Denmark Passes Law Requiring New Citizens Shake Hands

[Western Vale Confederacy]

...How did you get that from Vass' post?


Have you got a source?

It's the classic logic that Bush 43 summed up as "you're either with us, or with the terrorists".

It genuinely baffles me that you would throw your unconditional support behind a group of people who would very much not support you in return (and I am being very caring by not mentioning that they'd very much harm you if they had the legal power to do so).

[The Grims]

Unlimited immigration with the expressed goal of replacing the native populations of Europe is also ethnic cleansing.

I like the outcome where Europe isn't colonized and remains European.

Obviously you prefer the outcome where Europe is colonized by the dregs of Africa and Asia

...How did you get that from Vass' post?

Admittedly muslim youths in Europe have been loudly declaring this for decades. Especially when scolded for doing something bad.

Nowadays people seem afraid to scold for fear of the youths families.

Have you got a source?

Nope, only anecdotal "we will rule this country and then you'll be sorry" remarks.
But hundreds of them. From many people. Always dismissed as silly childbanter.

Have not heaard them in the last decade though.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Maybe they should just require new citizens to do jazz hands.

[Vassenor]

It's the classic logic that Bush 43 summed up as "you're either with us, or with the terrorists".

It genuinely baffles me that you would throw your unconditional support behind a group of people who would very much not support you in return (and I am being very caring by not mentioning that they'd very much harm you if they had the legal power to do so).

Get the fuck out of here with that identity politics bullshit.

Or are you trying to say I should be throwing unconditional support behind the people who -do- have the legal power to hurt people like me and who are actively trying it do so?

Remember, it wasn't the Muslims who passed Section 28.

[Reikoku]

It genuinely baffles me that you would throw your unconditional support behind a group of people who would very much not support you in return (and I am being very caring by not mentioning that they'd very much harm you if they had the legal power to do so).

Get the fuck out of here with that identity politics bullshit.

Or are you trying to say I should be throwing unconditional support behind the people who -do- have the legal power to hurt people like me and who are actively trying it do so?

Remember, it wasn't the Muslims who passed Section 28.

Seems like the main problem with the conservatives who passed Section 28 was that they weren't exotic enough by your standards to get away with their homophobia.

[Vassenor]

Get the fuck out of here with that identity politics bullshit.

Or are you trying to say I should be throwing unconditional support behind the people who -do- have the legal power to hurt people like me and who are actively trying it do so?

Remember, it wasn't the Muslims who passed Section 28.

Seems like the main problem with the conservatives who passed Section 28 was that they weren't exotic enough by your standards to get away with their homophobia.

Oh hey, more things I've never said.

[Reikoku]

Seems like the main problem with the conservatives who passed Section 28 was that they weren't exotic enough by your standards to get away with their homophobia.

Oh hey, more things I've never said.

You didn't have to. You've made it clear through the entire thread that you're more than happy to overlook sexism and homophobia when it's done by people who aren't white Christian males. You can do that shitty snark routine that you think is clever all you want. People see through it like water.

[Vassenor]

Oh hey, more things I've never said.

You didn't have to. You've made it clear through the entire thread that you're more than happy to overlook sexism and homophobia when it's done by people who aren't white Christian males. You can do that shitty snark routine that you think is clever all you want. People see through it like water.

Show the class where I said any of that then. And I mean actually said it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Eh, not really.
Homosexual acts are haram in the 1st place so it doesn't really matter if they hold hands or not. But if that risk is a thing then the man/woman shouldn't shake hands with the same sex either.

So if unmarried sex is also haram, then what is wrong with shaking hands in all other cases?

Not sure what else there is with a married woman twice your age holding public office shaking your hand in the official capacity of affirming citizenship.

There's a Hadith (Hasan Sahih) about the banning of alcohol in Al-Islam. Here it is. It's pretty much the same case here.

Again with the ethnic cleansing.

Everybody drink.

Unlimited immigration with the expressed goal of replacing the native populations of Europe is also ethnic cleansing.

I like the outcome where Europe isn't colonized and remains European.

Obviously you prefer the outcome where Europe is colonized by the dregs of Africa and Asia

And yet again the far right cannot tell the difference between immigration and colonization.

