US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Vrolondia]

Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?

Well I mean, the Great Wall didn't keep out the Mongols or the Manchu

[Vassenor]

Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?

Well I mean, the Great Wall didn't keep out the Mongols or the Manchu

But a much smaller wall in Israel works so this one clearly will too because reasons and logic and facts.

[Telconi]

The fact good governments can exist is in no way an argument to support any given government.

Running out of actual arguments, I take it? You're advocating anarchy, not advocating against one specific government. Nice try, though.

can we get it to day 30 pls

I wish my state government would shut down...

Except I was, quite ironic, that the person resorting to blatant falsehoods is the one who accuses others of "running our of arguments"

[Kowani]

Well I mean, the Great Wall didn't keep out the Mongols or the Manchu

But a much smaller wall in Israel works so this one clearly will too because reasons and logic and facts.

Plus, y’know. The Israeli wall’s fucking expensive.

[Vassenor]

But a much smaller wall in Israel works so this one clearly will too because reasons and logic and facts.

Plus, y’know. The Israeli wall’s fucking expensive.

Fake news. Mexico will pay for it.

[Kowani]

Plus, y’know. The Israeli wall’s fucking expensive.

Fake news. Mexico will pay for it.

Oh my goodness, you’re right. I made the rookie mistake of trusting journalists and not Dear Leader Trump.

[Zex]

Allow me to banish the ignorance you have succumb to on this topic as you are horrendously forgetting about the "when" part of your own haphazard rebuttable.
The case law in question, feel free to look up the actual ruling yourself (this is not the only one, you can also lookup the others yourself)
This is the result of such case law from our most august supreme court

For those who can't read
For those who can't read and love cartoons (shorter "theatrical" version)
Unless the police directly tell you that they will help you or you are under their custody, it is not their responsibility to protect you.
You better double check your state law, because if it is not codified (which it's not btw) you are on your own; fact.
Although they do have a duty to stop crimes/suspects, WHEN they get involved is up to them; you're welcome.

It is and it would; though I'm being overly facetious in that last part, so as to drive home the point that it is not the duty of the police to protect and serve in any way- shape- or form.

That second link was not a Supreme Court ruling, actually. In any case, I'd be interested to see more sources, as the restraining order was ruled on as the order itself being a process, not something governed by due process, not whether or not law enforcement has a duty to stop crimes in progress that they witness and can reasonably stop, and a single federal court ruling does not, a solid argument, make, as the ruling of a single judge is the opinion of one fallible person.

So the individual from the last two links also failed in his case when before a federal judge, but sadly I neither have access to West Law nor the funds needed to search all the cases which cite the first link. Unless you know of a free source or equivalent beside a legal library, then feel free to link that shit, I'll have to leave with this- to do your own research on the subject.

[Holy Tedalonia]

But a much smaller wall in Israel works so this one clearly will too because reasons and logic and facts.

Plus, y’know. The Israeli wall’s fucking expensive.

Atleast they keep zombies out

[Zex]

So your totally fine with ATC, the Coast Guard, and Secret Service working without pay and might not be able to afford rent or feed their kids?
The same goes for those furloughed

Correct, I have absolutely no issue with such prospects. Eventually they will get paid, and they can just quit and/or find temp work in the meantime.
If they incur any suffering, it is their fault (and of no one else) for not planning ahead.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Working for the government is welfare? How heartless are you?

The coast guard and the secret service do important jobs and neither are getting paid right now

I have openly stated that compassion is weakness; along with being of the personal ideology that I must spread fear, hatred, and anger wherever I go.

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You are very edgy and for the sake of your own soul you should stop this edgyness.

[The South Falls]

So your totally fine with ATC, the Coast Guard, and Secret Service working without pay and might not be able to afford rent or feed their kids?
The same goes for those furloughed

Correct, I have absolutely no issue with such prospects. Eventually they will get paid, and they can just quit and/or find temp work in the meantime.
If they incur any suffering, it is their fault (and of no one else) for not planning ahead.

Would you like to be dumped out of a stable job?Also, telling them "just find work lazy fuckers" doesn't help them feed their kids, and pay bills, which they could before.

[Jebslund]

Running out of actual arguments, I take it? You're advocating anarchy, not advocating against one specific government. Nice try, though.

I wish my state government would shut down...

Except I was, quite ironic, that the person resorting to blatant falsehoods is the one who accuses others of "running our of arguments"

[quote="San Lumen";p="35106765]
Yeah why have government at all? Things were so great in Somalia where there was no government for almost 20 years.[/quote]

Quite the question. Also, that's an ugly straw man, if you're going to build one, at least take some pride in your craftsmanship.[/quote]

"If I pretend I didn't say it and only present one statement, it didn't happen!"

You seem to not be contesting that you are arguing in favor of anarchy, rather than simply wanting your state government replaced by a better one, so...

[San Lumen]

So your totally fine with ATC, the Coast Guard, and Secret Service working without pay and might not be able to afford rent or feed their kids?
The same goes for those furloughed

Correct, I have absolutely no issue with such prospects. Eventually they will get paid, and they can just quit and/or find temp work in the meantime.
If they incur any suffering, it is their fault (and of no one else) for not planning ahead.

Yeah just quit a stable job because the President wants a stupid wall and shut down the government over it. and just find Temp work? So easy for you to say.

