US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Thermodolia]

It also mean that foreign governments are less likely to trust the US and we will might see another downgrade in our credit rating.

Why does it matter if our credit rating is downgraded?

Because then we can’t pay for things? We barrow a lot of moms because we don’t have the tax revenue to pay for it all. If our credit rating is shit we wouldn’t be able to do squat

[Neutraligon]

It also mean that foreign governments are less likely to trust the US and we will might see another downgrade in our credit rating.

Why does it matter if our credit rating is downgraded?

Because it effects interest rates, as well as how likely other countries are to borrow from the US.

[San Lumen]

Why does it matter if our credit rating is downgraded?

Because it effects interest rates, as well as how likely other countries are to borrow from the US.

And if they no longer barrow that’s more money for us

[Neutraligon]

Because it effects interest rates, as well as how likely other countries are to borrow from the US.

And if they no longer barrow that’s more money for us

No it isn't, because we make money off of what they borrow.

[Thermodolia]

Trump is also an idiot who doesn’t know the consequences of effectively saying “let them eat cake”. If Trump wants to take this to January 20, 2021 hes going to have to deal with almost two years of an unpaid military. History shows that people who don’t pay the guys who know how to do shooty things don’t last long

Active military and most other military personnel are specifically paid even in cases of a shutdown through seperate appropriations bills. They are largely immune to the shutdown taking their pay, at least in the near term unless Trumpw were dumb enough to try and attach his wall to that bill. The Coastguard is an unfortunate casualty because they are not funded through the DoD, but through the DHS.

I didn’t get paid under shutdowns when I was in. It took about 6 months for that backpay to show up. So not paying shit for the next two years is going to make people pissed

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

It also mean that foreign governments are less likely to trust the US and we will might see another downgrade in our credit rating.

Why does it matter if our credit rating is downgraded?

Your government will have to pay higher interest rates to borrow money.

[Des-Bal]

And if they no longer barrow that’s more money for us

Yep, that's why the most successful banks have moats and snipers to keep away anyone who wants to borrow from them.

[Seangoli]

It also mean that foreign governments are less likely to trust the US and we will might see another downgrade in our credit rating.

Why does it matter if our credit rating is downgraded?

Because people will refuse to buy government issued bonds unless the interest rate is higher to mitigate the risk of buying risky bonds.

Which means that we will a larger percentage rate on the bonds, which adds up quickly when dealing with trillions of dolllars.

[Thermodolia]

I think the pentagon would put more pressure on the republican senators to end this. It wouldn’t be a full on coup but it be a political/ legal coup.

If the military tried to install anyone it would be Mattis not Sanders

There is not going to be a coup of any kind. Enough with your fantasies

A political coup would be if Trump was ousted by his own party. Using the 25th would be a political coup, which is both legal and possible

[San Lumen]

There is not going to be a coup of any kind. Enough with your fantasies

A political coup would be if Trump was ousted by his own party. Using the 25th would be a political coup, which is both legal and possible

I would love if Congress did that but they are too afraid of primary challenges to attempt it

[The Alma Mater]

And if they no longer barrow that’s more money for us

Yep, that's why the most successful banks have moats and snipers to keep away anyone who wants to borrow from them.

Well, in the short term is true. If nobody wants to lend my money, I keep more money in my pocket.
Of course, since fewer people want it it gets worth (far) less - and keeping it in my pocket does not magically turn it into more money, so in de end I lose big time... but who thinks longterm ?

[Neutraligon]

Why does it matter if our credit rating is downgraded?

Your government will have to pay higher interest rates to borrow money.

And this. It could also really negatively effect consumer confidence, and economists are already expecting a somewhat slow year.

[Thermodolia]

A political coup would be if Trump was ousted by his own party. Using the 25th would be a political coup, which is both legal and possible

I would love if Congress did that but they are too afraid of primary challenges to attempt it

Pressure from important political groups like the military and businesses will make them do it. The military has more political sway than you think and they can and will put immense amount of pressure on republicans

[Thermodolia]

Your government will have to pay higher interest rates to borrow money.

And this. It could also really negatively effect consumer confidence, and economists are already expecting a somewhat slow year.

A good few republican senators will probably revolt before then. If McConnell continues to block legislation he might not be in charge for a time.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Your government will have to pay higher interest rates to borrow money.

