US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Telconi]

Failing to provide for your children isn't compassionate. Nice try though.

And the children of government workers should have no place to live because Trump decided to throw a temper tantrum over a stupid wall?

Nope.

[The South Falls]

In essence, the specter of immigrants is more important than America families. What happened to America first?

[Telconi]

In essence, the specter of immigrants is more important than America families. What happened to America first?

This works both ways tho, The oppones to this wall are perfectly willing to keep American families out of work, for the spectre of immigrants as well...

[Atheris]

In essence, the specter of immigrants is more important than America families. What happened to America first?

This works both ways tho, The oppones to this wall are perfectly willing to keep American families out of work, for the spectre of immigrants as well...

a wall won't help tbh

if people can get out of north korea then i'm pretty sure they can ship around or dig under or just fucking walk around a wall

[The South Falls]

In essence, the specter of immigrants is more important than America families. What happened to America first?

This works both ways tho, The oppones to this wall are perfectly willing to keep American families out of work, for the spectre of immigrants as well...

Democrats already made a proposal towards Trump. Trump made one towards them. Both parties rejected. Itd everybody's fault. But the fact remains that a wall is ineffective.

[Telconi]

This works both ways tho, The oppones to this wall are perfectly willing to keep American families out of work, for the spectre of immigrants as well...

a wall won't help tbh

if people can get out of north korea then i'm pretty sure they can ship around or dig under or just fucking walk around a wall

the capacity to circumvent a barrier doesn't mean the barrier doesn't reduce access.

[Atheris]

This works both ways tho, The oppones to this wall are perfectly willing to keep American families out of work, for the spectre of immigrants as well...

Democrats already made a proposal towards Trump. Trump made one towards them. Both parties rejected. Itd everybody's fault. But the fact remains that a wall is ineffective.

If it didn't work for China, if it didn't work for Germany, it sure as hell won't work for us.

[Telconi]

This works both ways tho, The oppones to this wall are perfectly willing to keep American families out of work, for the spectre of immigrants as well...

Democrats already made a proposal towards Trump. Trump made one towards them. Both parties rejected. Itd everybody's fault. But the fact remains that a wall is ineffective.

That's basically it, it takes two to continue to disagree, to say this is Trump's fault beca use he could relent i's to ignore that Congress is also capable of relenting.

[Atheris]

a wall won't help tbh

if people can get out of north korea then i'm pretty sure they can ship around or dig under or just fucking walk around a wall

the capacity to circumvent a barrier doesn't mean the barrier doesn't reduce access.

Trump is basically claiming that the wall is the #1 solution to preventing illegal immigration, when it isn't. Sure, it can kinda stop land immigration, but it can't stop planes, boats, cars, trafficking, smuggling... it's just gonna put a small, wall-shaped dent in the pot of illegal immigration.

[Telconi]

the capacity to circumvent a barrier doesn't mean the barrier doesn't reduce access.

Trump is basically claiming that the wall is the #1 solution to preventing illegal immigration, when it isn't. Sure, it can kinda stop land immigration, but it can't stop planes, boats, cars, trafficking, smuggling... it's just gonna put a small, wall-shaped dent in the pot of illegal immigration.

Trump beING full of a hit is hardly a new prospect. And you're right, it isn't a magical ticket to total immigration control, but it is a thing, that will help reduce the number of people illegally entering the country.

[The South Falls]

Democrats already made a proposal towards Trump. Trump made one towards them. Both parties rejected. Itd everybody's fault. But the fact remains that a wall is ineffective.

That's basically it, it takes two to continue to disagree, to say this is Trump's fault beca use he could relent i's to ignore that Congress is also capable of relenting.

Part of it is that Trump's solution is worse, so he is more apt to relent.

[Vassenor]

Trump is basically claiming that the wall is the #1 solution to preventing illegal immigration, when it isn't. Sure, it can kinda stop land immigration, but it can't stop planes, boats, cars, trafficking, smuggling... it's just gonna put a small, wall-shaped dent in the pot of illegal immigration.

