US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Maineiacs]

The Petty Offensive: Return Fire.

President Donald Trump said Thursday he was denying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi a military plane for a trip to Afghanistan and other countries that was set to begin in the afternoon, a tit-for-tat retaliation that deepened the divide between the leaders and brought the government no closer to reopening.
The move, apparently in response to Pelosi's letter a day earlier suggesting the President reschedule his State of the Union address, made for high drama but little substance in the ongoing back-and-forth over border security.
As the partial government shutdown stretches nearly a month, the back-and-forth reflects a West Wing angling for the upper hand in a standoff with newly powerful Democrats.

Oh Nancy. Did you honestly think you could out-petty him? You're out of your weight class, girl. There is not, never has been, and never will be anyone more petty and vindictive than Donald J. Trump.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I'm sure "you'll get paid eventually" will be a big comfort to them when they can't pay their rent at the end of the month.

That’d be funny.

No it wouldn't.

That's tragic.

I feel like this is turning into the McConnell Shutdown because Jesus Christ he keeps not allowing even a vote, and I'm pretty sure the House bills would pass if it went up to a vote.

The other senators could stage a mutiny I think and overrule him but they are too afraid of their base which is why this shutdown will likely last months. In my view you could end it tomorrow if the TSA, IRS and ATC walked off the job in masse. It would end within an hour.

Now your talking my language.

[Chernoslavia]

1. No you just hope a lot of them don’t in hopes to further more outrage.

Conclusion not supported.

2. You know you’re just being silly when I think you’re being paranoid. But you know what? You go be miserable all you want. But for the rest of us, life will just go on like it always has before the shutdown.

Except for the millions of people affected by the shutdown. But as long as it's not you, right?

3. And I don’t want the left to prolong it.

Your mess, you clean it up.

4. If the left is certain (and so am I) that this wall will not reduce enough illegal migration from occurring then let him have the wall and watch it’s ineffectiveness blow up in his face. And do not come at me with “it’s too expensive!”

Not how anything has worked ever.

Trump already approved back pay for federal workers so once again, they’re going to get paid like they always have. And to call this a “national crisis” is retarded and borderline fear mongering.

And the other 320 million are going about their lives. And some of those workers aren’t even that essential.

Lol no, you don’t get to add to the problem and then claim innocence. Dems don’t want to end their petty pissing contest with the man so they accept part of the blame. Man the fuck up and take responsibility.

It is most certainly how things worked, that’s politics. Never interrupt your opponent when he’s about to make a mistake.

[Chernoslavia]

No I’m thinking that you lot should quit your fucking pissing contest with him. You know the left is far from innocent in this.

Innocent in building a useless wall that is built on poorly veiled racism and a complete misunderstanding of immigration issues?

No, we're pretty innocent in that regard.

Oh ffs! Listen carefully - Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!

Sure about as innocent as someone adding fuel to a fire.

[Valrifell]

Innocent in building a useless wall that is built on poorly veiled racism and a complete misunderstanding of immigration issues?

No, we're pretty innocent in that regard.

Oh ffs! Listen carefully - Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!

Sure about as innocent as someone adding fuel to a fire.

Oh ffs! Listen very carefully, you're evidently having extreme issues understanding this - The. Wall. Won't. Work. It isn't securing our borders, end of. To assert otherwise is downright foolish and deluded at this point.

The compromise budgets proposed and passed by the Democratic House have included increased spending for border security but stop full sale at the wall because it simply won't work. It's utterly useless and a monument that says something, and it isn't saying "we love immigrants!"

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Oh ffs! Listen carefully - Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!

Sure about as innocent as someone adding fuel to a fire.

The wall wouldn’t stop anything, although it would partially block your view if you lived in the border.

[Chernoslavia]

Oh ffs! Listen carefully - Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!

Sure about as innocent as someone adding fuel to a fire.

Oh ffs! Listen very carefully, you're evidently having extreme issues understanding this - The. Wall. Won't. Work. It isn't securing our borders, end of. To assert otherwise is downright foolish and deluded at this point.



The compromise budgets proposed and passed by the Democratic House have included increased spending for border security but stop full sale at the wall because it simply won't work. It's utterly useless and a monument that says something, and it isn't saying "we love immigrants!"

I am refuting Port’s idiotic notion that this wall business is somehow “racist”.

And the notion that the wall won’t completely work is completely fucking retarded and dishonest. But not to where it’s worth 7 billion. The wall was never meant to fully stop illegal migration anyways.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

The notion that the wall won’t work is completely fucking retarded and dishonest. But not to where it’s worth 7 billion. The wall was never meant to fully stop illegal migration anyways.

So, how would the wall do anything particularly productive?

