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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:41 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Shame. I understand whaling if the lifeblood for a lot of japanese people, but its still a shame.

A 2006 poll found that 95 percent of Japanese people very rarely or never eat whale meat.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:42 am

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Shame. I understand whaling if the lifeblood for a lot of japanese people, but its still a shame.

A 2006 poll found that 95 percent of Japanese people very rarely or never eat whale meat.

oh.... well then.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:42 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Shame. I understand whaling if the lifeblood for a lot of japanese people, but its still a shame.

A 2006 poll found that 95 percent of Japanese people very rarely or never eat whale meat.

So what is the point of leaving the IWC?
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Postby Reikoku » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:42 am

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Environmentalist organization which harasses Japanese fishermen.


Yeah because who cares about the wales and fish? Only humans matter.


I don't know about that. Wales as a country is alright.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:43 am

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Yeah because who cares about the wales and fish? Only humans matter.


I don't know about that. Wales as a country is alright.

I meant Whales.

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Postby Alanis Star » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:43 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Shame. I understand whaling if the lifeblood for a lot of japanese people, but its still a shame.

A 2006 poll found that 95 percent of Japanese people very rarely or never eat whale meat.


I have to very fair here, but 2006 was more than 10 years ago. In-between this period, a Tsunami, and a nuclear power plant outbreak has happened. Who knows what has happened to these people, as well on whether or not there was an increase or decrease in reliance over whale meat.

My wild guess is that these few years have been a challenge for the people, and they can no longer rely on non-whale sources for meat.
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The New California Republic wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Shame. I understand whaling if the lifeblood for a lot of japanese people, but its still a shame.

A 2006 poll found that 95 percent of Japanese people very rarely or never eat whale meat.

A more recent poll suggests about 14% eat it on occasion, for what it's worth.
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I don't know if whaling has enough demand to justify the environmental cost.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:44 am

San Lumen wrote:

So what is the point of leaving the IWC?


To no longer be subject to the total whaling moratorium?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:44 am

The South Falls wrote:I don't know if whaling has enough demand to justify the environmental cost.

I don't think there is much demand so I see no point to do this

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:46 am

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I have to very fair here, but 2006 was more than 10 years ago. In-between this period, a Tsunami, and a nuclear power plant outbreak has happened. Who knows what has happened to these people, as well on whether or not there was an increase or decrease in reliance over whale meat.

Such polls are relatively rare, so my hands are a bit restricted.




Still very low.
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
The South Falls wrote:I don't know if whaling has enough demand to justify the environmental cost.

I don't think there is much demand so I see no point to do this

I mean, aren't there other sources of meat? Other fish to catch? There are plenty of fish in the sea.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:46 am

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Ifreann wrote:Who exactly hunts whales for food as opposed to doing it commercially?

Like every rural coastal village in my country (My parents live in ones of those, so I can confirm as a primary source)

Do you have something for us other than your word?


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Ifreann wrote:Who exactly hunts whales for food as opposed to doing it commercially?

I believe a poster already stated that their communities did.

Who else? You do actually know about this, don't you? You're not just assuming communities of poor whalers who'd starve if they were kept from hunting whales and eating their catches so you can take swings at San Lumen?
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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:47 am

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The South Falls wrote:I don't know if whaling has enough demand to justify the environmental cost.

I don't think there is much demand so I see no point to do this

Really? I think I’ve told the same story 6 times already
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:48 am

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San Lumen wrote:I don't think there is much demand so I see no point to do this

Really? I think I’ve told the same story 6 times already


They had plenty of time to adapt. What's to stop other countries from pulling out?

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Postby Greater Germany » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:48 am

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Aureumterra wrote:Like every rural coastal village in my country (My parents live in ones of those, so I can confirm as a primary source)

Do you have something for us other than your word?

Out of curiosity would you care if they did? Would it influence your opinion?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:49 am

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Ifreann wrote:Do you have something for us other than your word?

Out of curiosity would you care if they did? Would it influence your opinion?

Not really. I'm trust that Iceland can provide its people with non-whale sources of nutrition.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:51 am

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Greater Germany wrote:Out of curiosity would you care if they did? Would it influence your opinion?

