Denmark Passes Law Requiring New Citizens Shake Hands

[El-Amin Caliphate]

There's no problem with muslims in Denmark. And no, your example of "what if a bunch of europeans moved into a muslim country" is moot. Not only would people still defend their right to do that, as people have a right to live wherever, no one would form an uprising government.

Why do people have a right to live anywhere they want? If some random person wants to live in my house, do I have to admit him?

Countries aren't private property.

[The South Falls]

There's no problem with muslims in Denmark. And no, your example of "what if a bunch of europeans moved into a muslim country" is moot. Not only would people still defend their right to do that, as people have a right to live wherever, no one would form an uprising government.

Why do people have a right to live anywhere they want? If some random person wants to live in my house, do I have to admit him?

That's entirely different. That house is inhabited solely by you, or your dependents. A nation is much larger than a house, and because such a nation is a nation, people have the right to legally immigrate there, and contribute to the nation. Is this right uninfringed across the world? No. But is it still a right? Yes.

[Thyrgga]

The examples of the Ostsiedlung and the Anglo-Saxons in Texas say otherwise. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples from history.

Those guys just trounced the border. They also had more firepower, and limited US support. You trying to tell me that Saudi Arabia or some other nation is going to send an army for an uprising?

They wouldn't have to send an army.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Those guys just trounced the border. They also had more firepower, and limited US support. You trying to tell me that Saudi Arabia or some other nation is going to send an army for an uprising?

They don't need to send an army, they've already infected the entire Sunni world with their interpretation of Islam so immigrants will do the work for them.

No they haven't. Few Sunnis actually like Saudi.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why do people have a right to live anywhere they want? If some random person wants to live in my house, do I have to admit him?

That's entirely different. That house is inhabited solely by you, or your dependents. A nation is much larger than a house, and because such a nation is a nation, people have the right to legally immigrate there, and contribute to the nation. Is this right uninfringed across the world? No. But is it still a right? Yes.

One could make the argument that people who are so wildly out of touch with the rest of the nation and refuse to assimilate don't contribute but indeed harm the nation.

They don't need to send an army, they've already infected the entire Sunni world with their interpretation of Islam so immigrants will do the work for them.

No they haven't. Few Sunnis actually like Saudi.

Polling of Muslim attitudes on various topics has shown its worked, even if they still don't like the Saudi's themselves.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

There's no problem with muslims in Denmark. And no, your example of "what if a bunch of europeans moved into a muslim country" is moot. Not only would people still defend their right to do that, as people have a right to live wherever, no one would form an uprising government.

The examples of the Ostsiedlung and the Anglo-Saxons in Texas say otherwise. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples from history.

Probably the most recent [excl. Africa] being the ethnic cleansing in former Yugoslavia through a combination of murder and gang-rape of infidels in order to increase the muslim population.

Which is... like.. the opposite of what probably should happen in order to spread teh belief.

[Olthar]

This is a monumentally stupid law, but people who refuse to shake hands for "religious reasons" need to get over themselves and grow the fuck up.

[Thyrgga]

Why do people have a right to live anywhere they want? If some random person wants to live in my house, do I have to admit him?

That's entirely different. That house is inhabited solely by you, or your dependents. A nation is much larger than a house, and because such a nation is a nation, people have the right to legally immigrate there, and contribute to the nation. Is this right uninfringed across the world? No. But is it still a right? Yes.

>A country is much bigger than a house, therefore anyone has the right to inhabit it.

If I owned a large piece of land, would others have the right to squat on it?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This is a monumentally stupid law, but people who refuse to shake hands for "religious reasons" need to get over themselves and grow up.

Shaking hands or not has nothing to do with growing up.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That's entirely different. That house is inhabited solely by you, or your dependents. A nation is much larger than a house, and because such a nation is a nation, people have the right to legally immigrate there, and contribute to the nation. Is this right uninfringed across the world? No. But is it still a right? Yes.

>A country is much bigger than a house, therefore anyone has the right to inhabit it.

If I owned a large piece of land, would others have the right to squat on it?

Countries aren't private property.

[Izaakia]

This is a monumentally stupid law, but people who refuse to shake hands for "religious reasons" need to get over themselves and grow up.

Shaking hands or not has nothing to do with growing up.

Yes it does, scared of cooties or something?

[The South Falls]

That's entirely different. That house is inhabited solely by you, or your dependents. A nation is much larger than a house, and because such a nation is a nation, people have the right to legally immigrate there, and contribute to the nation. Is this right uninfringed across the world? No. But is it still a right? Yes.

