Denmark Passes Law Requiring New Citizens Shake Hands

[Jolthig]

I wouldn't go that far. Some cultures show a lot of affection through handshaking and other forms of physical contact.

I think the best way for both Danish officers and Muslim refugees is to research other cultures for a better understanding of one another

It would be best if Muslim refugees moved to Muslim countries.

And Muslim friendly countries tries.

For Muslim countries,
Provided they are safe. Jordan and Morocco would be good places.

[Kaggeceria]

...why?

Because spending time with women will cause the developing of romantic feelings.

I would wager that depends largely on the woman and whether or not one is actually looking for romance.

And even so, why is that bad?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because spending time with women will cause the developing of romantic feelings.

I would wager that depends largely on the woman and whether or not one is actually looking for romance.

And even so, why is that bad?

It's certainly bad if you or they are married or otherwise committed.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It would be best if Muslim refugees moved to Muslim countries.

And Muslim friendly countries tries.

For Muslim countries,
Provided they are safe. Jordan and Morocco would be good places.

Yeah. And Oman, Algeria, I think Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, The Stans excluding Pakistan and Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Senegal, The Gambia, etc.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What would you say the odds are of wanting to f someone just because you shook their hand?

Next to none.

[Jolthig]

Because spending time with women will cause the developing of romantic feelings.

I would wager that depends largely on the woman and whether or not one is actually looking for romance.

And even so, why is that bad?

Because of the hormones in peoples bodies.

Those who have beauty may have the potential to attract those of the opposite sex. Yes, it's TRUE they need to be responsible for themselves.

Hence, islam requiring muslims especially us men to have our eyes lowered and women to cover themselves. Its modesty.

[Kaggeceria]

I would wager that depends largely on the woman and whether or not one is actually looking for romance.

And even so, why is that bad?

It's certainly bad if you or they are married or otherwise committed.

Sure, but if you work or go to school or pretty much leave the house at any point then you will end up spending time with women. Coworkers, classmates, friends, friends of friends, etc.

It's kind of hard to avoid. Its must more beneficial to simply learn some level of self-control.

[Kaggeceria]

What would you say the odds are of wanting to f someone just because you shook their hand?

Next to none.

Then what's the problem with shaking hands?

[Kaggeceria]

I would wager that depends largely on the woman and whether or not one is actually looking for romance.

And even so, why is that bad?

Because of the hormones in peoples bodies.

Those who have beauty may have the potential to attract those of the opposite sex. Yes, it's TRUE they need to be responsible for themselves.

Hence, islam requiring muslims especially us men to have our eyes lowered and women to cover themselves. Its modesty.

Handshaking is not immodest.

[Jolthig]

I would wager that depends largely on the woman and whether or not one is actually looking for romance.

And even so, why is that bad?

It's certainly bad if you or they are married or otherwise committed.

Not to mention, chastity is huge part in both of our Faith's. In mine, we try hard to prevent awkward situations from happebing.

I always am cautious when around those of the opposite sex. Especially those of my age. And especially because of my own age.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's certainly bad if you or they are married or otherwise committed.

Sure, but if you work or go to school or pretty much leave the house at any point then you will end spending time with women. Coworkers, classmates, friends, friends of friends, etc.

It's kind of hard to avoid. Its must more beneficial to simply learn some level of self-control.

People can't be prevented from developing thoughts, they just learn to live with them, but it is better for them not to develop in the first place.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's certainly bad if you or they are married or otherwise committed.

Not to mention, chastity is huge part in both of our Faith's. In mine, we try hard to prevent awkward situations from happebing.

I always am cautious when around those of the opposite sex. Especially those of my age. And especially because of my own age.

Yes, if one isn't, such situations are bound to arise.

[Izaakia]

If shaking a heads with a woman is bad because it can lead to impure thoughts, then logically, isn’t shaking hands with men a gateway to homosexuality?

Never mind the men holding hands culture that seems to exist in the Middle East.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Next to none.

Then what's the problem with shaking hands?

Well if it's haram then you shouldn't be disobeying the commands of Shari'ah. Also, when a large amount of something is haram, even a small amount is forbidden.

[Jolthig]

Because of the hormones in peoples bodies.

Those who have beauty may have the potential to attract those of the opposite sex. Yes, it's TRUE they need to be responsible for themselves.

Hence, islam requiring muslims especially us men to have our eyes lowered and women to cover themselves. Its modesty.

Handshaking is not immodest.

