Central America in the first place. Like the existence of UFC and meddling in the domestic affairs.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Should just make a giant wall of solar panels instead.

Easy green energy.



And you can't fix those countries cause that'd be violating their sovereignty. Unless you're advocating Neo Colonialism.

We actually curtailed the Honduran migrant crisis with increased foreign aid

But will those foreign aid directed to the right sectors? Or just to be put inside the pockets of the Honduran leaders?

[The Lone Alliance]

The Petty Offensive: Return Fire.

President Donald Trump said Thursday he was denying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi a military plane for a trip to Afghanistan and other countries that was set to begin in the afternoon, a tit-for-tat retaliation that deepened the divide between the leaders and brought the government no closer to reopening.
The move, apparently in response to Pelosi's letter a day earlier suggesting the President reschedule his State of the Union address, made for high drama but little substance in the ongoing back-and-forth over border security.
As the partial government shutdown stretches nearly a month, the back-and-forth reflects a West Wing angling for the upper hand in a standoff with newly powerful Democrats.

Oh it gets even better, apparently he did this while she was sitting on the bus on the way to the airport in DC, he waited until she had packed all her bags up, had gotten everything together, told her servants or what not she'd be gone all week, and had all her travel plans in order, then he yanks the rug out from under her while she's on the way to the airport.

Got to admit, he got her good, but it could have been worse, he could have waited until she was in Afghanistan and then trapped her there.... that'd been even worse and possibly downright dangerous.

But will those foreign aid directed to the right sectors? Or just to be put inside the pockets of the Honduran leaders?

Yes.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

The Petty Offensive: Return Fire.

Oh it gets even better, apparently he did this while she was sitting on the bus on the way to the airport in DC, he waited until she had packed all her bags up, had gotten everything together, told her servants or what not she'd be gone all week, and had all her travel plans in order, then he yanks the rug out from under her while she's on the way to the airport.

Got to admit, he got her good, but it could have been worse, he could have waited until she was in Afghanistan and then trapped her there.... that'd been even worse and possibly downright dangerous.

We actually curtailed the Honduran migrant crisis with increased foreign aid

But will those foreign aid directed to the right sectors? Or just to be put inside the pockets of the Honduran leaders?

Yes.[/quote]

Ah, the good old-fashioned Mathematician's Answer.

[Confederate States of German America]

Oh it gets even better, apparently he did this while she was sitting on the bus on the way to the airport in DC, he waited until she had packed all her bags up, had gotten everything together, told her servants or what not she'd be gone all week, and had all her travel plans in order, then he yanks the rug out from under her while she's on the way to the airport.

Got to admit, he got her good, but it could have been worse, he could have waited until she was in Afghanistan and then trapped her there.... that'd been even worse and possibly downright dangerous.

It was an epic comeback to an obvious powerplay, I think everybody can agree on that.

[The Alma Mater]

Got to admit, he got her good, but it could have been worse, he could have waited until she was in Afghanistan and then trapped her there.... that'd been even worse and possibly downright dangerous.

One wonders if Trump actually thought of that himself and the media backlash it would have caused.. or that it is coincidence he did not go that far.

[The Alma Mater]

Oh it gets even better, apparently he did this while she was sitting on the bus on the way to the airport in DC, he waited until she had packed all her bags up, had gotten everything together, told her servants or what not she'd be gone all week, and had all her travel plans in order, then he yanks the rug out from under her while she's on the way to the airport.

Got to admit, he got her good, but it could have been worse, he could have waited until she was in Afghanistan and then trapped her there.... that'd been even worse and possibly downright dangerous.

It was an epic comeback to an obvious powerplay, I think everybody can agree on that.

Well, yes and no.
One the one hand it made Trumps wiener look bigger than Pelosis.
On the other hand it made the USA look pathetic in Afghanistan.

[The Lone Alliance]

Double posted

[The Lone Alliance]

Ah, the good old-fashioned Mathematician's Answer.

I'm sure like most foreign aid it did. But the leftovers were enough to slightly lower crime, or bribe whoever was creating the Caravans.

But it's the USA that brought the foreign conflicts to the Central America in the first place. Like the existence of UFC and meddling in the domestic affairs.

And so did the Soviets, and the Europeans and so on and so forth, everyone has meddled in things.

Got to admit, he got her good, but it could have been worse, he could have waited until she was in Afghanistan and then trapped her there.... that'd been even worse and possibly downright dangerous.

One wonders if Trump actually thought of that himself and the media backlash it would have caused.. or that it is coincidence he did not go that far.

Well it's pretty clear he engineered this for a media backlash, he's using their anger to once again "Prove" that they're "Working for the Democratic Party".

Plus if Pelosi was trapped in Afghanistan there's no way she could "Cave" to him even if she did cave. What likely would have happened is she would have said "Alright I'll vote for your wall" fly on back to the US and then go "Changed my mind JK".

Well, yes and no.
One the one hand it made Trumps wiener look bigger than Pelosis.
On the other hand it made the USA look pathetic in Afghanistan.

We're never going to win in Afghanistan anyway so that's a moot point.

[Confederate States of German America]

We had the chance to win Afghanistan at one point, but that ship has since sailed. Best thing to do now is arrange for a managed transition and try to get the Taliban to keep the Chinese out while burning the poppy crops like they use to.

[Kowani]

We had the chance to win Afghanistan at one point, but that ship has since sailed. Best thing to do now is arrange for a managed transition and try to get the Taliban to keep the Chinese out while burning the poppy crops like they use to.

Or, we subsidize farmers who destroy their poppy harvests and give them seeds to plant other crops to avoid economically destroying the country.