Denmark Passes Law Requiring New Citizens Shake Hands

[Thyrgga]

Unless the UN suddenly grew a pair and got WMD's to enforce things no there isn't.

Yea, the UN isn't gonna nuke nations so more people can move there.


Now let me circle back. What's the problem with legal immigration? Having the money or support to immigrate implies one can support him/herself, which means one pays taxes, and the nation is bettered.

That isn't true. Money isn't everything. A large population of Muslim immigrants in Denmark will ultimately lead to civil strife, disunity, and the partition of Denmark, even if additional taxation were being collected by the Danish government in the short term.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yea, the UN isn't gonna nuke nations so more people can move there.


Now let me circle back. What's the problem with legal immigration? Having the money or support to immigrate implies one can support him/herself, which means one pays taxes, and the nation is bettered.

That isn't true. Money isn't everything. A large population of Muslim immigrants in Denmark will ultimately lead to civil strife, disunity, and the partition of Denmark, even if additional taxation were being collected by the Danish government in the short term.

Prove it.

[Olthar]

Adhering to literally ancient rules because your invisible friend told you to and refusing to acknowledge the modern world the rest of us live in

Since when was not shaking hands not acknowledging the modern world?

Shaking hands is a custom of modern culture. Ergo, rejecting hand shakes is rejecting that aspect of modern culture and the modern world. It's like hipsters who insist on only listening to records. But worse because at least records aren't sexist.

[Thyrgga]

We already discussed the historical examples. This is just what human populations do.

So you can't prove it. Ok.

Denmark becoming an Islamic country isn't a problem to you, and I would guess that's because you'd like to see Denmark become an Islamic country.

Well when you put it that way you're right. Then again, I'd like the whole world to become Islamic.

As for proof, what do you want me to do? Build a damn time machine and show you the future? Why is extrapolating from historical examples not good enough?

Why can't you accept that not all peoples want to be Islamic?

[Olthar]

Adhering to literally ancient rules because your invisible friend told you to and refusing to acknowledge the modern world the rest of us live in is absolutely a childish notion.

It's not just about "ancient rules". Its about guarding oneself as Islam repeatedly emphasises on.

If you think that shaking someone's hand poses a serious threat to you, then you're either foolish or paranoid.

[Jolthig]

Yea, the UN isn't gonna nuke nations so more people can move there.


Now let me circle back. What's the problem with legal immigration? Having the money or support to immigrate implies one can support him/herself, which means one pays taxes, and the nation is bettered.

That isn't true. Money isn't everything. A large population of Muslim immigrants in Denmark will ultimately lead to civil strife, disunity, and the partition of Denmark, even if additional taxation were being collected by the Danish government in the short term.

And how so? Muslims have literally varying views on Islam. If any cause trouble, then yeah, kick them out. Or send people to Friday sermons and monitor them to make sure they aren't promoting extremism. If they are, deport them.

At least with us ahmadi muslims, you won't have to worry about extremism as we are peaceful.

[Vassenor]

Yea, the UN isn't gonna nuke nations so more people can move there.


Now let me circle back. What's the problem with legal immigration? Having the money or support to immigrate implies one can support him/herself, which means one pays taxes, and the nation is bettered.

That isn't true. Money isn't everything. A large population of Muslim immigrants in Denmark will ultimately lead to civil strife, disunity, and the partition of Denmark, even if additional taxation were being collected by the Danish government in the short term.

That needs a whole lot of sauce for that "will happen".

[Jolthig]

It's not just about "ancient rules". Its about guarding oneself as Islam repeatedly emphasises on.

If you think that shaking someone's hand poses a serious threat to you, then you're either foolish or paranoid.

I never said that it's a threat. I said in many posts that it's simply a preventative measure, and that one who is observing Islamic customs must take personal responsibility for oneself.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

That's entirely different. That house is inhabited solely by you, or your dependents. A nation is much larger than a house, and because such a nation is a nation, people have the right to legally immigrate there, and contribute to the nation. Is this right uninfringed across the world? No. But is it still a right? Yes.

>A country is much bigger than a house, therefore anyone has the right to inhabit it.

If I owned a large piece of land, would others have the right to squat on it?

That's what happened to Old John Sutter's sawmill.

Took all his land and that became Sacremento.

After his Fort got taken over, he tried a go at a mill, then a farm which was burned-down by angry squatters.

Sutter left Hock Farm and California completely five months after the fire and went to Washington DC to petition congress for redress, where he died in a Pennsylvania hotel room in 1880 never seeing the justice he fought for

Which is somewhat ironic

[Thyrgga]

That isn't true. Money isn't everything. A large population of Muslim immigrants in Denmark will ultimately lead to civil strife, disunity, and the partition of Denmark, even if additional taxation were being collected by the Danish government in the short term.

That needs a whole lot of sauce for that "will happen".

>Drawing analogy with history isn't good enough.
>It's not valid unless some professor somewhere says it explicitly

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Since when was not shaking hands not acknowledging the modern world?

Shaking hands is a custom of modern culture.

Pretty sure that's been a thing for a very, VERY long time.

rejecting hand shakes is rejecting that aspect of modern culture and the modern world.

Yeah, which isn't the same as renting everything about it. Besides not shaking hands with the opposite sex isn't rejecting modern culture.[/quote]

So you can't prove it. Ok.

Well when you put it that way you're right. Then again, I'd like the whole world to become Islamic.

As for proof, what do you want me to do? Build a damn time machine and show you the future? Why is extrapolating from historical examples not good enough?

Because making claims require proof.

