Japan to resume Whaling in 2019

[Alvecia]

Of course I am. But you and I are looking at that system from a different perspective.
You look at it and see a sacred cow, a thing to be worshiped and protected even at the determent of making.
I look at it and see a slave. Something to be exploited and used to my liking. And the only reason not to destroy or maim it is so that I can keep exploiting and using it.

That is why I will support killing some whales off occasionally to make people happy but not say dropping radioactive waste in the ocean. I don't want humanity to die or suffer horribly. But I also don't want to make humanity a slave to conservation for conservations sake.


You are capable of drinking bleach. Yet you don't.
Just because you can do something does not mean you should.

Thing is this whaling does not even benefit humanity and most humans are against it.

The whale watching busines is larger, more profitable and more popular than killing them.
Humans actually like watching whales, so besides ecological reasons, preserving them is better than killing them.

This is more harmful than beneficial to humans as a whole.

From what I understand they also have quite the impact on the climate as well. Their waste is a big source of nutrients for plankton, which is a big CO2 > O2 converter. According to their wiki page, “it is estimated about 50% of the worlds oxygen is produced via phytoplankton photosynthesis”

[Novus America]

Thing is this whaling does not even benefit humanity and most humans are against it.

The whale watching busines is larger, more profitable and more popular than killing them.
Humans actually like watching whales, so besides ecological reasons, preserving them is better than killing them.

This is more harmful than beneficial to humans as a whole.

That's actually the first intelligent argument I've heard on this thread. And one indeed worth considering. So what's the math on the issue? Like, are the Japanese going to kill so many whales that we can't send tour groups to reliably find and watch them? If so the best solution might be to find a middle ground of some sort. Like say a kill quota or a system where tour groups get to watch a whale and than it's killed to make the Japanese happy.

Well obviously there is a dispute over the exact math, whalers argue that it can be done in conjunction with whale watching, while whale watching companies argue it already has had a negative effect especially as whale watching wants friendly whales that approach boats.
But whalers are most likely to kill those whales rather than the reclusive ones of course.

The friendly whales are the most vulnerable but also the most valuable.

But besides killing them only benefits a tiny number of Japanese while harming the majority of Japanese.

If Japan could demonstrate killing them has any real benefit I would be more interesting in accommodating killing them. But Japan has not done so.
Senseless destruction of something humans like is not beneficial to humanity.

[The Alma Mater]

Thing is this whaling does not even benefit humanity and most humans are against it.

The whale watching busines is larger, more profitable and more popular than killing them.
Humans actually like watching whales, so besides ecological reasons, preserving them is better than killing them.

This is more harmful than beneficial to humans as a whole.

That's actually the first intelligent argument I've heard on this thread.

Really ? You know, handwaving away other moral and ethics systems does not prove yours is superior and right

[Purpelia]

That's actually the first intelligent argument I've heard on this thread.

Really ? You know, handwaving away other moral and ethics systems does not prove yours is superior and right

I am not handwaving anything away. I do not have to. They are based on emotion rather than any measurable physical fact which makes them invalid. Animal rights in all their forms always boil down to rejecting cold hard logic in favor of "aww cute".

[Uxupox]

sashimi of whale meat tastes disgusting however fried whale meat goddamn there is nothing better.

[The Alma Mater]

Really ? You know, handwaving away other moral and ethics systems does not prove yours is superior and right

I am not handwaving anything away. I do not have to. They are based on emotion rather than any measurable physical fact which makes them invalid. Animal rights in all their forms always boil down to rejecting cold hard logic in favor of "aww cute".

So you have not read them but instead have made up some strawman about what they say ?
Hmm. Perhaps we should remove you from the genepool

[Salus Maior]

But besides killing them only benefits a tiny number of Japanese while harming the majority of Japanese.
.

I don't think the Japanese government would continue to support whaling if only a "tiny" percent of Japanese benefited.

[Shofercia]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/25/asia/japan-withdrawal-international-whaling-commission-intl/index.html

Japan has withdrawn from the International Whaling Commission and will resume killing these magnificent creatures for reasons I cannot fathom. Before the whaling commission was formed whales where nearly hunted to extinction.

What is the point of this? Why must humans be so cruel and act like only we matter and other species are this annoyance no one needs?

They were here before us and they share this planet with us and we ought to learn to respect other species instead of being so cruel and heartless towards them.

Your thoughts NSG?

Japan kills whales for research purposes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zduXrLTIc6Q

[Dooom35796821595]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/25/asia/japan-withdrawal-international-whaling-commission-intl/index.html

Japan has withdrawn from the International Whaling Commission and will resume killing these magnificent creatures for reasons I cannot fathom. Before the whaling commission was formed whales where nearly hunted to extinction.

What is the point of this? Why must humans be so cruel and act like only we matter and other species are this annoyance no one needs?

They were here before us and they share this planet with us and we ought to learn to respect other species instead of being so cruel and heartless towards them.

Your thoughts NSG?

Japan kills whales for research purposes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zduXrLTIc6Q

Then where is the abundance of research papers on whales from Japan?