In Arab culture, there's a lot of affection shown when two people embrace one another. It's not romantic, but purely platonic. The Spanish also do this, taking it from the Umayyads.

Kissing is still vastly more romantic than a handshake.

Which is why it shouldn't be done with the opposite sex.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

It genuinely baffles me that you would throw your unconditional support behind a group of people who would very much not support you in return (and I am being very caring by not mentioning that they'd very much harm you if they had the legal power to do so).

Get the fuck out of here with that identity politics bullshit.

Or are you trying to say I should be throwing unconditional support behind the people who -do- have the legal power to hurt people like me and who are actively trying it do so?

Remember, it wasn't the Muslims who passed Section 28.

Last time I checked, the hypermajority of Danes are quite accepting of LGBT folk, with the exceptions being very much rare.

Meanwhile, your average Muslim (average as in plucked from your standard Middle Eastern immigrant crowd, not Western Muslims who have effectively become the Islamic version of Reform Jews) has a noticeable dislike for such people, and that's in the best-case scenarios. The worst-case scenarios involve them wanting you dead, and thank dear Christ they do not have the legal power nor the societal leverage (except in their own countries of origin) to actually go through with such heinous acts.

Unconditionally supporting such kinds of people is literally shooting yourself and the movement you spent decades building up to protect your gained rights as human beings in the foot. A terrible mistake, to say the least.

Also, I politely ask you to cease with the snark and insults, I am not your enemy and I do not wish to antagonize you, I very much prefer the discussion to remain civilized, thank you.

[Vassenor]

Get the fuck out of here with that identity politics bullshit.

Or are you trying to say I should be throwing unconditional support behind the people who -do- have the legal power to hurt people like me and who are actively trying it do so?

Remember, it wasn't the Muslims who passed Section 28.

Last time I checked, the hypermajority of Danes are quite accepting of LGBT folk, with the exceptions being very much rare.

Meanwhile, your average Muslim (average as in plucked from your standard Middle Eastern immigrant crowd, not Western Muslims who have effectively become the Islamic version of Reform Jews) has a noticeable dislike for such people, and that's in the best-case scenarios. The worst-case scenarios involve them wanting you dead, and thank dear Christ they do not have the legal power nor the societal leverage (except in their own countries of origin) to actually go through with such heinous acts.

Unconditionally supporting such kinds of people is literally shooting yourself and the movement you spent decades building up to protect your gained rights as human beings in the foot. A terrible mistake, to say the least.

Also, I politely ask you to cease with the snark and insults, I am not your enemy and I do not wish to antagonize you, I very much prefer the discussion to remain civilized, thank you.

Yet you insist on accusing me of saying things I have not.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Meanwhile, your average Muslim (average as in plucked from your standard Middle Eastern immigrant crowd, not [u]Western Muslims who have effectively become the Islamic version of Reform Jews[u])

Astaghfirullah...

[The Huskar Social Union]

Meanwhile, your average Muslim (average as in plucked from your standard Middle Eastern immigrant crowd, not [u]Western Muslims who have effectively become the Islamic version of Reform Jews[u])

Astaghfirullah...

In English

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Last time I checked, the hypermajority of Danes are quite accepting of LGBT folk, with the exceptions being very much rare.

Meanwhile, your average Muslim (average as in plucked from your standard Middle Eastern immigrant crowd, not Western Muslims who have effectively become the Islamic version of Reform Jews) has a noticeable dislike for such people, and that's in the best-case scenarios. The worst-case scenarios involve them wanting you dead, and thank dear Christ they do not have the legal power nor the societal leverage (except in their own countries of origin) to actually go through with such heinous acts.

Unconditionally supporting such kinds of people is literally shooting yourself and the movement you spent decades building up to protect your gained rights as human beings in the foot. A terrible mistake, to say the least.

Also, I politely ask you to cease with the snark and insults, I am not your enemy and I do not wish to antagonize you, I very much prefer the discussion to remain civilized, thank you.

Yet you insist on accusing me of saying things I have not.

I was not the one to accuse you of such things, I merely stated that I considered it self-detrimental and dangerous that LGBT folk would support Muslims UNCONDITIONALLY (a very important key word here), especially fresh arrivals from the Middle East, whose culture and norms are drastically different than that of the West.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Astaghfirullah...

