Denmark Passes Law Requiring New Citizens Shake Hands

[Jolthig]

We do have free will. The whole family has away in who we should marry, but the final decision lays on the people getting married.

But surely there’s a lot of family pressure to accept their match?
I just think the best way to choose is by yourself.

There is that in Islam.

Arranged marriage isn't like the traditional view of it where a girl is forced to marry a guy for his money. It doesn't work that way in islam.

[Izaakia]

But surely there’s a lot of family pressure to accept their match?
I just think the best way to choose is by yourself.

There is that in Islam.

Arranged marriage isn't like the traditional view of it where a girl is forced to marry a guy for his money. It doesn't work that way in islam.

There do seem to be a lot of arranged cousin weddings to consolidate wealth, especially in the Pakistani community, and that’s not going too well, producing inbred disabled children.

[Jolthig]

There is that in Islam.

Arranged marriage isn't like the traditional view of it where a girl is forced to marry a guy for his money. It doesn't work that way in islam.

There do seem to be a lot of arranged cousin weddings to consolidate wealth, especially in the Pakistani community, and that’s not going too well, producing inbred disabled children.

Yeah, I heard about that. Not good.

[Izaakia]

There do seem to be a lot of arranged cousin weddings to consolidate wealth, especially in the Pakistani community, and that’s not going too well, producing inbred disabled children.

Yeah, I heard about that. Not good.

Yeah, I think that’s one tradition we can all agree should be banned.

[The Huskar Social Union]

There are Christians in America who want to bring back the death penalty for Sodomy.

Homosexuality (homoperversion) is a mental disease.

555 come on now

[Reploid Productions]

Homosexuality (homoperversion) is a mental disease.

Given your history and failure to learn...
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[Tullemark]

Homosexuality (homoperversion) is a mental disease.

Given your history and failure to learn...
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[Katganistan]

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Come on. Permaban me.

It's not that hard to silence people of different opinions if you are in control.

The whole media is rigged. These forums are rigged. The internet is rigged. Don't you understand that there is no such thing as "democracy" or "freedom" under the yoke of those who control this world?

Freedom is an illusion. Maybe you are cooperating with these powers, maybe they pay you for censoring this forum.

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[Medwedia Nr 2]

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Is there no way to IP ban me or disable account creation? This is a security weakness that will give you lots of work in the next days. One account per post. I am very patient.

[The Grims]

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Come on. Permaban me.

It's not that hard to silence people of different opinions if you are in control.

The whole media is rigged. These forums are rigged. The internet is rigged. Don't you understand that there is no such thing as "democracy" or "freedom" under the yoke of those who control this world?

Freedom is an illusion. Maybe you are cooperating with these powers, maybe they pay you for censoring this forum.

Or maybe this is a privately owned forum where there is only a limited amount of free speech, as per the rules you agreed to.

[Estanglia]

This insistence some people have on forcing the anglo-centric view of what constitutes civilisation is getting pretty old.

As if the euro-centric view of civiliziation is not wrong. Because it is the correct view. The civilization that conquered the world. The most advanced civilization too. Why should'nt the european civilization be considered THE waypoint for civilization.

Because there is no broad 'European civilisation'.

Ugh, the very phrase 'the european civilization' makes the history buff in me vomit.
There's no such thing and has never been as 'the european civilization'.

So the Enlightenment was, in addition to a European phenomenon, something African, or Polynesian? From my history 101 classes (which I followed with rather lacklustre interest) I do remember that the Enlightenment was a predominantly European event. As in, wholly European in terms of beginning at least.

It was. But there is no unified 'European civilisation'.

Let’s all agree not shaking hands is unreasonable and banning people from becoming citizens because they refuse to shake hands in unreasonable.

Actually, as I have explained in several posts, there are reasons for the no handshaking in islam.

I'm only against denmarks ruling because it's intended to stamp out some practices of islam

That's my main problem with this law, that they want to stamp out certain, rather minor practices.
If they want to protect their culture, a better idea would be asking the candidate on their opinion of certain parts of Danish culture and make the decision on that.

Also, personally, I find both sides stupid.

