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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
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77%
No
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Total votes : 134

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:00 pm

Hakons wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I’ve been wanting a general strike of all transportation workers for about an month now.


Governor, call in the national guard ;)


... You're would call in the National Guard for a strike?

How about they all just fucking quit, are you going to throw them in jail for it?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:13 pm

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Hakons wrote:
Governor, call in the national guard ;)

Perfect. More propaganda ammo for my revolution!! National Guard firing on workers striking for better pay makes for great propaganda

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:17 pm

Hakons wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I’ve been wanting a general strike of all transportation workers for about an month now.


Governor, call in the national guard ;)


There's a reason this tactic fell out of favor rather quickly, mainly because it tended to make the strikers more sympathetic.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:22 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Hakons wrote:
Governor, call in the national guard ;)


There's a reason this tactic fell out of favor rather quickly, mainly because it tended to make the strikers more sympathetic.


Not to mention the lawsuits.

"Governor, why'd you call in the National Guard on federal workers?"

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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:23 pm

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They will always get paid.

Ones who are being asked to work now without pay. Ones who are temporarily laid off, not as clear. Government contractors whose contracts are put on hold and therefore so are their employees, not so much. The people who needed the services provided who cannot avail themselves of services are effected.

We've been over this. It's a googleable thing, you weren't looking for the answer. You were trying to suggest that since we haven't gathered behind a circle of buses at an oil well while Humungus asks us to 'just walk away', the shutdown has no affect. It'd be disingenuous to even call that an argument. Take your hacky played out nonsense to the Yahoo comments section.


They fucking get back payments! You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis. And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.

You want to fix this mess? How about getting your fucking side to just hand over the wall, and stop fucking pretending that 7 Billion is such a big fucking waste of money, when you lot have no problem spending over ten times that fucking amount for illegals. Oh but no! That would mean giving the big evil orange man what he wants :roll:
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:25 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Ones who are being asked to work now without pay. Ones who are temporarily laid off, not as clear. Government contractors whose contracts are put on hold and therefore so are their employees, not so much. The people who needed the services provided who cannot avail themselves of services are effected.

We've been over this. It's a googleable thing, you weren't looking for the answer. You were trying to suggest that since we haven't gathered behind a circle of buses at an oil well while Humungus asks us to 'just walk away', the shutdown has no affect. It'd be disingenuous to even call that an argument. Take your hacky played out nonsense to the Yahoo comments section.


They fucking get back payments! You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis. And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.

You want to fix this mess? How about getting your fucking side to just hand over the wall, and stop fucking pretending that 7 Billion is such a big fucking waste of money, when you lot have no problem spending over ten times that fucking amount for illegals. Oh but no! That would mean giving the big evil orange man what he wants :roll:

you got a source for that there claim?
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Postby Hakons » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:25 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Hakons wrote:
Governor, call in the national guard ;)


... You're would call in the National Guard for a strike?

How about they all just fucking quit, are you going to throw them in jail for it?


It's a joke, referencing a common tactic historically used against labor strikes.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:26 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Ones who are being asked to work now without pay. Ones who are temporarily laid off, not as clear. Government contractors whose contracts are put on hold and therefore so are their employees, not so much. The people who needed the services provided who cannot avail themselves of services are effected.

We've been over this. It's a googleable thing, you weren't looking for the answer. You were trying to suggest that since we haven't gathered behind a circle of buses at an oil well while Humungus asks us to 'just walk away', the shutdown has no affect. It'd be disingenuous to even call that an argument. Take your hacky played out nonsense to the Yahoo comments section.


They fucking get back payments! You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis. And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.


I'm sure their landlord will understand that pay will come... eventually... and ditto for the cashiers at the supermarket. Or maybe they can back pay groceries and rent money, because that's a solved problem.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:26 pm

Xmara wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Four months baby!! Viva la revolución!!


Nah, it’s gonna be until Trump leaves office.

2024 is going to be weird.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:26 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
They fucking get back payments! You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis. And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.

You want to fix this mess? How about getting your fucking side to just hand over the wall, and stop fucking pretending that 7 Billion is such a big fucking waste of money, when you lot have no problem spending over ten times that fucking amount for illegals. Oh but no! That would mean giving the big evil orange man what he wants :roll:

you got a source for that there claim?


