US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Republicanana]

The US government has had a partial shutdown since last Saturday. The main issue is over border security. President Trump wants to get around $5 billion for his wall, while the Democrats have proposed $1.6 billion for overall border security, not the wall. Even though it seems to be moving to $0 at this point. As of now, both sides won't back down, and any border security money would be hard to get through Senate Democrats, especially the progressives and potential 2020 candidates. On, January 3, Democrats take over the House and who knows what their CR or Budget will be.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... wn-n952071

Also, DOJ is seeking an indefinite delay in filing deadlines in President Trump's emoluments lawsuit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... wn-n952071

[Unithonia]

This is ridiculous on the side of the Democrats. It's obvious that:
A: Border Security is in no way a proper issue to them, or even something that they care about
B: They want to block everything the president does. Hopefully the voters see this and decide not to vote for the hive-minds on the left.

[Toaslandia]

Trump's wall wouldn't work too well. Most illegal immigrants come in on planes. But the senate should just have about $2.5 billion dollars for border security, with our soldiers down by the border I think we have it covered.

[Vassenor]

This is ridiculous on the side of the Democrats. It's obvious that:
A: Border Security is in no way a proper issue to them, or even something that they care about
B: They want to block everything the president does. Hopefully the voters see this and decide not to vote for the hive-minds on the left.

Reminder that there was a bipartisan spending bill that passed both houses and Trump vetoed it.

[The New California Republic]

This is ridiculous on the side of the Democrats. It's obvious that:
A: Border Security is in no way a proper issue to them, or even something that they care about

The US-Mexican border makes up a relatively small part of the total border that needs to be policed, so saying that the Democrats don't think that border security is an issue is completely spurious. It's like saying that someone who doesn't like pepperoni pizza doesn't like pizza at all.

[Republicanana]

This is ridiculous on the side of the Democrats. It's obvious that:
A: Border Security is in no way a proper issue to them, or even something that they care about
B: They want to block everything the president does. Hopefully the voters see this and decide not to vote for the hive-minds on the left.

Reminder that there was a bipartisan spending bill that passed both houses and Trump vetoed it.

1. Yes, there was a bill that passed both houses, but it was never sent to the President's desk, as both chambers kept amending the bill so that the other chamber would have to keep up the bill again.
2. Since that happened the President never got the bill, so he could not veto it.

[Vassenor]

Reminder that there was a bipartisan spending bill that passed both houses and Trump vetoed it.

1. Yes, there was a bill that passed both houses, but it was never sent to the President's desk, as both chambers kept amending the bill so that the other chamber would have to keep up the bill again.
2. Since that happened the President never got the bill, so he could not veto it.

It never went to his desk because he said he would veto anything which didn't pander to him. Not because of the chambers doing amendments.

[Toaslandia]

This is ridiculous on the side of the Democrats. It's obvious that:
A: Border Security is in no way a proper issue to them, or even something that they care about
B: They want to block everything the president does. Hopefully the voters see this and decide not to vote for the hive-minds on the left.

Cause the president's an idiot. He wants to spend billions of dollars on a wall that won't work and increased border security, even though our border with Mexico is one of the most policed in the world.

[Neutraligon]

Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?

[Vassenor]

Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?

I mean we already have the data to suggest that it wouldn't stop the things it's supposed to stop as those already happen through legal ports of entry.

[Republicanana]

1. Yes, there was a bill that passed both houses, but it was never sent to the President's desk, as both chambers kept amending the bill so that the other chamber would have to keep up the bill again.
2. Since that happened the President never got the bill, so he could not veto it.

It never went to his desk because he said he would veto anything which didn't pander to him. Not because of the chambers doing amendments.

The chambers doing amendments made the bill go through the chambers back-and-forth as there were multiple times the House and Senate modified the budget. That is why President Trump never could officially veto the bill.

[The New California Republic]

Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017 ... effective/

[Vassenor]

It never went to his desk because he said he would veto anything which didn't pander to him. Not because of the chambers doing amendments.

The chambers doing amendments made the bill go through the chambers back-and-forth as there were multiple times the House and Senate modified the budget. That is why President Trump never could officially veto the bill.

So because he hasn't officially vetoed it we're not allowed to talk about how he's said it will unless it panders to him completely?

[Page]

Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?

There is already a vast network of tunnels, and I heard there is this futuristic invention called the ladder.

Even if Trump got a wall of metal spikes like he wants, then he runs into the problem that the entire border is not flat terrain, so a wall from end to end is a geographic impossibility. That is, unless he wants to build the wall further inland, thus ceding American land to Mexico.

We don't need a study to see what a stupid waste of time and money this would be.

[Republicanana]

The chambers doing amendments made the bill go through the chambers back-and-forth as there were multiple times the House and Senate modified the budget. That is why President Trump never could officially veto the bill.

So because he hasn't officially vetoed it we're not allowed to talk about how he's said it will unless it panders to him completely?