[Purpelia]

I am not handwaving anything away. I do not have to. They are based on emotion rather than any measurable physical fact which makes them invalid. Animal rights in all their forms always boil down to rejecting cold hard logic in favor of "aww cute".

So you have not read them but instead have made up some strawman about what they say ?
Hmm. Perhaps we should remove you from the genepool

None of the morality based arguments so far have presented any measurable physical metric or logical explanations by which killing whales harms humans. Those that did present such metrics and explanations are decidedly in the non moral camp of the argument like the guy I originally quoted.

The moralists just keep jamering on about not causing needless harm as if that is somehow axiomatically good. Newsflash. There are no such thing as moral axioms.

[The Black Forrest]

So you have not read them but instead have made up some strawman about what they say ?
Hmm. Perhaps we should remove you from the genepool

None of the morality based arguments so far have presented any measurable physical metric or logical explanations by which killing whales harms humans. Those that did present such metrics and explanations are decidedly in the non moral camp of the argument like the guy I originally quoted.

The moralists just keep jamering on about not causing needless harm as if that is somehow axiomatically good. Newsflash. There are no such thing as moral axioms.

They're just animals isn't really an argument either.

[Telconi]

None of the morality based arguments so far have presented any measurable physical metric or logical explanations by which killing whales harms humans. Those that did present such metrics and explanations are decidedly in the non moral camp of the argument like the guy I originally quoted.

The moralists just keep jamering on about not causing needless harm as if that is somehow axiomatically good. Newsflash. There are no such thing as moral axioms.

They're just animals isn't really an argument either.

It is if we are operating under the belief that whales are categorically inferior to humans.

[The Black Forrest]

They're just animals isn't really an argument either.

It is if we are operating under the belief that whales are categorically inferior to humans.

And of course that belief is accepted if somebody superior shows up and starts killing us off.

[Ors Might]

It is if we are operating under the belief that whales are categorically inferior to humans.

And of course that belief is accepted if somebody superior shows up and starts killing us off.

The difference there is that we have the ability to object and enforce said objection. Or at least put up a valiant attempt at enforcement. I see nothing that would make me think a whale is my equal in any sense of the word.

[Shofercia]

Japan kills whales for research purposes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zduXrLTIc6Q

Then where is the abundance of research papers on whales from Japan?

Being harpooned. You might want to click the link

[Dooom35796821595]

Then where is the abundance of research papers on whales from Japan?

Being harpooned. You might want to click the link

Do I have to explain the difference between a YouTube video, and scientific papers?

[Shofercia]

Being harpooned. You might want to click the link

Do I have to explain the difference between a YouTube video, and scientific papers?

<-- The Joke

--- Your Head


I rarely use YouTube videos for actual sources. That one was a Chasers joke about how dumb Japanese research claim really is. I thought that me saying "being harpooned" would've solidified the fact that it was a joke, as research papers aren't typically harpooned.

[The Black Forrest]

And of course that belief is accepted if somebody superior shows up and starts killing us off.

The difference there is that we have the ability to object and enforce said objection. Or at least put up a valiant attempt at enforcement. I see nothing that would make me think a whale is my equal in any sense of the word.

Hmmm? So if it's lessor; it's ok to kill?

[Telconi]

It is if we are operating under the belief that whales are categorically inferior to humans.

And of course that belief is accepted if somebody superior shows up and starts killing us off.

There is nobody superior.

[Ors Might]

The difference there is that we have the ability to object and enforce said objection. Or at least put up a valiant attempt at enforcement. I see nothing that would make me think a whale is my equal in any sense of the word.

Hmmm? So if it's lessor; it's ok to kill?

Your error is assuming that killing is wrong. Very few people actually believe that. Most agree that it ain’t wrong to kill someone trying to murder you. “Lesser” has little to do with it. It’s all about why I should care about the lives of whales specifically over the interests of humans.

[Telconi]

The difference there is that we have the ability to object and enforce said objection. Or at least put up a valiant attempt at enforcement. I see nothing that would make me think a whale is my equal in any sense of the word.

Hmmm? So if it's lessor; it's ok to kill?

That is the way the world works, hence why we don't throw people in prison for eating a salad.

[Scomagia]

I feel the same way about whaling as I do about the coal industry, which is to say I couldn't give less of a fuck how many people they employ and I hope they both crash and burn.

[Ors Might]

I feel the same way about whaling as I do about the coal industry, which is to say I couldn't give less of a fuck how many people they employ and I hope they both crash and burn.

Whales and coal are more important than people, apparently.

[Scomagia]

I feel the same way about whaling as I do about the coal industry, which is to say I couldn't give less of a fuck how many people they employ and I hope they both crash and burn.

Whales and coal are more important than people, apparently.

People who work in whaling and coal industries can't do any work other than whaling and coal mining, apparently.

[Ors Might]

Whales and coal are more important than people, apparently.

People who work in whaling and coal industries can't do any work other than whaling and coal mining, apparently.

Job opportunities just grow on trees these days. Hey, since people can just find a better job, why even have protections for workers?