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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:49 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:>"They do it enough"
Prove it.

The Danish have already done that though.

So you can't prove it?
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:50 pm

Page wrote:This thread be like:

"You have to shake hands to become a Danish citizen."

"Why should this be a requirement?"

"Because it's the law."

"Why does this law exist?"

"Because Denmark has the right to make this law."

"But why did they make the law in the first place?"

"So people have to do the hand shake."

"What purpose does that serve?"

"You have to shake hands to become a Danish citizen."

Pretty much. Not too much to ask that you shake hands for a few seconds.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:50 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Page wrote:This thread be like:

"You have to shake hands to become a Danish citizen."

"Why should this be a requirement?"

"Because it's the law."

"Why does this law exist?"

"Because Denmark has the right to make this law."

"But why did they make the law in the first place?"

"So people have to do the hand shake."

"What purpose does that serve?"

"You have to shake hands to become a Danish citizen."

Pretty much. Not too much to ask that you shake hands for a few seconds.

>Tfw sinning isn't too much to ask
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Postby Novus America » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:50 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Why?

To joke about how hyperbolic some of the complaints have been, like the op doing a Nazi comparison and the person who compared it to 1984.


Thank you.
I did not think it was really that complicated that it had to be explained.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:50 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ors Might wrote:The Danish have already done that though.

So you can't prove it?

You want me to prove that the Danish value the custom of shaking hands enough to make it part of the naturalization process?

Bub, that’s the topic of the thread.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:51 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Pretty much. Not too much to ask that you shake hands for a few seconds.

>Tfw sinning isn't too much to ask

Yeah.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:51 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:So you can't prove it?

You want me to prove that the Danish value the custom of shaking hands enough to make it part of the naturalization process?

Bub, that’s the topic of the thread.

You said that Danes shake hands enough to make this stupid law. I want you to prove that Danes shake hands that often.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:52 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ors Might wrote:You want me to prove that the Danish value the custom of shaking hands enough to make it part of the naturalization process?

Bub, that’s the topic of the thread.

You said that Danes shake hands enough to make this stupid law. I want you to prove that.

They shake hands enough for it to be a custom. Do you dispute that or something?
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Postby Page » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:53 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Page wrote:This thread be like:

"You have to shake hands to become a Danish citizen."

"Why should this be a requirement?"

"Because it's the law."

"Why does this law exist?"

"Because Denmark has the right to make this law."

"But why did they make the law in the first place?"

"So people have to do the hand shake."

"What purpose does that serve?"

"You have to shake hands to become a Danish citizen."

Pretty much. Not too much to ask that you shake hands for a few seconds.


It's not too much to not ask it either.

I've already said in this thread, I think it's ridiculous that some people are so controlled by religion that they can't even shake hands. They're controlled by arbitrary dogma. So what does Denmark do? They make an arbitrarily dogmatic law.

The best way to promote western secularism is to show people that they get to make their own decisions.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:53 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Novus America wrote:
I did.
Others called it Nazi but that is so unoriginally cliche.

Why? Didn't you say that exaggerating was bad?


Not always. It depends, like most things on the context and intent.
I was obviously not being serious with that terminology.

Hyperbole is okay if it is not meant seriously.
Also are you aware of the concept of satire?

If I actually was serious it would obviously be wrong.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:53 pm

Page wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Pretty much. Not too much to ask that you shake hands for a few seconds.


It's not too much to not ask it either.

I've already said in this thread, I think it's ridiculous that some people are so controlled by religion that they can't even shake hands. They're controlled by arbitrary dogma. So what does Denmark do? They make an arbitrarily dogmatic law.

Divine law isn't arbitrary.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:54 pm

Page wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Pretty much. Not too much to ask that you shake hands for a few seconds.


It's not too much to not ask it either.

I've already said in this thread, I think it's ridiculous that some people are so controlled by religion that they can't even shake hands. They're controlled by arbitrary dogma. So what does Denmark do? They make an arbitrarily dogmatic law.