He's being hyperbolic out of frustration.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:27 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
They will always get paid.

Really now? Because Trump doesn’t want to pay anyone backpay.


He has to and they will.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:28 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Ones who are being asked to work now without pay. Ones who are temporarily laid off, not as clear. Government contractors whose contracts are put on hold and therefore so are their employees, not so much. The people who needed the services provided who cannot avail themselves of services are effected.

We've been over this. It's a googleable thing, you weren't looking for the answer. You were trying to suggest that since we haven't gathered behind a circle of buses at an oil well while Humungus asks us to 'just walk away', the shutdown has no affect. It'd be disingenuous to even call that an argument. Take your hacky played out nonsense to the Yahoo comments section.


They fucking get back payments! You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis. And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.

You want to fix this mess? How about getting your fucking side to just hand over the wall, and stop fucking pretending that 7 Billion is such a big fucking waste of money, when you lot have no problem spending over ten times that fucking amount for illegals. Oh but no! That would mean giving the big evil orange man what he wants :roll:


Yes, let's let the party of fiscal responsibility blow billions of dollars on a thing that will not do what it is designed to do.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:29 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Ones who are being asked to work now without pay. Ones who are temporarily laid off, not as clear. Government contractors whose contracts are put on hold and therefore so are their employees, not so much. The people who needed the services provided who cannot avail themselves of services are effected.

We've been over this. It's a googleable thing, you weren't looking for the answer. You were trying to suggest that since we haven't gathered behind a circle of buses at an oil well while Humungus asks us to 'just walk away', the shutdown has no affect. It'd be disingenuous to even call that an argument. Take your hacky played out nonsense to the Yahoo comments section.


They fucking get back payments! You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis. And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.

You want to fix this mess? How about getting your fucking side to just hand over the wall, and stop fucking pretending that 7 Billion is such a big fucking waste of money, when you lot have no problem spending over ten times that fucking amount for illegals. Oh but no! That would mean giving the big evil orange man what he wants :roll:

I'm sorry, aren't the Reps supposed to be the party of fiscal responsibility or something...?
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Postby NeoOasis » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:30 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
They fucking get back payments! You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis. And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.

You want to fix this mess? How about getting your fucking side to just hand over the wall, and stop fucking pretending that 7 Billion is such a big fucking waste of money, when you lot have no problem spending over ten times that fucking amount for illegals. Oh but no! That would mean giving the big evil orange man what he wants :roll:


Hyundai may be so understanding, but I doubt super markets, bill collectors, insurance premiums, credit card bills, utilities are. Knowing you'll eventually be paid is a cold comfort in the face of immediate financial obligations. No one should be forced to dig into life savings and/or ruin credit scores just because some buffoon up on the hill refuses to back down.

Also we're gonna need a source on that "ten times that fucking amount for illegals."
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:30 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Really now? Because Trump doesn’t want to pay anyone backpay.


He has to and they will.

And when has Trump cared about what he was required to do?
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:30 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
They fucking get back payments! You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis. And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.

You want to fix this mess? How about getting your fucking side to just hand over the wall, and stop fucking pretending that 7 Billion is such a big fucking waste of money, when you lot have no problem spending over ten times that fucking amount for illegals. Oh but no! That would mean giving the big evil orange man what he wants :roll:


Yes, let's let the party of fiscal responsibility blow billions of dollars on a thing that will not do what it is designed to do.


See, the issue isn't necessarily the cost (although the 7 billion figure is still laughably and unrealistically optimistic), the issue lies with where the cost is going and what we could've spent it on.

Either we spend it on a wall that, as countlessly many have pointed out, would be ineffective at best and hilariously useless at worst, or we spend on stuff that we can get a return on. Like roads or something.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:31 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Perfect. More propaganda ammo for my revolution!! National Guard firing on workers striking for better pay makes for great propaganda

*Our revolution comrade.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:32 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Yes, let's let the party of fiscal responsibility blow billions of dollars on a thing that will not do what it is designed to do.