And this. It could also really negatively effect consumer confidence, and economists are already expecting a somewhat slow year.

So much for the claim that Trump would be good for the economy.

[The Blaatschapen]

Yep, that's why the most successful banks have moats and snipers to keep away anyone who wants to borrow from them.

Well, in the short term is true. If nobody wants to lend my money, I keep more money in my pocket.
Of course, since fewer people want it it gets worth (far) less - and keeping it in my pocket does not magically turn it into more money, so in de end I lose big time... but who thinks longterm ?

If I were thinking longterm, I would not have named my nation The Blaatschapen 16+ years ago.

[The Alma Mater]

Well, in the short term is true. If nobody wants to lend my money, I keep more money in my pocket.
Of course, since fewer people want it it gets worth (far) less - and keeping it in my pocket does not magically turn it into more money, so in de end I lose big time... but who thinks longterm ?

If I were thinking longterm, I would not have named my nation The Blaatschapen 16+ years ago.

Je bent nog steeds een lief wollig diertje.

[The Alma Mater]

And this. It could also really negatively effect consumer confidence, and economists are already expecting a somewhat slow year.

So much for the claim that Trump would be good for the economy.

Why did people believe that ? Trump got most of his fortune from inheritance and tv-appearances.
As a businessman he.. well.. sucked.

[The Rich Port]

Out of curiosity:

Any federal workers here on NS? It would be good to hear your perspective.

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Goddamn brown Japanese people cutting through our walls to rape our Pokemon.

No...not Pikachu!

My cousin is in the FBI. He is also ex-Navy. He detests Trump and thinks he's a moron.

My whole family does except for my dementia-riddled grandfather.

[Seangoli]

So much for the claim that Trump would be good for the economy.

Why did people believe that ? Trump got most of his fortune from inheritance and tv-appearances.
As a businessman he.. well.. sucked.

Because they view wealth being equitable to having good business acumen. Trump is good at many things, but actual business acumen is absolytely not one of them. He got as rich as he has despite his business decisions, not because of them. He is a fantastic salesman, is really what it comes down to.

Frankly, someone like Mark Cuban is far, far better at business than Trump ever could dream to be. He came from relatively little and built up his empire through actual effort and practically nothing.

Trump is just am awful businessman, and nearly everything he tried to actually manage closely went up in smoke. There is a reason why he was such a laughong stock among other billionaires and businessmen. Nobody respected his actual business acumen, as it would lead them tk ruin.

[Jolthig]

My buddy: "Mexico should just start building a bigger wall and have a cold war with walls"

[The Alma Mater]

My buddy: "Mexico should just start building a bigger wall and have a cold war with walls"

Will the Americans pay for that;) ?

[Des-Bal]

Will the Americans pay for that;) ?

Yes, with Nafta and drug smuggling, and human trafficking somehow. It's basic economics- if imported goods and illegal drugs are more expensive walls are free.

[Vassenor]

Also it turns out the guy behind #crowdfundthewall has a history of running crowdfunding scams and the page has been shut down with all backers being refunded.

In 2015, he raised $16,246 on GoFundMe for a veteran mentorship program, citing three hospitals he would help. The funds went directly to him, GoFundMe confirmed.

But all 3 vet centers say they have no record of any peer-mentoring programs or of him working with their patients

According to a cache of texts, emails, and five people who worked with and for Brian Kolfage, the veteran pushed his emplyees to fabricate stories on Facebook to more flagrantly convey a false narrative and purchased conservative pages, one for ~$100,000, to grow for profit

He currently has another GoFundMe campaign (Fight 4 Free Speech) to pay him to "take on Facebook in an unprecedented legal case that will shape our nation for future generations"

It's raised $73,425. If it hits its $100,000 goal, the funds will go to him

[Rezmaeristan]

This whole thing is ridiculous. Why couldn't we work out a DACA-for-wall deal? You get your Dreamers, we get our wall.

Wait, I know why. Optics. Trump doesn't want to look soft(despite the fact he wrote a book called Art of the Deal so this would be perfectly acceptable to his base if they get the wall) and Pelosi/Schumer don't want to cooperate with Trump, because on the left, if you collaborate with or talk to someone, you're basically the same as them. Also orange man bad.