Not really. I'm trust that Iceland can provide its people with non-whale sources of nutrition.

As do I

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Greater Germany wrote:Out of curiosity would you care if they did? Would it influence your opinion?

Not really. I'm trust that Iceland can provide its people with non-whale sources of nutrition.

You’d be mistaken at how isolated some of these villages are, my village was privileged to at least have a small dirt road connecting it to the highway, a lot of these places have nothing but a small airstrip, or no roads at all (accessed only by sea or offroad vehicles)
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:55 am

San Lumen wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Really? I think I’ve told the same story 6 times already


They had plenty of time to adapt. What's to stop other countries from pulling out?

Rusty down in maintenance if I remember correctly.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:57 am

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San Lumen wrote:and lets put whales on the brink of extinction again.

You’d rather people starve to death than kill whales?
Growing up in a rural Icelandic village, many people don’t realize how important whaling is to people’s diets


I lived in Iceland in the mid-1980s; north of Reykjavik, within a short drive of the whaling station on the appropriately named Hvalfjörður. At the time the whaling stations were inoperative, though you could still buy postcards - no doubt appealing to some - of people flensing whales.

I can say with some confidence that no one in mid-80s Iceland 'needed' to eat whale, or even particularly wanted to as far as I could tell. Cod, yes; God we ate lots of cod. But whale, no.

And since the only whaling stations are (I think) on Hvalfjörður, I'm not sure how this is supposed to help your average rural Icelander; these days most of the meat for local consumption seems to be going to hipster whale kebab shops in Reykjavik.

Anyway, the argument that whale meat is a necessary survival food for hard-pressed rural Icelandic communities who don't even have access to a whaling station is silly; saltfiskur and harðfiskur would usually play that role. Though I do understand why people might prefer whale over, say, hákarl.

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Postby Alanis Star » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:58 am

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I have to very fair here, but 2006 was more than 10 years ago. In-between this period, a Tsunami, and a nuclear power plant outbreak has happened. Who knows what has happened to these people, as well on whether or not there was an increase or decrease in reliance over whale meat.

Such polls are relatively rare, so my hands are a bit restricted.


True, true. And as of now, probably not all of them are surveyed. Some are just not very comfortable answering them, I suppose.
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Ifreann wrote:Not really. I'm trust that Iceland can provide its people with non-whale sources of nutrition.

You’d be mistaken at how isolated some of these villages are, my village was privileged to at least have a small dirt road connecting it to the highway, a lot of these places have nothing but a small airstrip, or no roads at all (accessed only by sea or offroad vehicles)

I'd be shocked if your government didn't have off-road vehicles, ships, and aircraft.
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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:00 pm

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Aureumterra wrote:You’d rather people starve to death than kill whales?
Growing up in a rural Icelandic village, many people don’t realize how important whaling is to people’s diets


I lived in Iceland in the mid-1980s; north of Reykjavik, within a short drive of the whaling station on the appropriately named Hvalfjörður. At the time the whaling stations were inoperative, though you could still buy postcards - no doubt appealing to some - of people flensing whales.

I can say with some confidence that no one in mid-80s Iceland 'needed' to eat whale, or even particularly wanted to as far as I could tell. Cod, yes; God we ate lots of cod. But whale, no.

And since the only whaling stations are (I think) on Hvalfjörður, I'm not sure how this is supposed to help your average rural Icelander; these days most of the meat for local consumption seems to be going to hipster whale kebab shops in Reykjavik.

Anyway, the argument that whale meat is a necessary survival food for hard-pressed rural Icelandic communities who don't even have access to a whaling station is silly; saltfiskur and harðfiskur would usually play that role. Though I do understand why people might prefer whale over, say, hákarl.

Anything’s better than hákarl :p
No but really, my village was near Húsavík (a half hour drive away), and it felt like total isolation, whale was one of the staple foods

I’d say villages on the East Coast (Especially near Reykjavik), are much better off, have you been to the West Coast? (North of Keflavík?)
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:00 pm

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San Lumen wrote:I don't think there is much demand so I see no point to do this

Really? I think I’ve told the same story 6 times already

I'm sorry, can you link me to that post?
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