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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
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77%
No
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:31 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Republicanana wrote:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1082032550112047104



Is this a way Trump looks like a compromiser while also escalating the shutdown with the "both stronger & less obtrusive" part?


A "steel barrier"?

Wouldn't that be a fucking iron bar fence?

If so, it seems that he has attempted to explain that he agreed upon a fence in a rather bizarre way.

Cause a fence doesn’t sound that impressive, that’s why.
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The Emerald Legion
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:37 pm

Kowani wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
A "steel barrier"?

Wouldn't that be a fucking iron bar fence?

If so, it seems that he has attempted to explain that he agreed upon a fence in a rather bizarre way.

Cause a fence doesn’t sound that impressive, that’s why.


I mean, the difference between a fence and a wall is pretty slim to begin with.

Image

This is for example, a fence. A russian fence, but a fence nonetheless.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:47 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Kowani wrote:Cause a fence doesn’t sound that impressive, that’s why.


I mean, the difference between a fence and a wall is pretty slim to begin with.

Image

This is for example, a fence. A russian fence, but a fence nonetheless.

Ah, my friend, it’s all about perception. A fence makes you think of the rusty one in your backyard, while a wall evokes the Great Wall of China.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:05 pm

Bombadil wrote:Pilots direct letter at Trump..

Finally, at both the FAA and at the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), the air traffic controllers, airspace system maintenance personnel, and the airline passenger security workforce are being asked to work unpaid. They are dutifully providing safety of life services while facing increasingly difficult financial pressures to provide for those dependent on their paycheck. The pressure these civil servants are facing at home should not be ignored. At some point, these dedicated federal employees will encounter personal financial damages that will take a long time from which to recover, if at all.

Happy flying peeps..

Privatize both entities.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:09 pm

Azlaake wrote:So........ The government is shutting down because Trump won't get his money? How corrupted our government is!


Congress approves the budget. If they say no 5 billion for the wall, then no 5 billion for the wall.

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Republicanana
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Postby Republicanana » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:27 pm

https://twitter.com/costareports/status ... 9595068416

NEWS tonight...
-Wash Post obtains new letter to Congress from Trump WH
-Still demanding $5.7B on wall...
-Admin has spelled out its budget requests beyond wall
-Newsy: $800m for "humanitarian needs" now on table


Interesting to see Trump expand out the issues.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:30 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Pilots direct letter at Trump..

Finally, at both the FAA and at the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), the air traffic controllers, airspace system maintenance personnel, and the airline passenger security workforce are being asked to work unpaid. They are dutifully providing safety of life services while facing increasingly difficult financial pressures to provide for those dependent on their paycheck. The pressure these civil servants are facing at home should not be ignored. At some point, these dedicated federal employees will encounter personal financial damages that will take a long time from which to recover, if at all.

Happy flying peeps..

Privatize both entities.

Ewww

I got a better idea. Nationalize all the things!!
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Privatize both entities.

Ewww

I got a better idea. Nationalize all the things!!

I respect you greatly Therm, but the word "nationalization" triggers an allergic reaction.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:35 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ewww

I got a better idea. Nationalize all the things!!

I respect you greatly Therm, but the word "nationalization" triggers an allergic reaction.

Libertarians are allergic to centralization? I am a centralized human being.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:36 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Azlaake wrote:So........ The government is shutting down because Trump won't get his money? How corrupted our government is!


Congress approves the budget. If they say no 5 billion for the wall, then no 5 billion for the wall.


That's not how the government works tho.
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Lechites
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Postby Lechites » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:37 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Congress approves the budget. If they say no 5 billion for the wall, then no 5 billion for the wall.


That's not how the government works tho.

That is how it works if they pass legislation with a veto-proof majority. Which, they could, if McConnell let them vote.

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Katganistan
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Postby Katganistan » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Yes but if they do not get their CHECKS. Then it will hurt THEM, PERSONALLY. So far cutting taxes hurts OTHER PEOPLE. People they don't LIKE. People they think DESERVE to suffer.

Wait till the MAGA-hat wearing brigade realizes THEY are people POTUS doesn't care about because they aren't billionaires and conmen.

...I’m more surprised by who’s saying this than by what’s being said.

Why?

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:43 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Congress approves the budget. If they say no 5 billion for the wall, then no 5 billion for the wall.


That's not how the government works tho.

Yes it is.
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The Emerald Legion
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:21 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's not how the government works tho.