Why can't you accept that not all peoples want to be Islamic?

What made you think I couldn't?

[Thyrgga]

As for proof, what do you want me to do? Build a damn time machine and show you the future? Why is extrapolating from historical examples not good enough?

Because making claims require proof.

Why can't you accept that not all peoples want to be Islamic?

What made you think I couldn't?

What is your standard for "proof" ? How does one "prove" with certainty that a future event will occur?

You flatly stated that you think that the whole world should be Islamic.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Yea, the UN isn't gonna nuke nations so more people can move there.


Now let me circle back. What's the problem with legal immigration? Having the money or support to immigrate implies one can support him/herself, which means one pays taxes, and the nation is bettered.

Because some people just don't need to be accepted. People who hold beliefs like Kubumba for example are just not compatible with the western world and we shouldn't try to coddle them out of some stupid belief that tolerance is a virtue.

There was once an englishman presented with this dilemna when dealing with a tribe that burned any surviving widows (alive) when a husband died.

Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Because making claims require proof.

What made you think I couldn't?

What is your standard for "proof" ? How does one "prove" with certainty that a future event will occur?

You flatly stated that you think that the whole world should be Islamic.

And so how does that translate to "I can't accept that it isn't Islamic"? I want the world to be Islamic, but I know that won't happen, so I thank Allah SWT for those who are Muslim and those who are converting.

[Olthar]

If you think that shaking someone's hand poses a serious threat to you, then you're either foolish or paranoid.

I never said that it's a threat. I said in many posts that it's simply a preventative measure, and that one who is observing Islamic customs must take personal responsibility for oneself.

If it's not a threat, then why avoid it as a "preventative measure?" That sounds like classic paranoia to me. Would it be reasonable for me to claim that I want a house without windows as a "preventative measure?" Or refuse to wear clothes with buttons as a "preventative measure?" If something isn't a threat, and you acknowledge that it isn't a threat, then avoiding it is silly.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I never said that it's a threat. I said in many posts that it's simply a preventative measure, and that one who is observing Islamic customs must take personal responsibility for oneself.

If it's not a threat, then why avoid it as a "preventative measure?" That sounds like classic paranoia to me. Would it be reasonable for me to claim that I want a house without windows as a "preventative measure?" Or refuse to wear clothes with buttons as a "preventative measure?" If something isn't a threat, and you acknowledge that it isn't a threat, then avoiding it is silly.

Here's the explanation again:

Yes. And?

Ok, just making sure.

Another thing about this is that it's not always whether there would be impure thoughts or arousal from shaking hands. As that Hadith says (I'm paraphrasing): "if a large amount of something is haram, then even a small part is haram.". There's also this ayah in the Holy Qur'an and this Hadith. Personally, I think that that Hadith has the best evidence condemning shaking hands with the opposite sex - that is, if you take the word "touch" to mean "any touching whatsoever".

The best reasoning I can come up with is because:
1: It's to cut off as much possible ways to sin as possible (if a large amount of something is haram, the small amount becomes haram as well)
2: It's the Sunnah of Rasulullah SAWS

Of course, there are many articles made by and videos of Muslim Islamic scholars that can explain it better than me.

[The South Falls]

Yea, the UN isn't gonna nuke nations so more people can move there.


Now let me circle back. What's the problem with legal immigration? Having the money or support to immigrate implies one can support him/herself, which means one pays taxes, and the nation is bettered.

That isn't true. Money isn't everything. A large population of Muslim immigrants in Denmark will ultimately lead to civil strife, disunity, and the partition of Denmark, even if additional taxation were being collected by the Danish government in the short term.

How? That's just a slippery slope you invented.

[Vassenor]

That needs a whole lot of sauce for that "will happen".

>Drawing analogy with history isn't good enough.
>It's not valid unless some professor somewhere says it explicitly

And I'm wondering what historical facts you are basing this assumption on.

[The South Falls]

Prove it.

We already discussed the historical examples. This is just what human populations do.

What you just described isn't a problem.

I take it we have different meaning of what "sustainable" enaltails. For me, it's "A country should let in as many immigrants and refugees as financially possible".

Denmark becoming an Islamic country isn't a problem to you, and I would guess that's because you'd like to see Denmark become an Islamic country.

"You want legal immigration? You want an Islamic country?"

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>Drawing analogy with history isn't good enough.
>It's not valid unless some professor somewhere says it explicitly

And I'm wondering what historical facts you are basing this assumption on.

It wouldn't really matter. Geopolitical history has changed vastly over the past centuries.

[Rhonom]

muh islam oppressive because handshake no no

handshakes are pretty alien to asian cultures in general. while i don't agree with other muslims who think that handshakes are haram (imo they aren't, that's kinda ridiculous), making it a law is a pretty d move.

You're Muslim yourself?

Na3am akhi

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You're Muslim yourself?

Na3am akhi

Well Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu how are you? It's always great to see another Muslim.

[Rhonom]

Na3am akhi

Well Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu how are you? It's always great to see another Muslim.

Wa3alaikum assalam. Indeed, I'm doing fine, thanks.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Well Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu how are you? It's always great to see another Muslim.

Wa3alaikum assalam. Indeed, I'm doing fine, thanks.

Hal ta3lamu 3araby? (Sorry for so many questions I'm just curious)

[Rhonom]

Wa3alaikum assalam. Indeed, I'm doing fine, thanks.

Hal ta3lamu 3araby? (Sorry for so many questions I'm just curious)

While I don't know Arabic to that extent, I'm taking an educated guess that you're asking me "Are you arab?" I'm not actually, I'm bengali