Denmark Passes Law Requiring New Citizens Shake Hands

[United Muscovite Nations]

This is the most overdramatic thing I've ever heard, get over yourself.

Is it overdramatic ? As has been pointed out - by muslims themselves I might add - the reason for the refusal is a sincere belief that shaking hands is a prelude for impure thoughts and deeds against which there exists no other defense. That is a pretty scary primitive thought - and one for which they refuse to seek professional help.

Except it's not a "scary primitive thought."

[Jolthig]

This is the most overdramatic thing I've ever heard, get over yourself.

Is it overdramatic ? As has been pointed out - by muslims themselves I might add - the reason for the refusal is a sincere belief that shaking hands is a prelude for impure thoughts and deeds against which there exists no other defense. That is a pretty scary primitive thought - and one for which they refuse to seek professional help.

As I've also pointed out in another place, Islam doesn't say that impure thoughts are absolutely going to happen. Rather, it is simply a preventative measure. Even with professional help, muslims will still abide by the rules of the faith.

There is way more to the concept of Islamic modesty than simply not shaking hands with a stranger woman. Like, for example, marriage is big in Islam. A Muslim, especially a young one, should get married.

It is absolutely an overdramatic response because while it is true that no one knows at first glance who a Muslim is when they refuse to handshake, but also, that no one is going to lust after a woman unless if one sees one do so, which in that case, goes against the rules of Islam.

[The Alma Mater]

Is it overdramatic ? As has been pointed out - by muslims themselves I might add - the reason for the refusal is a sincere belief that shaking hands is a prelude for impure thoughts and deeds against which there exists no other defense. That is a pretty scary primitive thought - and one for which they refuse to seek professional help.

Except it's not a "scary primitive thought."

It absolutely is. Go seek help.

[Jolthig]

Except it's not a "scary primitive thought."

It absolutely is. Go seek help.

So if I tell you, and let's say you're a woman, to cover yourself up or you're not welcome in my hypothetical Muslim country, would you call me overdramatic?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Except it's not a "scary primitive thought."

It absolutely is. Go seek help.

No, it's not any more primitive a thought than any other form of thought. The idea that we should be punishing forms of thought that aren't modern enough is itself foolish.

[The Alma Mater]

Is it overdramatic ? As has been pointed out - by muslims themselves I might add - the reason for the refusal is a sincere belief that shaking hands is a prelude for impure thoughts and deeds against which there exists no other defense. That is a pretty scary primitive thought - and one for which they refuse to seek professional help.

As I've also pointed out in another place, Islam doesn't say that impure thoughts are absolutely going to happen. Rather, it is simply a preventative measure. Even with professional help, muslims will still abide by the rules of the faith.

There is way more to the concept of Islamic modesty than simply not shaking hands with a stranger woman. Like, for example, marriage is big in Islam. A Muslim, especially a young one, should get married.

It is absolutely an overdramatic response because while it is true that no one knows at first glance who a Muslim is when they refuse to handshake, but also, that no one is going to lust after a woman unless if one sees one do so, which in that case, goes against the rules of Islam.

Sorry,but I am going to value the words of Islamic scholars who adhere to the ban over those of a random person on an internet forum who does not.

[Jolthig]

As I've also pointed out in another place, Islam doesn't say that impure thoughts are absolutely going to happen. Rather, it is simply a preventative measure. Even with professional help, muslims will still abide by the rules of the faith.

There is way more to the concept of Islamic modesty than simply not shaking hands with a stranger woman. Like, for example, marriage is big in Islam. A Muslim, especially a young one, should get married.

It is absolutely an overdramatic response because while it is true that no one knows at first glance who a Muslim is when they refuse to handshake, but also, that no one is going to lust after a woman unless if one sees one do so, which in that case, goes against the rules of Islam.

Sorry,but I am going to value the words of Islamic scholars who adhere to the ban over those of a random person on an internet forum who does not.

Sure, and that's fine, but just because I am not a scholar does not mean I am not incorrect. Appeal to authority. Especially in this context is not a very good argument. Besides, although it's possible you have had a long day here on NSG, or in life or in the heat of the moment, this is quite a childish statement in of itself.