How is it their fault? Not everyone is wealthy like you and lives in a glass tower to look down upon the peasants. The people i mentioned have kids to feed and rent to pay.

[The South Falls]

Working for the government is welfare? How heartless are you?

The coast guard and the secret service do important jobs and neither are getting paid right now

I have openly stated that compassion is weakness; along with being of the personal ideology that I must spread fear, hatred, and anger wherever I go.

Due to a mixup at my work, I was not payed until my next paycheck. I was paid bi-weekly, that's 4 full weeks without payment. It didn't even phase me, because I possess the ability to sort my finances. If someone is living paycheck-to-paycheck, they deserve to suffer the consequences of their actions (or lack thereof).

So according to your logic being a solder is like being on welfare.
Anyone on welfare means that there life is over.
What.

I always get pissed off when I pass by a fire station. I mean, can’t those lazy bums get a real job and stop leeching off my pay check? Same with those uniformed turds on all those military bases - they make us pay for their college tuition for Christ’s sake!

This is not a new debate, Romans openly discussed this when Rome transitioned from citizen soldiers to professional soldiers. Who exactly do you think is being targeted with the free college, job experience, and loan security provided by the military; the rich? During the last war recruiters openly accepted gangbanger and even scouted people directly out of prison. Hmm... Money from the government, funnelled directly to the poor, not welfare. Very interesting, please continue.

Cops the same thing. They get a free car and other benefits. How dare my tax money go to their equipment!

But the police are a sworn brotherhood of justice, law and order, and righteousness

I don’t mind supporting them

Police are the absolute filth beneath my feet, as by law and Supreme Court ruling it is not the responsibility of the police to protect you- me- or anyone. They can quite literally guide the penis of the rapist into you so-long-as they arrest the man afterwards. They are not just welfare sponges which suck up taxes, they are also given the force and authority to rob people when it's not enough. If a policeman ever helps you, or dies for you, you better thank them... Because it's not their job to do so.

Eventually, you'll need help. And for the sake of consistency let's hope someone sees this and denies you such help.

[Telconi]

Except I was, quite ironic, that the person resorting to blatant falsehoods is the one who accuses others of "running our of arguments"

[quote="San Lumen";p="35106765]
Yeah why have government at all? Things were so great in Somalia where there was no government for almost 20 years.[/quote]

Quite the question. Also, that's an ugly straw man, if you're going to build one, at least take some pride in your craftsmanship.[/quote][/quote]

"If I pretend I didn't say it and only present one statement, it didn't happen!"

You seem to not be contesting that you are arguing in favor of anarchy, rather than simply wanting your state government replaced by a better one, so...[/quote]

The two are not exlusive, as anarchy *is* a better system.

[Des-Bal]

The two are not exlusive, as anarchy *is* a better system.

That's why it's so successful.

[San Lumen]

[quote="San Lumen";p="35106765]
Yeah why have government at all? Things were so great in Somalia where there was no government for almost 20 years.[/quote]

Quite the question. Also, that's an ugly straw man, if you're going to build one, at least take some pride in your craftsmanship.[/quote][/quote]

"If I pretend I didn't say it and only present one statement, it didn't happen!"

You seem to not be contesting that you are arguing in favor of anarchy, rather than simply wanting your state government replaced by a better one, so...[/quote][/quote][/quote]

The two are not exlusive, as anarchy *is* a better system.[/quote]

Anarchy is better than what you have now?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?

Well I mean, the Great Wall didn't keep out the Mongols or the Manchu

My first husband was Mongolian
My second husband is Chinese
I know a thing or two about giant border walls

[San Lumen]

Well I mean, the Great Wall didn't keep out the Mongols or the Manchu

My first husband was Mongolian
My second husband is Chinese
I know a thing or two about giant border walls

Walls throughout history have not been very effective.

[Telconi]

[quote="San Lumen";p="35106765]
Yeah why have government at all? Things were so great in Somalia where there was no government for almost 20 years.[/quote]

Quite the question. Also, that's an ugly straw man, if you're going to build one, at least take some pride in your craftsmanship.[/quote][/quote]

"If I pretend I didn't say it and only present one statement, it didn't happen!"

You seem to not be contesting that you are arguing in favor of anarchy, rather than simply wanting your state government replaced by a better one, so...[/quote][/quote][/quote]

The two are not exlusive, as anarchy *is* a better system.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

Anarchy is better than what you have now?[/quote]

Yes.

[Telconi]

The two are not exlusive, as anarchy *is* a better system.

That's why it's so successful.

Relative comparison doesn't necessitate any particular value.

[Ifreann]

Well I mean, the Great Wall didn't keep out the Mongols or the Manchu

My first husband was Mongolian
My second husband is Chinese
I know a thing or two about giant border walls

IB has a thing for Asians confirmed.

[The South Falls]

Well I mean, the Great Wall didn't keep out the Mongols or the Manchu

My first husband was Mongolian
My second husband is Chinese
I know a thing or two about giant border walls

IB is exclusive to asians confirmed.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

If they incur any suffering, it is their fault (and of no one else) for not planning ahead.

Nah, it’s really not.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The two are not exlusive, as anarchy *is* a better system.

So you’re an anarchist now? :^]