Trump beING full of a hit is hardly a new prospect. And you're right, it isn't a magical ticket to total immigration control, but it is a thing, that will help reduce the number of people illegally entering the country.

If Trump cared about the issue he'd be going after the biggest cause. Not the one that coincidentally looks the most imposing and compensates for his other inadequacies.

[Telconi]

That's basically it, it takes two to continue to disagree, to say this is Trump's fault beca use he could relent i's to ignore that Congress is also capable of relenting.

Part of it is that Trump's solution is worse, so he is more apt to relent.

-Shrug- whats better or worse is debatable.

[Atheris]

Trump beING full of a hit is hardly a new prospect. And you're right, it isn't a magical ticket to total immigration control, but it is a thing, that will help reduce the number of people illegally entering the country.

If Trump cared about the issue he'd be going after the biggest cause. Not the one that coincidentally looks the most imposing and compensates for his other inadequacies.

sounds like he's compensating for something amirite

That's right, his failure to run this country

[Bahktar]

This works both ways tho, The oppones to this wall are perfectly willing to keep American families out of work, for the spectre of immigrants as well...

Democrats already made a proposal towards Trump. Trump made one towards them. Both parties rejected. Itd everybody's fault. But the fact remains that a wall is ineffective.

Republicans literally controlled all levels of government until 2019 3rd of January, though? I don't think it's the Democrats' fault at all.

EDIT: Besides, Democrats offered a compromise some while ago, iirc it was DACA and we'll give you your wall. Republicans said no. Oh well.

[Telconi]

Democrats already made a proposal towards Trump. Trump made one towards them. Both parties rejected. Itd everybody's fault. But the fact remains that a wall is ineffective.

Republicans literally controlled all levels of government until 2019 3rd of January, though? I don't think it's the Democrats' fault at all.

EDIT: Besides, Democrats offered a compromise some while ago, iirc it was DACA and we'll give you your wall. Republicans said no. Oh well.

They didn't have Senate control.

[Bahktar]

Republicans literally controlled all levels of government until 2019 3rd of January, though? I don't think it's the Democrats' fault at all.

EDIT: Besides, Democrats offered a compromise some while ago, iirc it was DACA and we'll give you your wall. Republicans said no. Oh well.

They didn't have Senate control.

Republicans control 50 seats and that means they have a majority, because the Vice President, a Republican, has a tie-breaking vote.

[Telconi]

They didn't have Senate control.

Republicans control 50 seats and that means they have a majority, because the Vice President, a Republican, has a tie-breaking vote.

majority and control are not the same, the Senate doesn't pass bills with a simile majority.

[Bahktar]

Republicans control 50 seats and that means they have a majority, because the Vice President, a Republican, has a tie-breaking vote.

majority and control are not the same, the Senate doesn't pass bills with a simile majority.

It does. If you have a tie, then the Vice President presents a tie-breaking vote.

EDIT: Either way, my point is that the Republicans control all of the government aspects yet they haven't passed a wall bill.

[Katganistan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... v3lI7Qmxzw
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... ot-vpx.cnn

You heard him. The responsibility is his.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

the Senate doesn't pass bills with a simile majority.

Yes they do, the only time that’s different is when passing a constitutional amendment or overriding a veto.

[Farnhamia]

the Senate doesn't pass bills with a simile majority.

Yes they do, the only time that’s different is when passing a constitutional amendment or overriding a veto.

Yes, but you need 60 votes to force the end of debate. Filibuster for the win!

[Olthar]

Wow, so the government has been shut down for two years now? Damn.

[The South Falls]

Wow, so the government has been shut down for two years now? Damn.

Its two hundred. You've traveled time.

[San Lumen]

And the children of government workers should have no place to live because Trump decided to throw a temper tantrum over a stupid wall?

Nope.

Why should they suffer then over a stupid wall thats not getting built?