[Imperializt Russia]

This insistence some people have on forcing the anglo-centric view of what constitutes civilisation is getting pretty old.

Who is doing that ? I am certain that people who believe muslims should shake hands in Denmark if Danes consider that polite would also insist that a Dane in Saudi Arabia will not have a beer and pork BBQ during Ramadan/ insist that women remove their burkhas "because polite people show their faces when talking".

Local customs. Respect them

Can we not talk for a minute about how absurdly racist it is to say that the musselmen are uncivilised savages because they might not wanna shake hands with people because, well, that was what they were raised to believe?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

That's my main problem with this law, that they want to stamp out certain, rather minor practices.
If they want to protect their culture, a better idea would be asking the candidate on their opinion of certain parts of Danish culture and make the decision on that.

Problem with analyzing a survey is that'd take too long. So it's a disgustingly oversimplified yes/no or pass/fail checkbox with the option to opt-out.

Making it less of a wall and more of an extremely annoying speedbump on the autobahn.

[Bienenhalde]

There are Christians in America who want to bring back the death penalty for Sodomy.

Homosexuality (homoperversion) is a mental disease.

Most psychiatrists insist it is not a mental disease. But even if it were, it would be a gross violation of human rights to execute someone for a relatively harmless action committed as a result of a mental disorder that they had no control over.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Homosexuality (homoperversion) is a mental disease.

Most psychiatrists insist it is not a mental disease. But even if it were, it would be a gross violation of human rights to execute someone for a relatively harmless action committed as a result of a mental disorder that they had no control over.

This.

Even in the event that it was a mental illness (which it very much isn't), does that somehow justify the atrocities committed against them for acts that are not only harmless, but CONSENSUAL (I am talking about two adults of the same sex here).

By that logic, he'd endorse the execution of the depressed, schizophrenic, autistic and everything else.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Homosexuality (homoperversion) is a mental disease.

Most psychiatrists insist it is not a mental disease. But even if it were, it would be a gross violation of human rights to execute someone for a relatively harmless action committed as a result of a mental disorder that they had no control over.

True.

[The Alma Mater]

Who is doing that ? I am certain that people who believe muslims should shake hands in Denmark if Danes consider that polite would also insist that a Dane in Saudi Arabia will not have a beer and pork BBQ during Ramadan/ insist that women remove their burkhas "because polite people show their faces when talking".

Local customs. Respect them

Can we not talk for a minute about how absurdly racist it is to say that the musselmen are uncivilised savages because they might not wanna shake hands with people because, well, that was what they were raised to believe?

Shall we instead talk about how absurdly arrogant it is to decide to move to another country and expect the locals to study your culture, beliefs etc and adjust themselves to you - and only as an afterthought add that maybe you should also study them, but certainly should not adapt ?

Unless said country has requested you come ofc. Then it is reasonable.

[Jolthig]

Can we not talk for a minute about how absurdly racist it is to say that the musselmen are uncivilised savages because they might not wanna shake hands with people because, well, that was what they were raised to believe?

Shall we instead talk about how absurdly arrogant it is to decide to move to another country and expect the locals to study your culture, beliefs etc and adjust themselves to you - and only as an afterthought add that maybe you should also study them, but certainly should not adapt ?

Unless said country has requested you come ofc. Then it is reasonable.

The entire world is becoming more globalized though. There's no stopping it. And yes, other countries should study Muslim cultural customs just like how they should do the same for Western custom. There is nothing arrogant about a Muslim moving to a western nation if they're trying to get away from violence.

If you want them to stop and since you heavily dislike the customs of Islam, then we should stop bombing Middle Eastern countries. Especially civilian cities. Can we see eye to eye on this issue that is addressed in this last paragraph?

[Hrythingland]

I am not cynical enough to believe it is an intentional process, although The Fabian Society has made some inferences to such a thing. 1
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I really hope you don't expect me to give any weight to some random person's rant about Fabianism.

There has been a deliberate effort by some portions of the establishment to water down the British population for various reasons. The town where I was born, Slough has changed dramatically since I was born there. The closest census to that is 2001 where the white British population was 69,441 or 58.32% -still a concerning number then but ho hum. In 2011 that had fallen to 48,401 or 34.52%. White Britons in Slough and indeed in many other parts of the country are a minority in their own land.