To simply discredit me based on scholars you claim is correct is sophistical.

[The Alma Mater]

It absolutely is. Go seek help.

So if I tell you, and let's say you're a woman, to cover yourself up or you're not welcome in my hypothetical Muslim country, would you call me overdramatic?

If your reasoning is that you would otherwise be overcome with lust and unable to control those thoughts and/or subsequent actions I would call you primitive, scary and in dire need of help.

Oh, and wonder why you try to make YOUR problem (lack of selfcontrol) MY problem (forcing me to wear a burkha).

I would however adhere to your customs. Your country after all. But would not desire citizenship then.

[VoVoDoCo]

You are either:

• Conflating conformity with the law with non-shittyness, making the religion only shitty in retrospect of Denmark's law.

I’m not talking about Denmark but in general.

Suggesting that equality between people of different religions is somehow less important than equality between sexes, which dare I say is very discriminatory.

I didn’t say that. But religions which don’t conform to our way of life shouldn’t be allowed. Men and women are considered equals in the west. Religions that think otherwise can go fuck off.

Believing that equality under the law, which is defined as "any basic right or freedom to which all human beings are entitled and in whose exercise a government may not interfere (including rights to life and liberty as well as freedom of thought and expression and equality before the law)", somehow permits the use of legislation to target certain social groups. Are you sure you're not conflating equality under the law with entitlement to pointless national folkways?

No I’m not. Again I’m talking in general here. If you want to defend a woman abusing religion or a religion that thinks child rape is ok then go ahead. But for the rest of western world we aren’t going to tolerate that shit

1A. Well,this thread is about Denmark.
1B. Also,you said, "Because we live in a nation where men and women are equal under the law. Any religion that goes against said law is obviously shit." When you speak of going against the law, I assume you meant the jams shaking law. Unless you meant it goes against equality under the law to not shake hands,to which I'm not sure Wyatt definition you're using.

2A. It was implied. People with religious convictions have to bow down to your convictions because you desire Male-Female interactions to conform to a stupid fl meaningless folkway.
2B. Also, handshakes are a way of life? Why don't you make religious toleration a way of life and expect that out of Muslims?

3. " if you believe people should only shake hands voluntarily you advocate woman abuse and child rape."

[VoVoDoCo]

also,I'm on mobile. Excuse the typos

[Jolthig]

So if I tell you, and let's say you're a woman, to cover yourself up or you're not welcome in my hypothetical Muslim country, would you call me overdramatic?

If your reasoning is that you would otherwise be overcome with lust and unable to control those thoughts and/or subsequent actions I would call you primitive, scary and in dire need of help.

Oh, and wonder why you try to make YOUR problem MY problem.

I would however adhere to your customs. Your country after all. But would not desire citizenship then.

That's the point is to prevent it from happening. It's literally a thing of respect in Islam. It's that simple. It doesn't mean every Muslim man or woman is a perverted person with a sick mind. If that's what you think, then I dont know what else to tell you. Other than, it is clear that you have just as much of a paranoid view on muslims as the hypothetical lustful muslims you talk about.

I can tell you are angry. I will end this discussion if you wish.

[Mardla]

"FOREIGNERS WHO ARE COMPLETELY AT ODDS WITH YOUR CULTURE AND WAY OF LIFE ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR FATHERLAND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE ARE LITERALLY HITLER"

I grow happier every day that I voted for Dolan Drumpf.

[Kaggeceria]

Is it overdramatic ? As has been pointed out - by muslims themselves I might add - the reason for the refusal is a sincere belief that shaking hands is a prelude for impure thoughts and deeds against which there exists no other defense. That is a pretty scary primitive thought - and one for which they refuse to seek professional help.

Except it's not a "scary primitive thought."

Yes it is. If you think shaking hands with a woman is enough to make you wanna fuck her then I'd propose that the problem is not the handshake but you.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

"FOREIGNERS WHO ARE COMPLETELY AT ODDS WITH YOUR CULTURE AND WAY OF LIFE ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR FATHERLAND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE ARE LITERALLY HITLER"

I grow happier every day that I voted for Dolan Drumpf.