The law is less sexist than their religious belief, though. So fuck em.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:55 pm

While multiple cultures should be tolerated in a county, a form of assimilation has to commence. If that does not happen by any degree, then such a person does not belong in that country.

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Postby Page » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:56 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Page wrote:
It's not too much to not ask it either.

I've already said in this thread, I think it's ridiculous that some people are so controlled by religion that they can't even shake hands. They're controlled by arbitrary dogma. So what does Denmark do? They make an arbitrarily dogmatic law.

Divine law isn't arbitrary.


Even if a god existed, being God does not make the rules any less arbitrary. "Because I said so" is the very definition of arbitrary whether it comes from a person or a god. Laws should have purpose.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:57 pm

Ors Might wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:>Tfw sinning isn't too much to ask

Yeah.

I mean, on the one hand, not shaking hands cause of religious reasons seems stupid.
But on the other hand, making hand shaking a legal requirement for anything really sounds equally stupid.

Edit: too many hands
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:57 pm

Page wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Divine law isn't arbitrary.


Even if a god existed, being God does not make the rules any less arbitrary. "Because I said so" is the very definition of arbitrary whether it comes from a person or a god. Laws should have purpose.

Which is exactly what divine law has: purpose.
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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:While multiple cultures should be tolerated in a county, a form of assimilation has to commence. If that does not happen by any degree, then such a person does not belong in that country.


Then they should promote assimilation by letting people make their own choices.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:58 pm

Page wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Divine law isn't arbitrary.


Even if a god existed, being God does not make the rules any less arbitrary. "Because I said so" is the very definition of arbitrary whether it comes from a person or a god. Laws should have purpose.

To be fair, this particular religious law does have a purpose.

Allah apparently believes his people are incapable of controlling themselves around the opposite sex enough to shake hands.
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Page wrote:
Even if a god existed, being God does not make the rules any less arbitrary. "Because I said so" is the very definition of arbitrary whether it comes from a person or a god. Laws should have purpose.

Which is exactly what divine law has: purpose.


And what does this particular law accomplish? And don't say "it prevents people from sinning" because it's only sinning in the first place because God says it is.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:58 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Page wrote:
It's not too much to not ask it either.

I've already said in this thread, I think it's ridiculous that some people are so controlled by religion that they can't even shake hands. They're controlled by arbitrary dogma. So what does Denmark do? They make an arbitrarily dogmatic law.

Divine law isn't arbitrary.


Well it certainly could be if the god who ordered it was abitrary and capricious.
But again we do not really care what you think divine law (assuming it exists) says.
Your theology is not the topic.
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
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Even if a god existed, being God does not make the rules any less arbitrary. "Because I said so" is the very definition of arbitrary whether it comes from a person or a god. Laws should have purpose.

Which is exactly what divine law has: purpose.

And human laws too. Your point?
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:59 pm

Alvecia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah.

I mean, on the one hand, not shaking hands cause of religious reasons seems stupid.
But on the other hand, making hand shaking a legal requirement for anything really sounds equally stupid.

Edit: too many hands

Perhaps Denmark could allow fist bumping as a substitute.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:00 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Pretty much. Not too much to ask that you shake hands for a few seconds.

>Tfw sinning isn't too much to ask


Laws require sin for a lot of people. -shrug-
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Page wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:While multiple cultures should be tolerated in a county, a form of assimilation has to commence. If that does not happen by any degree, then such a person does not belong in that country.


Then they should promote assimilation by letting people make their own choices.

If an immigrant isn't able to abide by such a simple Danish custom, it is safe to say that such an immigrant will not assimilate. This law is meant to stop people who will not assimilate from obtaining citizenship.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:00 pm

Alvecia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah.

I mean, on the one hand, not shaking hands cause of religious reasons seems stupid.
But on the other hand, making hand shaking a legal requirement for anything really sounds equally stupid.

Edit: too many hands

This whole fucking thing is stupid
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