Denmark Passes Law Requiring New Citizens Shake Hands

[Rhonom]

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[El-Amin Caliphate]

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Exactly

[Thyrgga]

The Texas example was from the 19th century, and the Tibet example is from modern times.

It is very much real and still existing.

Another issue. That was more colonization than immigration. In all except the Texas example, a stronger power settled it's people to push out others.

The Poles invited the Germans in. The Germans were hardly organized as a strong state at the time; they were divided into many small states, while the Polish crown had control of large swathes of territory.

The Texans were also invited in under the Empresario system.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Another issue. That was more colonization than immigration. In all except the Texas example, a stronger power settled it's people to push out others.

The Poles invited the Germans in. The Germans were hardly organized as a strong state at the time; they were divided into many small states, while the Polish crown had control of large swathes of territory.

The Texans were also invited in under the Empresario system.

Actually iirc many Texans were illegal immigrants. Yeah, at 1st they were allowed, but over time the Mexican government told them to stop coming, to no avail.

[Thyrgga]

Say the historical examples.

Okay, so what do they have to do with the Muslim enclaves living in Denmark? Do we know that they have been known for extremism or jihadism of any sort?

They don't have to be "extremist" or "jihadist". I'm not trying to paint them as "terrorists" or "evil". Separate ethnicities will want to have separate states.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Okay, so what do they have to do with the Muslim enclaves living in Denmark? Do we know that they have been known for extremism or jihadism of any sort?

They don't have to be "extremist" or "jihadist". I'm not trying to paint them as "terrorists" or "evil". Separate ethnicities will want to have separate states.

That's not 100% true.

[Thyrgga]

They don't have to be "extremist" or "jihadist". I'm not trying to paint them as "terrorists" or "evil". Separate ethnicities will want to have separate states.

That's not 100% true.

It's true enough of the time. And considering how foreign Arabs are to Danes, given a few decades, it will be true in this example.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That's not 100% true.

It's true enough of the time. And considering how foreign Arabs are to Danes, given a few decades, it will be true in this example.

Prove it.

[Abyssal Shipyard]

Reminder that there really isn't anything wrong with ethnic cleansing. Keeping only your people is preferable to bastardized mixing pots made up of nothing but mongrels.

[Vassenor]

Reminder that there really isn't anything wrong with ethnic cleansing. Keeping only your people is preferable to bastardized mixing pots made up of nothing but mongrels.

That post was so edgy I cut myself just looking at it.

[Thyrgga]

The Poles invited the Germans in. The Germans were hardly organized as a strong state at the time; they were divided into many small states, while the Polish crown had control of large swathes of territory.

The Texans were also invited in under the Empresario system.

Actually iirc many Texans were illegal immigrants. Yeah, at 1st they were allowed, but over time the Mexican government told them to stop coming, to no avail.

There's also no reason why this situation might not arise in our current case, especially if the Muslim immigrants only think of Denmark as tracts of land that they are entitled to settle.

[Thyrgga]

It's true enough of the time. And considering how foreign Arabs are to Danes, given a few decades, it will be true in this example.

Prove it.

You've already hand waved away all the examples by claiming that they're not modern enough. You just don't want to give up your self affirmed right to colonize all other countries.

[Vassenor]

Prove it.

You've already hand waved away all the examples by claiming that they're not modern enough. You just don't want to give up your self affirmed right to colonize all other countries.

And you haven't actually proved that this is what's happening in this case. Just asserted that it must be based on nothing than it having happened before.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Prove it.

You've already hand waved away all the examples by claiming that they're not modern enough. You just don't want to give up your self affirmed right to colonize all other countries.

1: So you can't prove it. Ok.
2:

You just don't want to give up your self affirmed right to colonize all other countries.

What are you talking about?

[The South Falls]

Another issue. That was more colonization than immigration. In all except the Texas example, a stronger power settled it's people to push out others.

The Poles invited the Germans in. The Germans were hardly organized as a strong state at the time; they were divided into many small states, while the Polish crown had control of large swathes of territory.

The Texans were also invited in under the Empresario system.

And, let's notice the Texans had some U.S. support. Good job debating. Anyway, the polish grew weaker and easier to defeat.

[Jolthig]

Okay, so what do they have to do with the Muslim enclaves living in Denmark? Do we know that they have been known for extremism or jihadism of any sort?

They don't have to be "extremist" or "jihadist". I'm not trying to paint them as "terrorists" or "evil". Separate ethnicities will want to have separate states.