No one said that. And not shaking hands isn't being completely at odds with a culture.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Except it's not a "scary primitive thought."

Yes it is. If you think shaking hands with a woman is enough to make you wanna f her then I'd propose that the problem is not the handshake but you.

Good thing no one said that.

[Kaggeceria]

"FOREIGNERS WHO ARE COMPLETELY AT ODDS WITH YOUR CULTURE AND WAY OF LIFE ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR FATHERLAND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE ARE LITERALLY HITLER"

I grow happier every day that I voted for Dolan Drumpf.

No one said that. And not shaking hands isn't being completely at odds with a culture.

If a handshake is a common way to greet people in that culture then it most certainly is.

[Kaggeceria]

Yes it is. If you think shaking hands with a woman is enough to make you wanna f her then I'd propose that the problem is not the handshake but you.

Good thing no one said that.

Yes he did. He's worry about "impure thoughts" that might arise due to the handshake, which one would only logically assume would be sexual thoughts.

[Jolthig]

"FOREIGNERS WHO ARE COMPLETELY AT ODDS WITH YOUR CULTURE AND WAY OF LIFE ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR FATHERLAND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE ARE LITERALLY HITLER"

I grow happier every day that I voted for Dolan Drumpf.

No one said that. And not shaking hands isn't being completely at odds with a culture.

I wouldn't go that far. Some cultures show a lot of affection through handshaking and other forms of physical contact.

I think the best way for both Danish officers and Muslim refugees is to research other cultures for a better understanding of one another

[United Muscovite Nations]

Except it's not a "scary primitive thought."

Yes it is. If you think shaking hands with a woman is enough to make you wanna fuck her then I'd propose that the problem is not the handshake but you.

I don't think that, but I certainly do think that physical contact with women is something to be avoided unless you are seeking to court them.

[Kaggeceria]

Yes it is. If you think shaking hands with a woman is enough to make you wanna fuck her then I'd propose that the problem is not the handshake but you.

I don't think that, but I certainly do think that physical contact with women is something to be avoided unless you are seeking to court them.

...why?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No one said that. And not shaking hands isn't being completely at odds with a culture.

If a handshake is a common way to greet people in that culture then it most certainly is.

Not hadnshaking means you don't like anything else in that culture?

Good thing no one said that.

Yes he did. He's worry about "impure thoughts" that might arise due to the handshake, which one would only logically assume would be sexual thoughts.

Yeah, a risk of something happening isn't the same as "oh Imma do it 100%".

[Jolthig]

Except it's not a "scary primitive thought."

Yes it is. If you think shaking hands with a woman is enough to make you wanna fuck her then I'd propose that the problem is not the handshake but you.

You are correct that it is the responsibility of the individual who doesn't handshake is on them and not the opposite gender (non Muslim). Which, yes, that's the point that Islam is trying to make is have some personal responsibility.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't think that, but I certainly do think that physical contact with women is something to be avoided unless you are seeking to court them.

...why?

Because spending time with women will cause the developing of romantic feelings.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No one said that. And not shaking hands isn't being completely at odds with a culture.

I wouldn't go that far. Some cultures show a lot of affection through handshaking and other forms of physical contact.

I think the best way for both Danish officers and Muslim refugees is to research other cultures for a better understanding of one another

It would be best if Muslim refugees moved to Muslim countries.

[Kaggeceria]

If a handshake is a common way to greet people in that culture then it most certainly is.

Not hadnshaking means you don't like anything else in that culture?

If you can't embrace something as basic and fundamental as a form of greeting then I doubt you will embrace other aspects of the culture.

Yes he did. He's worry about "impure thoughts" that might arise due to the handshake, which one would only logically assume would be sexual thoughts.

Yeah, a risk of something happening isn't the same as "oh Imma do it 100%".

What would you say the odds are of wanting to fuck someone just because you shook their hand?