See, the issue isn't necessarily the cost (although the 7 billion figure is still laughably and unrealistically optimistic), the issue lies with where the cost is going and what we could've spent it on.

Either we spend it on a wall that, as countlessly many have pointed out, would be ineffective at best and hilariously useless at worst, or we spend on stuff that we can get a return on. Like roads or something.

*libertarian screeching in the distance*
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:32 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
They fucking get back payments! You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis. And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.

You want to fix this mess? How about getting your fucking side to just hand over the wall, and stop fucking pretending that 7 Billion is such a big fucking waste of money, when you lot have no problem spending over ten times that fucking amount for illegals. Oh but no! That would mean giving the big evil orange man what he wants :roll:


Yes, let's let the party of fiscal responsibility blow billions of dollars on a thing that will not do what it is designed to do.


I do find it funny how quickly "fiscal responsibility" becomes a virtue when the government wants to spend money on policies folks disagree with, and how quickly that virtue evaporates when the tables are turned.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:33 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Really now? Because Trump doesn’t want to pay anyone backpay.


He has to and they will.

No he doesn’t. Congress gives them back pay because if they didn’t they’d have massive riots and strikes on their hands. Legally Trump doesn’t have to give them shit. And he doesn’t plan on it
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:33 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
There's a reason this tactic fell out of favor rather quickly, mainly because it tended to make the strikers more sympathetic.


Not to mention the lawsuits.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:*Our revolution comrade.

Yes sure... I would never purge you and rule like Stalin

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:36 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:*Our revolution comrade.

Yes sure... I would never purge you and rule like Stalin


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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:39 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Ones who are being asked to work now without pay. Ones who are temporarily laid off, not as clear. Government contractors whose contracts are put on hold and therefore so are their employees, not so much. The people who needed the services provided who cannot avail themselves of services are effected.

We've been over this. It's a googleable thing, you weren't looking for the answer. You were trying to suggest that since we haven't gathered behind a circle of buses at an oil well while Humungus asks us to 'just walk away', the shutdown has no affect. It'd be disingenuous to even call that an argument. Take your hacky played out nonsense to the Yahoo comments section.


They fucking get back payments!

No they don’t. They are not legally entitled to back pay.

You lot are real pathetic at trying to make this like such a major crisis. And surely you don’t need me to tell you where you can take your piece of shit source.

It is a major crisis. Any day all 15,000 ATC workers could go on strike crippling the economy. The FDA isn’t inspecting any food anymore so I hope you like salmonella. You probably aren’t going to get your tax refund either. Oh and the coast guard is just out their without pay.

But sure this isn’t a crisis.

You want to fix this mess? How about getting your fucking side to just hand over the wall, and stop fucking pretending that 7 Billion is such a big fucking waste of money,

And what tell Trump that if he pitches a fit he gets his way? Ya no fuck that.

when you lot have no problem spending over ten times that fucking amount for illegals. Oh but no! That would mean giving the big evil orange man what he wants :roll:

You spend way too much time drinking the kool aid
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:41 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Yes, let's let the party of fiscal responsibility blow billions of dollars on a thing that will not do what it is designed to do.


See, the issue isn't necessarily the cost (although the 7 billion figure is still laughably and unrealistically optimistic), the issue lies with where the cost is going and what we could've spent it on.

Either we spend it on a wall that, as countlessly many have pointed out, would be ineffective at best and hilariously useless at worst, or we spend on stuff that we can get a return on. Like roads or something.


To be fair, what's more libertarian than encouraging a megalomaniac wannabe-autocrat into forcing a nation of 300 million people into funding a frankly idiotic building project purely to spite the very concept of government?

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Vassenor wrote:
Yes, let's let the party of fiscal responsibility blow billions of dollars on a thing that will not do what it is designed to do.


I do find it funny how quickly "fiscal responsibility" becomes a virtue when the government wants to spend money on policies folks disagree with, and how quickly that virtue evaporates when the tables are turned.


Haha yeah it's really funny to the almost 3 million people who's vote didn't count in the election because of the broken Electoral College system.

When was the last time a Republican candidate won the popular vote? 12 years ago?

HAHA. IT'S SO FUNNY WHEN THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS IN THE COUNTRY DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT. HAHA.
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