It's a form of physical contact. Yes, it may be brief, and yes, it conveys to both parties on whom the person they're shaking hands with is. But since shaking hands also requires a lot of eye contact, this goes against the principles of Islamic modesty to always be on one's guard.

While one may have enough restraint in most cases to not act on their desires, however, in their minds, they may think sexual things about that person of the opposite sex. Islam also strives to eliminate impure thoughts as one must be pure in all aspects - mind, soul, and physical body.

[Jolthig]

If shaking a heads with a woman is bad because it can lead to impure thoughts, then logically, isn’t shaking hands with men a gateway to homosexuality?

Never mind the men holding hands culture that seems to exist in the Middle East.

No because in Islam, the Quran appeals to the natural state of man and homosexuality isn't natural.

If one has homosexual thoughts, then they should strive to eliminate such thoughts by fasting, dieting, dressing modestly, and occupying themselves with prayer

The above also applies to heterosexuals

[El-Amin Caliphate]

If shaking a heads with a woman is bad because it can lead to impure thoughts, then logically, isn’t shaking hands with men a gateway to homosexuality?

Eh, not really.
Homosexual acts are haram in the 1st place so it doesn't really matter if they hold hands or not. But if that risk is a thing then the man/woman shouldn't shake hands with the same sex either.

[Jolthig]

Handshaking is not immodest.

It's a form of physical contact. Yes, it may be brief, and yes, it conveys to both parties on whom the person they're shaking hands with is. But since shaking hands also requires a lot of eye contact, this goes against the principles of Islamic modesty to always be on one's guard.

While one may have enough restraint in most cases to not act on their desires, however, in their minds, they may think sexual things about that person of the opposite sex. Islam also strives to eliminate impure thoughts as one must be pure in all aspects - mind, soul, and physical body.

Islam is where one submits themselves completely to the authority of Allah, and in every aspect of their life, they live as if it was judgment day. A Muslim is to be careful in every single affair they do. This is another reason why handshaking is discouraged in Islam because Islam also focuses on the mind and intentions of a person and not just actions.

If you think sexual things about the person of the opposite sex, then you are molesting them in your mind, and that is not approved in islam.

[Izaakia]

So if relations with the same sex are always haram, and relations with women aren’t always haram, I don’t understand the logic in being able to shake hands with a man but not a woman, there should be some form of consistency.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's a form of physical contact. Yes, it may be brief, and yes, it conveys to both parties on whom the person they're shaking hands with is. But since shaking hands also requires a lot of eye contact, this goes against the principles of Islamic modesty to always be on one's guard.

While one may have enough restraint in most cases to not act on their desires, however, in their minds, they may think sexual things about that person of the opposite sex. Islam also strives to eliminate impure thoughts as one must be pure in all aspects - mind, soul, and physical body.

Islam is where one submits themselves completely to the authority of Allah, and in every aspect of their life, they live as if it was judgment day. A Muslim is to be careful in every single affair they do. This is another reason why handshaking is discouraged in Islam because Islam also focuses on the mind and intentions of a person and not just actions.

If you think sexual things about the person of the opposite sex, then you are molesting them in your mind, and that is not approved in islam.

Relevant Hadith

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So if relations with the same sex are always haram

No one said that.

[Jolthig]

So if relations with the same sex are always haram, and relations with women aren’t always haram, I don’t understand the logic in being able to shake hands with a man but not a woman, there should be some form of consistency.

You do have a valid question indeed.

Honestly, I dont know at this point, but probably like Amin said, if you have homosexual thoughts, then it's best to not have physical contact.

[Izaakia]

If shaking a heads with a woman is bad because it can lead to impure thoughts, then logically, isn’t shaking hands with men a gateway to homosexuality?

Eh, not really.
Homosexual acts are haram in the 1st place so it doesn't really matter if they hold hands or not. But if that risk is a thing then the man/woman shouldn't shake hands with the same sex either.

You literally said it

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Eh, not really.
Homosexual acts are haram in the 1st place so it doesn't really matter if they hold hands or not. But if that risk is a thing then the man/woman shouldn't shake hands with the same sex either.

Oh, I though you meant "relations" as in non-romantic. Yes, those (romantic same sex relations) are haram. Being with the opposite sex is mostly haram unless it's with good intentions, and even then there are parameters.

[Kaggeceria]

Then what's the problem with shaking hands?

Well if it's haram then you shouldn't be disobeying the commands of Shari'ah. Also, when a large amount of something is haram, even a small amount is forbidden.

And this is why Sharia is incompatable with Western culture and should be outlawed.