[Ifreann]

Mitch McConnell won't allow a vote on the bill, even though the Senate previously passed it unanimously. If Addison Mitchell would dare upset the President, the government would be funded right now.

I can see why Trump suddenly got very serious about the wall when he had spent the two years previous not giving much of a fuck. The election results were in and he knew Democrats were going to take the House in January, so he tried to get his wall funding before then. But Republicans don't actually want his stupid fucking wall any more than Democrats do.

It's even dumber than that.

Apparently, He originally asked for $1.6 billion, which after some hand wringing he was given and it was apparently going theough congress.

By December, he had upped the number to $5 billion, without providing the appropriations committee anything on why or what the money os actually used for. Fast forward to late December, and he ups it again to $5.7 billion, again with no indication of how it is to be used, and Congress collectively baulked at that.

Bare in mind that this isn't Republicans v. Democrats. Most Republicans want nothing to do with this as well, which is why he didn't get funding before the House turned Democrat.

Few people in Congress wamt to spend money on the Wall, includkng most Republicans. I have no idea what they would collectively do if the Democrats capitulated.

Offer to restore Obamacare to get them to uncapitulate.

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Mitch McConnell won't allow a vote on the bill, even though the Senate previously passed it unanimously. If Addison Mitchell would dare upset the President, the government would be funded right now.

I can see why Trump suddenly got very serious about the wall when he had spent the two years previous not giving much of a fuck. The election results were in and he knew Democrats were going to take the House in January, so he tried to get his wall funding before then. But Republicans don't actually want his stupid fucking wall any more than Democrats do.

He knew the House was lost on November 8, it was just a matter of final numbers. Trump didn't give any more of a shit about the wall then then he did before or does now. All that's changed is that he got his fragile ego bruised by conservative talking heads when the non-wall funding bill looked like it was going through, so he balled his tiny hands into fists and demanded the wall to show how strong he was, with no actual planning or grasp of the consequences. Now of course he realizes that he's backed himself into a corner where his only options are public humiliation in front of his base or getting the wall... somehow... from a Congress where neither party gives a shit about the wall either and where he has no leverage other than threatening Republicans with the red hat brigade.

Hence McConnell's cowardice, since his approval rating in Kentucky is a whole 1 point higher than Jeff Flake's was when he retired because he knew he would never survive a Primary with Trump against him.

I think Trump's entire presidency can be best understood by considering everything in terms of his ego. He wants to look like the biggest, strongest boy on the playground.

[New haven america]

Innocent in building a useless wall that is built on poorly veiled racism and a complete misunderstanding of immigration issues?

No, we're pretty innocent in that regard.

Oh ffs! Listen carefully - Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!

Sure about as innocent as someone adding fuel to a fire.

A. A wall won't secure the Southern Border (As has been mentioned before, just go under, or over, or around it. It's not that hard)
B. Yes, you want a wall to keep out those who are part of a historically discriminated against group, with the idea being proposed by a guy who believes that the first black POTUS is actually a Muslim insurgent from Kenya and who believes that judges of Hispanic descent shouldn't be allowed to make or judge cases against him. Nope, not racist at all!

[Chernoslavia]

Oh ffs! Listen carefully - Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!

Sure about as innocent as someone adding fuel to a fire.

A. A wall won't secure the Southern Border (As has been mentioned before, just go under, or over, or around it. It's not that hard)
B. Yes, you want a wall to keep out those who are part of a historically discriminated against group, with the idea being proposed by a guy who believes that the first black POTUS is actually a Muslim insurgent from Kenya and who believes that judges of Hispanic descent shouldn't be allowed to make or judge cases against him. Nope, not racist at all!

A. If you mean it won’t secure enough of our borders to be worth it then yes I would agree.
B. Citation needed.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I think Trump's entire presidency can be best understood by considering everything in terms of his ego. He wants to look like the biggest, strongest boy on the playground.

*shoves Kim Jong-Un*

[Chernoslavia]

The notion that the wall won’t work is completely fucking retarded and dishonest. But not to where it’s worth 7 billion. The wall was never meant to fully stop illegal migration anyways.

So, how would the wall do anything particularly productive?

It would be too tall to just climb it very easily. And you can’t really use bolt cutters on concrete. It’ll slow down illegal migration. But not to where it’s really worth spending the money to have it.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Innocent in building a useless wall that is built on poorly veiled racism and a complete misunderstanding of immigration issues?

No, we're pretty innocent in that regard.

Oh ffs! Listen carefully - Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!

Sure about as innocent as someone adding fuel to a fire.

Building. A. Wall. Won’t. Secure. Our. Borders!

[The New United States]

So, how would the wall do anything particularly productive?