Only if you think that Britain is divided between white Britons and everyone else. Without checking I'll guess that "white Briton" is still the single largest group in Slough. It's probably not 35% white Briton and 65% black Swazi or something like that. In fact, I bet that Slough is mostly white overall, but the white people there don't all identify as white Britons. There's probably plenty of Irish people and other white Europeans.

There is a replacement. They have many more children than Britons do, they move into areas already inhabited by migrants causing many people to leave to avoid being in an ethnic enclave and they perpetuate their culture.

That's not replacement, though. There is no person or group of people taking white Britons away and putting in foreigners instead. It's just people moving around and living and dying and having children. Your family didn't replace anyone when they moved to Slough, did they?

And really, pointing to birth rates and extrapolating them out decades into the future is the epitome of silliness. Birth rates don't stay static, and over the generations will even out. The circumstances in Britain that influence whether you have children and how many children you have, the state of the economy, the costs of childcare, of education, etc, will apply equally to someone else of your cohort whose grandparents moved to Britain from Pakistan.

Whilst I do not think there are 'no go zones' there is plenty of evidence and accounts of muslim dominated communities where there are shariah patrols who scold local people for unislamic things regardless of them being Islamic or not.

Muslim isn't an ethnicity or a culture. If you're going to complain about minority religions In Britain now, well, need I remind you of your own faith?

White Briton is not the largest group in Slough, Asian or Asian 'British' is, at 39.73%. And yes I do divide between white Britons and everyone else. Europeans can be and indeed are problematic migrants too. In some cases more so.

It is replacement, as I said, not some sort of high level 'plan' as such but certainly a passive and partially intentional/neglectful cultural dilution. Islam sort of is a culture just as catholicism has a culture to it. The difference between Islam and Catholicism is one has existed here since Britain was a 'thing' as we know it today and indeed much older than that. Catholicism has contributed much to the foundations of this nation and its culture, politics and so on, not only that but the CofE at least in its High form is almost catholic and changed very little.

[SLAVROS]

If the Danish government decides that Muslims have to follow laws & need to integrate in Danish society & they refuse to they should be sent back to wherever they came from for not abiding by the country's laws.

[Gospel Power]

If the Danish government decides that Muslims have to follow laws & need to integrate in Danish society & they refuse to they should be sent back to wherever they came from for not abiding by the country's laws.

Agree.

[The Alma Mater]

There is nothing arrogant about a Muslim moving to a western nation if they're trying to get away from violence.

True. Happily, that is not what I said.
The arrogance is in assuming people will adjust to YOU, nay - even DEMAND that people do that.

If you want them to stop and since you heavily dislike the customs of Islam, then we should stop bombing Middle Eastern countries. Especially civilian cities. Can we see eye to eye on this issue that is addressed in this last paragraph?

Certainly. If you promise muslims would not come begging the west to please start bombing again.
You do know that that all happens by muslims request, right ?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

There is nothing arrogant about a Muslim moving to a western nation if they're trying to get away from violence.

True. Happily, that is not what I said.
The arrogance is in assuming people will adjust to YOU.

If you want them to stop and since you heavily dislike the customs of Islam, then we should stop bombing Middle Eastern countries. Especially civilian cities. Can we see eye to eye on this issue that is addressed in this last paragraph?

Certainly. If you promise muslims would not come begging the west to please start bombing again.
You do know that that all happens by muslims request, right ?

Actually it's not. The leaders say that they want America's help (which has been the case in Iraq and Syria) but it spirals out of control.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

By that logic, he'd endorse the execution of the depressed, schizophrenic, autistic and everything else.

There are people who have successfully advocated that in several large European countries, including France, Spain, and Germany.

Not anymore, at least to the best of my knowledge. But that was the state of Europe in the mid 20th century.

[Vassenor]

If the Danish government decides that Muslims have to follow laws & need to integrate in Danish society & they refuse to they should be sent back to wherever they came from for not abiding by the country's laws.

So what is the net impact to society of one person not shaking a hand?

And how does not shaking said hand constitute not integrating?