>A country is much bigger than a house, therefore anyone has the right to inhabit it.

If I owned a large piece of land, would others have the right to squat on it?

A country has a mechanic for legal immigration. Such mechanic has a right to be used. Again, it's just you and your dependents.

[Thyrgga]

They don't need to send an army, they've already infected the entire Sunni world with their interpretation of Islam so immigrants will do the work for them.

No they haven't. Few Sunnis actually like Saudi.

Forget the Saud dynasty. A significantly large enclave of Muslims in Denmark, as it grew, would become more and more autonomous until it formed a Muslim state (presumably of non-Danish ethnicity) in Northern Europe upon formerly Danish territory.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No they haven't. Few Sunnis actually like Saudi.

Forget the Saud dynasty. A significantly large enclave of Muslims in Denmark, as it grew, would become more and more autonomous until it formed a Muslim state (presumably of non-Danish ethnicity) in Northern Europe upon formerly Danish territory.

Prove it.

[Thyrgga]

>A country is much bigger than a house, therefore anyone has the right to inhabit it.

If I owned a large piece of land, would others have the right to squat on it?

A country has a mechanic for legal immigration. Such mechanic has a right to be used. Again, it's just you and your dependents.

Countries are not obligated to have a mechanic for legal immigration.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

A country has a mechanic for legal immigration. Such mechanic has a right to be used. Again, it's just you and your dependents.

Countries are not obligated to have a mechanic for legal immigration.

Yes they are.

[Olthar]

This is a monumentally stupid law, but people who refuse to shake hands for "religious reasons" need to get over themselves and grow up.

Shaking hands or not has nothing to do with growing up.

Adhering to literally ancient rules because your invisible friend told you to and refusing to acknowledge the modern world the rest of us live in is absolutely a childish notion.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Shaking hands or not has nothing to do with growing up.

Adhering to literally ancient rules because your invisible friend told you to and refusing to acknowledge the modern world the rest of us live in

Since when was not shaking hands not acknowledging the modern world?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Countries are not obligated to have a mechanic for legal immigration.

Yes they are.

Unless the UN suddenly grew a pair and got WMD's to enforce things no there isn't.

[The South Falls]

A country has a mechanic for legal immigration. Such mechanic has a right to be used. Again, it's just you and your dependents.

Countries are not obligated to have a mechanic for legal immigration.

Congratulations, you've just invented North Korea.

[Thyrgga]

Forget the Saud dynasty. A significantly large enclave of Muslims in Denmark, as it grew, would become more and more autonomous until it formed a Muslim state (presumably of non-Danish ethnicity) in Northern Europe upon formerly Danish territory.

Prove it.

We already discussed the historical examples. This is just what human populations do.

Basically we would like to remain outside the influence of Islamic law, and a large population of Muslims can use the democratic system to manoeuvre the law towards sharia.
A problem

What you just described isn't a problem.

easily solved by maintaining sustainable rates of migration.

I take it we have different meaning of what "sustainable" enaltails. For me, it's "A country should let in as many immigrants and refugees as financially possible".

Denmark becoming an Islamic country isn't a problem to you, and I would guess that's because you'd like to see Denmark become an Islamic country.

[The South Falls]

Yes they are.

Unless the UN suddenly grew a pair and got WMD's to enforce things no there isn't.

Yea, the UN isn't gonna nuke nations so more people can move there.


Now let me circle back. What's the problem with legal immigration? Having the money or support to immigrate implies one can support him/herself, which means one pays taxes, and the nation is bettered.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Prove it.

We already discussed the historical examples. This is just what human populations do.

So you can't prove it. Ok.

Denmark becoming an Islamic country isn't a problem to you, and I would guess that's because you'd like to see Denmark become an Islamic country.

Well when you put it that way you're right. Then again, I'd like the whole world to become Islamic.

[Jolthig]

Shaking hands or not has nothing to do with growing up.

Adhering to literally ancient rules because your invisible friend told you to and refusing to acknowledge the modern world the rest of us live in is absolutely a childish notion.

It's not just about "ancient rules". Its about guarding oneself as Islam repeatedly emphasises on.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Unless the UN suddenly grew a pair and got WMD's to enforce things no there isn't.

Yea, the UN isn't gonna nuke nations so more people can move there.


Now let me circle back. What's the problem with legal immigration? Having the money or support to immigrate implies one can support him/herself, which means one pays taxes, and the nation is bettered.

Because some people just don't need to be accepted. People who hold beliefs like Kubumba for example are just not compatible with the western world and we shouldn't try to coddle them out of some stupid belief that tolerance is a virtue.