In English

Don't worry, it wasn't to you
أَسْتَغْفِرُ الله --> Astaghfirullah --> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/astaghfirullah (See #3, that's how I'm using it)

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile, your average Muslim (average as in plucked from your standard Middle Eastern immigrant crowd, not [u]Western Muslims who have effectively become the Islamic version of Reform Jews[u])

Also this confuses me. I thought Western Muslims were supposed to be steadfastly refusing to change their beliefs to fit cultural norms and that is what made them bad.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Meanwhile, your average Muslim (average as in plucked from your standard Middle Eastern immigrant crowd, not [u]Western Muslims who have effectively become the Islamic version of Reform Jews[u])

Also this confuses me. I thought Western Muslims were supposed to be steadfastly refusing to change their beliefs to fit cultural norms and that is what made them bad.

Correct, we're supposed to be that way. Unfortunately the kufr (disbelief) and DHulm (wrongdoing) of society changed a good amount of us.

Now the "makes us bad" is just a satanic opinion we (at least I) don't care about.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

In English

Don't worry, it wasn't to you
أَسْتَغْفِرُ الله --> Astaghfirullah --> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/astaghfirullah (See #3, that's how I'm using it)

I do not ask for forgiveness unless I have actually done something wrong.

Denouncing a group of people for holding often hostile views towards a societal minority (the LGBT folk) and for refusing a handshake, one of the most basic and important gestures in Western etiquette because the other person appeared to be a woman isn't wrong.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Meanwhile, your average Muslim (average as in plucked from your standard Middle Eastern immigrant crowd, not [u]Western Muslims who have effectively become the Islamic version of Reform Jews[u])

Also this confuses me. I thought Western Muslims were supposed to be steadfastly refusing to change their beliefs to fit cultural norms and that is what made them bad.

When did I ever say that, though?

My main gripe is at the Middle Eastern migrants, not the naturalized Muslims (whose radicalization is most often caused by different factors altogether).

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I do not ask for forgiveness unless I have actually done something wrong.

Show me where I told you to.

Denouncing a group of people for holding often hostile views towards a societal minority (the LGBT folk) and for refusing a handshake, one of the most basic and important gestures in Western etiquette

>Implying there are no other forms of basic etiquette

because the other person appeared to be a woman isn't wrong.

1: It works the other way too, idk why you're just pointing out the male-to-female side
2: Well yes, opinions are neither wrong nor right

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I do not ask for forgiveness unless I have actually done something wrong.

Show me where I told you to.

Denouncing a group of people for holding often hostile views towards a societal minority (the LGBT folk) and for refusing a handshake, one of the most basic and important gestures in Western etiquette

>Implying there are no other forms of basic etiquette

because the other person appeared to be a woman isn't wrong.

1: It works the other way too, idk why you're just pointing out the male-to-female side
2: Well yes, opinions are neither wrong nor right

Western country, Western etiquette.

I can't just go to, say, China and expect everybody to bend to Canadian etiquette. I must instead learn THEIR etiquette and roll with it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Show me where I told you to.

>Implying there are no other forms of basic etiquette

1: It works the other way too, idk why you're just pointing out the male-to-female side
2: Well yes, opinions are neither wrong nor right

Western country, Western etiquette.

That's not a counterargument to point #1

I can't just go to, say, China and expect everybody to bend to Canadian etiquette. I must instead learn THEIR etiquette and roll with it.

Or not.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Western country, Western etiquette.

That's not a counterargument to point #1

I can't just go to, say, China and expect everybody to bend to Canadian etiquette. I must instead learn THEIR etiquette and roll with it.

Or not.

"No u" is not a valid argument, please present me a more convincing point.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That's not a counterargument to point #1

Or not.

"No u" is not a valid argument, please present me a more convincing point.

Neither was "Western country, Western etiquette" considering that there are dozens of different ways to greet people.

Also, I should've added more to my last point: national etiquette is not the same as religious etiquette. You can change the former, not the latter.

[Vassenor]

Most people aren't going to pitch a fit if you respond to an offered handshake with a different but still obvious gesture of respect.