Yes it is.


Except the president can still veto if he doesn't like what they come up with. Not to mention Congress hasn't approved an actual budget for years. Just temporary patches, which is why we have these shutdowns every other week.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Congress approves the budget. If they say no 5 billion for the wall, then no 5 billion for the wall.


That's not how the government works tho.


Congress has the power of the purse. The President can't just say I want this. They are not rubber stamps

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's not how the government works tho.


Congress has the power of the purse. The President can't just say I want this. They are not rubber stamps


Yes, and presidents have the power of veto. Civics 101 my friend.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:34 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Yes it is.


Except the president can still veto if he doesn't like what they come up with...

Except except Congress can override a Presidential veto. Trump can only keep the government shutdown for as long as Congressional Republicans let him. When they get sick of his shenanigans they can negotiate a compromise bill with Democrats and pass it with veto-proof majorities.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:35 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Congress has the power of the purse. The President can't just say I want this. They are not rubber stamps


Yes, and presidents have the power of veto. Civics 101 my friend.


I am aware but if you dont have the votes you dont get what you want. You cannot keep government shut down forever or does possible irreparable harm to our national parks not matter to you?

A veto can also be overriden and I cannot understand why McConnell wont do that.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:35 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Except the president can still veto if he doesn't like what they come up with...

Except except Congress can override a Presidential veto. Trump can only keep the government shutdown for as long as Congressional Republicans let him. When they get sick of his shenanigans they can negotiate a compromise bill with Democrats and pass it with veto-proof majorities.


Indeed, I think we're a ways away from reaching that point though.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yes, and presidents have the power of veto. Civics 101 my friend.


I am aware but if you dont have the votes you dont get what you want. You cannot keep government shut down forever or does possible irreparable harm to our national parks not matter to you?

A veto can also be overriden and I cannot understand why McConnell wont do that.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:39 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I am aware but if you dont have the votes you dont get what you want. You cannot keep government shut down forever or does possible irreparable harm to our national parks not matter to you?

A veto can also be overriden and I cannot understand why McConnell wont do that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/yo ... 98c045a0f5
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:43 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Except the president can still veto if he doesn't like what they come up with...

Except except Congress can override a Presidential veto. Trump can only keep the government shutdown for as long as Congressional Republicans let him. When they get sick of his shenanigans they can negotiate a compromise bill with Democrats and pass it with veto-proof majorities.


Congressional Republicans are stuck in that area between a rock and a hard place I always knew they'd find themselves in by playing ball with Trump. Either they give in, compromise with Dems against the will of the President, agitate his core base and diehard Republicans who voted for the GOP that would "own the libs" or they don't give in and risk losing independents and more moderate members of their base.

Either way they're hurting their prospects. But I do agree that sticking with the president would be the least risky option for the time being.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:48 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Except except Congress can override a Presidential veto. Trump can only keep the government shutdown for as long as Congressional Republicans let him. When they get sick of his shenanigans they can negotiate a compromise bill with Democrats and pass it with veto-proof majorities.


Congressional Republicans are stuck in that area between a rock and a hard place I always knew they'd find themselves in by playing ball with Trump. Either they give in, compromise with Dems against the will of the President, agitate his core base and diehard Republicans who voted for the GOP that would "own the libs" or they don't give in and risk losing independents and more moderate members of their base.

Either way they're hurting their prospects. But I do agree that sticking with the president would be the least risky option for the time being.


They should tell their base to piss off and do whats best for the country even if it means getting obliterated in 2020.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Congressional Republicans are stuck in that area between a rock and a hard place I always knew they'd find themselves in by playing ball with Trump. Either they give in, compromise with Dems against the will of the President, agitate his core base and diehard Republicans who voted for the GOP that would "own the libs" or they don't give in and risk losing independents and more moderate members of their base.

Either way they're hurting their prospects. But I do agree that sticking with the president would be the least risky option for the time being.


They should tell their base to piss off and do whats best for the country even if it means getting obliterated in 2020.

Or they could stick to their guns, wait until the Dems cave, and sweep the House again in 2020.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:52 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
They should tell their base to piss off and do whats best for the country even if it means getting obliterated in 2020.

Or they could stick to their guns, wait until the Dems cave, and sweep the House again in 2020.


which they aren't going to do. Pelosi isnt going to give him his stupid wall. It would never pass the House.
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