Then, multiculturalism is being done poorly then. I prefer Canadas way of assimilating cultures.

[Washington Resistance Army]

They don't have to be "extremist" or "jihadist". I'm not trying to paint them as "terrorists" or "evil". Separate ethnicities will want to have separate states.

Then, multiculturalism is being done poorly then. I prefer Canadas way of assimilating cultures.

Canada has an atrocious record in that record.

[Olthar]

Well that's just absurd. Should I avoid puddles for fear of drowning? Or refrigerators for fear of hypothermia? Shaking a hand won't lead you to sexual debauchery.

And not shaking a hand is not a sign that someone is a latent terrorist.

I never said that was the case?

Well that's just absurd. Should I avoid puddles for fear of drowning? Or refrigerators for fear of hypothermia? Shaking a hand won't lead you to sexual debauchery.

No one said that.

Then it sounds like you're saying nothing at all.

[Thyrgga]

The Poles invited the Germans in. The Germans were hardly organized as a strong state at the time; they were divided into many small states, while the Polish crown had control of large swathes of territory.

The Texans were also invited in under the Empresario system.

And, let's notice the Texans had some U.S. support. Good job debating. Anyway, the polish grew weaker and easier to defeat.

I don't buy your case and you don't buy mine, but I'm going to call it a day.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Reminder that there really isn't anything wrong with ethnic cleansing. Keeping only your people is preferable to bastardized mixing pots made up of nothing but mongrels.

Humanity is doomed. Over a hundred thousand years, and all we've come up with is this nonsense.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And not shaking a hand is not a sign that someone is a latent terrorist.

I never said that was the case?

No one said that.

Then it sounds like you're saying nothing at all.

Did you read my explanations for why some Muslims believe it to be haram? Here they are again:

Yes. And?

Ok, just making sure.

Another thing about this is that it's not always whether there would be impure thoughts or arousal from shaking hands. As that Hadith says (I'm paraphrasing): "if a large amount of something is haram, then even a small part is haram.". There's also this ayah in the Holy Qur'an and this Hadith. Personally, I think that that Hadith has the best evidence condemning shaking hands with the opposite sex - that is, if you take the word "touch" to mean "any touching whatsoever".

The best reasoning I can come up with is because:
1: It's to cut off as much possible ways to sin as possible (if a large amount of something is haram, the small amount becomes haram as well)
2: It's the Sunnah of Rasulullah SAWS

Of course, there are many articles made by and videos of Muslim Islamic scholars that can explain it better than me.

For anyone who wants to know why hand shaking the might be haram, google "shaking hands with the opposite sex in Islam".

[Aellex]

I prefer Canadas way of assimilating cultures.

Being on the constant brink of secession ?

[Markix]

Danish government: "HOLD ON A MINUTE SIR."

Muslim: "What?"

DG: "It's a custom here in Denmark... that upon the completion of the naturalisation ceremony the two parties... SHAKE HANDS (smiles maliciously). Its a gesture of goodwill."

M: "Well I'm not originally from Denmark-"

DG: "BUT YOU ARE... becoming a Citizen here (nods*). I'm afraid I shall have to insist."

M: "Insist? On what? That I shake your hand? Well then I'm afraid I must insist in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION."

DG: "You know what I think you are?"

M: "What you think I am? I would not presume to know."

DG: "... Well it doesn't matter. Because here in Denmark, if you don't shake hands, it doesn't count. Even after all that swearing in and paperwork and ceremony and everything... it don't mean SPIT. If YOU don't shake MY hand."

M: "So if I don't shake your hand, you'll just deport me? I don't think so."

DG: "Officers. If this man tries to leave right now arrest him."

M: "... ... You REALLY want me to shake your hand?"

DG: "I INSIST."

M: "Well if you insist..."

(starts war between the two communities)

...

^

basically, not the greatest idea from Denmark

Good for Denmark,most of the Muslim immigrants are lazy anyway and just want free money from Western countries.

[Jolthig]

I prefer Canadas way of assimilating cultures.

Being on the constant brink of secession ?

No.

I'm speaking of cities like Vancouver for example. They have an excellent way of doing multiculturalism if I am not mistaken. The cultures there get along with one another well.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I prefer Canadas way of assimilating cultures.

Being on the constant brink of secession ?

That's Quebec, who are effectively the Catalonia of Canada (i.e. constantly yelling they'll secede, but never actually doing so)...oh, and the independence movement is dying, with the autonomist movement becoming more prominent now.

I know it because I bloody live there.