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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Says who?

First off don’t edit my post without showing that you edited it. The mods frown on that.

Second says me and several other people who believe in equality of the sexes. If you’re religion segregates on sex or race and forbids you to touch the opposite sex or another race than that religion is shit

Oh, so not Allah SWT. Ok.
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Postby Estanglia » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:15 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It does actually.

Yes, discrimination against religious groups is fair.

I mean, your only reason for not shaking hands is a God most people in Denmark don't believe in, whilst the double-amputee physically cannot shake hands.
Your reason to atheists/a secular state is as valid as someone claiming they can't shake hands because they don't want to.

Why should we give special exemptions to religious groups anyway? You made that choice to believe that religion. The amputee probably didn't choose to lose their arms.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:15 pm

VoVoDoCo wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:If your religion forbids you from shaking hands with a girl then you are following a shit religion

Why does a religion have to view proper male-female the same as you to not be shit?

Because we live in a nation where men and women are equal under the law. Any religion that goes against said law is obviously shit
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Postby Estanglia » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:16 pm

VoVoDoCo wrote:Or, you could just let people live their lives. No forced interactions, no special funding for certain minorities, just let them live.

Are we forcing them to get Danish citizenship?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:17 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:First off don’t edit my post without showing that you edited it. The mods frown on that.

Second says me and several other people who believe in equality of the sexes. If you’re religion segregates on sex or race and forbids you to touch the opposite sex or another race than that religion is shit

Oh, so not Allah SWT. Ok.

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Postby Novus America » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:18 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Gawdzendia wrote:Good on Denmark, even better knowing that right out of the gate they got the Nazi treatment right here on NSG. To me, if anything, further cements the decision as being a correct one.


So where are the Nazi comparisons?


In the OP, amongst other places.
Are you being willfully obtuse?
It is literally in the OP.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:18 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
VoVoDoCo wrote:Why does a religion have to view proper male-female the same as you to not be shit?

Because we live in a nation where men and women are equal under the law. Any religion that goes against said law is obviously shit poop

Says who?
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:19 pm

Obviously, religious law that dictates rules on the shaking of hands is absurd, but this policy is really just red meat being thrown to a specific base. It's symbolic, but not in a clever or even subtle way, it's trying to equate a handshake to something "Danish," when really, it's just a politically opportunistic (but not savvy law) that will change nothing.

You really think that many new potential citizens are going to go all the way to Denmark, realize they have to shake a hand, and then say "oh fuck, my god doesn't allow this, guess I'm flying back home." No, of course not.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:19 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because we live in a nation where men and women are equal under the law. Any religion that goes against said law is obviously shit

Says who?


Says anyone with common fucking decency.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:20 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because we live in a nation where men and women are equal under the law. Any religion that goes against said law is obviously shit poop

Says who?


People who believe in equality presumably.
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Postby Estanglia » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:20 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:First off don’t edit my post without showing that you edited it. The mods frown on that.

Second says me and several other people who believe in equality of the sexes. If you’re religion segregates on sex or race and forbids you to touch the opposite sex or another race than that religion is shit

Oh, so not Allah SWT. Ok.

And we care because?
Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:21 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Obviously, religious law that dictates rules on the shaking of hands is absurd, but this policy is really just red meat being thrown to a specific base. It's symbolic, but not in a clever or even subtle way, it's trying to equate a handshake to something "Danish," when really, it's just a politically opportunistic (but not savvy law) that will change nothing.

You really think that many new potential citizens are going to go all the way to Denmark, realize they have to shake a hand, and then say "oh fuck, my god doesn't allow this, guess I'm flying back home." No, of course not.

It’s a very blunt instrument for a problem that requires more precision
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:21 pm

Novus America wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Says who?


People who believe in equality presumably.

So do I. (Not) Shaking hands does not make anyone more or less equal though.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:21 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Obviously, religious law that dictates rules on the shaking of hands is absurd, but this policy is really just red meat being thrown to a specific base. It's symbolic, but not in a clever or even subtle way, it's trying to equate a handshake to something "Danish," when really, it's just a politically opportunistic (but not savvy law) that will change nothing.

You really think that many new potential citizens are going to go all the way to Denmark, realize they have to shake a hand, and then say "oh fuck, my god doesn't allow this, guess I'm flying back home." No, of course not.

It’s a very blunt instrument for a problem that requires more precision


I'm exhausted, so do elaborate here.

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Postby Great Winminster » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:21 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because we live in a nation where men and women are equal under the law. Any religion that goes against said law is obviously shit poop

Says who?

Everyone with common sense.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:22 pm

Great Winminster wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Says who?

Everyone with common sense.

Which is moot compared to the sense of Allah SWT.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:22 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because we live in a nation where men and women are equal under the law. Any religion that goes against said law is obviously shit poop

Says who?

Says people who believe in fucking equality between the sexes. Goddamnit I even stated it right in that post. Jesus fucking Christ on a pogo stick
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:22 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Great Winminster wrote:Everyone with common sense.

Which is moot compared to the sense of Allah SWT.

Nah, common sense is superior.
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:23 pm

This thread. Lol

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:24 pm

Ors Might wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Which is moot compared to the sense of Allah SWT.

Nah, common sense is superior.

No it's not. "Common sense" is just something a bunch of people agree upon, doesn't mean it's right.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:24 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s a very blunt instrument for a problem that requires more precision


I'm exhausted, so do elaborate here.

Meaning that the assimilation into danish culture needs to be taken with more care than saying no handshake, no citizenship
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:24 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
I'm exhausted, so do elaborate here.

Meaning that the assimilation into danish culture needs to be taken with more care than saying no handshake, no citizenship


In that case, we're in full agreement.

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Postby Novus America » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:25 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Novus America wrote:
People who believe in equality presumably.

So do I. (Not) Shaking hands does not make anyone more or less equal though.


We have already done this rigamarole. Do you really want us to cite (again) where Islam (at least as you practice it) violates sexual equality?

And yes, because you are okay with shaking hands with men but not women your are treating them unequally. You are extending a curtesy only to men.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:25 pm

Jolthig wrote:This thread. Lol

I'll say another of my peace: you all have a wonderful Christmas from your friendly Ahmadi Muslim NSGer. :)

I hope you’re having a wonderful time with your family and friends this holiday season.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:27 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Nah, common sense is superior.

No it's not. "Common sense" is just something a bunch of people agree upon, doesn't mean it's right.

Least it exists.
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