It would be too tall to just climb it very easily. And you can’t really use bolt cutters on concrete. It’ll slow down illegal migration. But not to where it’s really worth spending the money to have it.

Not to mention hampering the ability of drug smugglers to bring in their product outside of ports of entry.

[New haven america]

A. A wall won't secure the Southern Border (As has been mentioned before, just go under, or over, or around it. It's not that hard)
B. Yes, you want a wall to keep out those who are part of a historically discriminated against group, with the idea being proposed by a guy who believes that the first black POTUS is actually a Muslim insurgent from Kenya and who believes that judges of Hispanic descent shouldn't be allowed to make or judge cases against him. Nope, not racist at all!

A. If you mean it won’t secure enough of our borders to be worth it then yes I would agree.
B. Citation needed.

Discrimination:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/29/roughly-half-of-hispanics-have-experienced-discrimination/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070

Various example of Trump's Birtherism views (TBH, there's too many to list fully):
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther.html

The Judge Controversy:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-judge-trump-university-case-election-2016/

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Oh ffs! Listen carefully - Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!

Sure about as innocent as someone adding fuel to a fire.

Building. A. Wall. Won’t. Secure. Our. Borders!

Increased resources for border security and telling TSA to shape the fuck up or face dissolution for gross inefficiency certainly will, though.

[New haven america]

Building. A. Wall. Won’t. Secure. Our. Borders!

Increased resources for border security and telling TSA to shape the fuck up or face dissolution for gross inefficiency certainly will, though.

Or, y'know, we could make shit more comprehensive and make it so that people looking for better opportunities elsewhere can do so legally and easily...

[Chernoslavia]

Oh ffs! Listen carefully - Securing. Our. Borders. Is. Not. Racism!

Sure about as innocent as someone adding fuel to a fire.

Building. A. Wall. Won’t. Secure. Our. Borders!

Never. Made. That. Argument.

[The Rich Port]

Building. A. Wall. Won’t. Secure. Our. Borders!

Increased resources for border security and telling TSA to shape the fuck up or face dissolution for gross inefficiency certainly will, though.

But we're not doing that, though, are we?

He wants a shitty wall and he put fucking TSA on furlough to do it.

[Chernoslavia]

Building. A. Wall. Won’t. Secure. Our. Borders!

Increased resources for border security and telling TSA to shape the fuck up or face dissolution for gross inefficiency certainly will, though.

THIS is what I rather Trump’s request for 5 million dollars be spent on.

[Cannot think of a name]

Conclusion not supported.

Except for the millions of people affected by the shutdown. But as long as it's not you, right?

Your mess, you clean it up.

Not how anything has worked ever.

Trump already approved back pay for federal workers so once again, they’re going to get paid like they always have. And to call this a “national crisis” is retarded and borderline fear mongering.

This has been explained to you often enough, it’s clear you’re ignoring it.

And the other 320 million are going about their lives. And some of those workers aren’t even that essential.

After being lectured the last year for being dismissive of workers in dying industries it’s a delight to see that was theater. The effect on others has also been explained to you enough times that at this point your argument boils down to “la la la I can’t hear you.”

Lol no, you don’t get to add to the problem and then claim innocence. Dems don’t want to end their petty pissing contest with the man so they accept part of the blame. Man the fuck up and take responsibility.

They are. The responsible adult response to a kid throwing a fit in the toy aisle is to say no and confirm this is not the way you ask for things.

It is most certainly how things worked, that’s politics. Never interrupt your opponent when he’s about to make a mistake.

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That’s exactly what’s happening. Letting him make this mistake.

[Chernoslavia]

Increased resources for border security and telling TSA to shape the fuck up or face dissolution for gross inefficiency certainly will, though.

But we're not doing that, though, are we?

He wants a shitty wall and he put fucking TSA on furlough to do it.

Unfortunately. But if this doesn’t end soon, both parties’ dick swinging contest will end up costing way more than just handing out the border money.

[The New United States]

Increased resources for border security and telling TSA to shape the fuck up or face dissolution for gross inefficiency certainly will, though.

But we're not doing that, though, are we?

He wants a shitty wall and he put fucking TSA on furlough to do it.

The TSA is grossly ineffective as an organization. We'd probably be much better off returning airport security to the the airports and the states and using their budget to construct a border wall and improve border security.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tes ... d=51022188
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... tems-minn/

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Increased resources for border security and telling TSA to shape the fuck up or face dissolution for gross inefficiency certainly will, though.

Or, y'know, we could make shit more comprehensive and make it so that people looking for better opportunities elsewhere can do so legally and easily...

That would fall under "streamlining and reforming the immigration/asylum systems", which is a connected, but different can of worms to deal with.