Yes, you are allowed to talk about that. Your first message stated that Trump did veto the bill, not that he would. Although I disagree that wanting an additional $5 billion to a discretionary spending budget of $1.305 trillion would be called wanting complete pandering.

[Vassenor]

So because he hasn't officially vetoed it we're not allowed to talk about how he's said it will unless it panders to him completely?

Yes, you are allowed to talk about that. Your first message stated that Trump did veto the bill, not that he would. Although I disagree that wanting an additional $5 billion to a discretionary spending budget of $1.305 trillion would be called wanting complete pandering.

He wants his white elephant funded completely and will veto anything that does not do so. I call that demanding to be pandered to.

[Saxe Au Leind]

Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?

There is already a vast network of tunnels, and I heard there is this futuristic invention called the ladder.

Even if Trump got a wall of metal spikes like he wants, then he runs into the problem that the entire border is not flat terrain, so a wall from end to end is a geographic impossibility. That is, unless he wants to build the wall further inland, thus ceding American land to Mexico.

We don't need a study to see what a stupid waste of time and money this would be.

It would be cheaper to only take in highly skilled Immigrants of the right ethnicity instead of building a wall.

[Shofercia]

Trump's wall wouldn't work too well. Most illegal immigrants come in on planes. But the senate should just have about $2.5 billion dollars for border security, with our soldiers down by the border I think we have it covered.

[Citation needed]

This is ridiculous on the side of the Democrats. It's obvious that:
A: Border Security is in no way a proper issue to them, or even something that they care about

The US-Mexican border makes up a relatively small part of the total border that needs to be policed, so saying that the Democrats don't think that border security is an issue is completely spurious. It's like saying that someone who doesn't like pepperoni pizza doesn't like pizza at all.

The other borders include the US border with Canada, the Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, with the World's largest navy patrolling them, and there's also the Arctic Ocean, but Polar Bears have yet to manifest a major threat.

Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?

Are you expecting Congress to do effective studies? Love your optimism. Congress has commissioned a study on quails having sex while high on cocaine, and another on the effect of leaf blowers on lizards. They don't have time for this border wall stuff! (I recommend reading Rand Paul's Twitter Festivus, whole damn thing's hilarious)

[Vassenor]

There is already a vast network of tunnels, and I heard there is this futuristic invention called the ladder.

Even if Trump got a wall of metal spikes like he wants, then he runs into the problem that the entire border is not flat terrain, so a wall from end to end is a geographic impossibility. That is, unless he wants to build the wall further inland, thus ceding American land to Mexico.

We don't need a study to see what a stupid waste of time and money this would be.

It would be cheaper to only take in highly skilled Immigrants of the right ethnicity instead of building a wall.

Or we could just not be generally racist.

[The New California Republic]

The US-Mexican border makes up a relatively small part of the total border that needs to be policed, so saying that the Democrats don't think that border security is an issue is completely spurious. It's like saying that someone who doesn't like pepperoni pizza doesn't like pizza at all.

The other borders include the US border with Canada, the Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, with the World's largest navy patrolling them, and there's also the Arctic Ocean, but Polar Bears have yet to manifest a major threat.)

You forgot the air border.

[Shofercia]

It would be cheaper to only take in highly skilled Immigrants of the right ethnicity instead of building a wall.

Or we could just not be generally racist.

I'm all for taking high skilled and educated immigrants, irrespective of ethnicity, gender, and other stuff; I'm just not sure why there's a need to take in low skilled, uneducated, immigrants, in times of economic automation, unless the Democrats are just hoping for their eventual votes decades down the line. Or at least the votes of their kids.

[San Lumen]

This can be discussed in the MAGA thread. it doenst need its own

[Shofercia]

The other borders include the US border with Canada, the Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, with the World's largest navy patrolling them, and there's also the Arctic Ocean, but Polar Bears have yet to manifest a major threat.)

You forgot the air border.

The US also has the largest air force and air defense force, and I've yet to see illegal immigrants catapulting themselves into the United States, although any that survive should get automatic citizenship

[Republicanana]

Have there been any studies as to whether a wall as Trump proposes is effective?

Are you expecting Congress to do effective studies? Love your optimism. Congress has commissioned a study on quails having sex while high on cocaine, and another on the effect of leaf blowers on lizards. They don't have time for this border wall stuff! (I recommend reading Rand Paul's Twitter Festivus, whole damn thing's hilarious)[/quote]

I also recommend reading Rand Paul's Twitter thread from when he shut down the government for a few hours, and the tweet where he cites border help for other countries, President Trump should jump all over that.
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/976909053870911488

[The New California Republic]

You forgot the air border.

The US also has the largest air force and air defense force, and I've yet to see illegal immigrants catapulting themselves into the United States, although any that survive should get automatic citizenship

To my knowledge most of the people travelling to the U.S. arrive by air, so my point still stands that the border with Mexico makes up a fraction of the total border.