Denmark Passes Law Requiring New Citizens Shake Hands

[Jolthig]

What's a lie? That most people don't have a hand fetish?

Help himself from what?

I'm a dude myself, I can shake his hand.
If I wasn't, no, I wouldn't do that. If I thought that shaking hands with the opposite sex were haram, I'd politely decline and just put my hand on my heart and bow a little. That is, if I had the courage to do that and explain msyelf.

But that's impossible. Everyone knows that shaking hands is the only, only way for humans to show respect for each other.

Consensus gentium is not a good argument.

You are implying only western culture. But there are multiple different cultures and faiths that have various stances of hand shaking.

[The Lone Alliance]

I got to love this double standard of "The West should be tolerant of Islam but it's bigoted to expect Islam to tolerate western values."

Said no one in this thread.

It's a Western Value to shake hands, acting like it's oppression shows that you aren't respecting said value.

Really that's a simple thing, if you can't handle western values, stay out of the fucking West.

[Vassenor]

But that's impossible. Everyone knows that shaking hands is the only, only way for humans to show respect for each other.

Consensus gentium is not a good argument.

You are implying only western culture. But there are multiple different cultures and faiths that have various stances of hand shaking.

I'm being sarcastic and directly parodying the defences people have used for this law.

[Byzconia]

Ah, the West--we love freedom so much we'll force you to shake hands with other people. This may seem relatively minor in comparison to other Islamophobic laws, but frankly it's so ridiculous and draconian that it's like something straight out of Nineteen Eighty-Four--"We command you to show your love for Big Brother by shaking the hands of other citizens, failure to do so will result in immediate vaporization."

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I don't think it cares about this thread either. Why you're coming after my choice of words, idk.

Because is supports Arab cultural imperialism in Islam

Pls go to the Islamic Discussion Thread. My reply will be there.

[Jolthig]

I got to love this double standard of "The West should be tolerant of Islam but it's bigoted to expect Islam to tolerate western values."

I did make it clear in an earlier post that Muslims being intolerant of western values is also bad.

Consensus gentium is not a good argument.

You are implying only western culture. But there are multiple different cultures and faiths that have various stances of hand shaking.

I'm being sarcastic and directly parodying the defences people have used for this law.

I see.

[Jolthig]

As I predicted this thread would become controversial. There is no profit for me anymore from this thread. I said my opinions but now I see useless arguments. So with that, peace, my NSGers.

[Estanglia]

I'm just saying, if you're not willing to go as far as to shake someone's hand for citizenship, then you probably didn't want it that bad to begin with. Especially when, as far as I'm aware - it's not against Islamic practice to shake someone's hand if you're wearing a cover. Which, to me makes sense - even from a western non-Muslim perspective, it's more hygienic than making direct contact and it's not a violation of anyone's customs.

While I pretty much agree with you, for the sake of accuracy I feel I must point out that this law does not allow your hands to be covered when you shake.

That's really dumb, and probably the only issue I have with this law.

If one believes themselves to be so weak that a mere handshake can tempt them, then perhaps there’s a good reason to not want them in your country?

So we shouldn't allow people with disabilities or mental illnesses into our countries? Denmark should just respect Muslims' beliefs.

Why should Denmark be forced to respect intolerant beliefs?

Glad I don't live in Europe. They seem to have lost their minds.

Because a handshake is apparently too much for some people to handle.
Seriously, it's one handshake. That's not 'losing their mind'. It's a reasonable demand to make, considering how frequently we shake hands.

Seems an entirely reasonable policy to me. If they’re fundamentalistic enough that they consider refusing to shake a women’s hand reason enough to turn down citizenship, they’d have made terrible citizens anyway.

Remember, haphephobia makes you a bad citizen.

Sweet strawman Vass, where'd you get it?

Good on them. Denmark, however, doesn’t want people that are incapable of controlling themselves.

Who said that they are incapable of controlling themselves? In fact, not shaking hands with the opposite sex seems to me like great self control.

Really? It's an example of poor self-control that you have to go that far to not get aroused.

If I were to emigrate to or visit another country, I would not baulk at requirements or expectations involving adopting local customary practices. It a sign of respect for the host country and the cultural norms there in. Part of being a citizen of a country and society you are emigrating to is to adopt some of the norms that exist there. It isn't about placing higher value on those norms over others, it is that you must be willing to respect the norms of where you travel to on the most basic level.

I'm not gonna do that if I don't want to or if it violates my Deen.

you don't have to. Nor does Denmark have to accept you for refusing to do so.

If someone believes that if they shake the hand of the opposite sex, they run the risk of feeling uncontrollable temptation, that tells you a lot about them.

...Not really?

Yes really. It tells you that they have such low self-control that a handshake can lead to temptation.

Besides, Mike Pence said he couldn't be in the same room as a woman without feeling uncontrollable temptation. When is his citizenship getting yanked?

I didn't realise Pence was applying for Danish citizenship.

Really? It doesn’t tell you that the person in question has toxic views of sex and the opposite gender?

Nope.

How does it not?

What's a lie? That most people don't have a hand fetish?

Help himself from what?

I'm a dude myself, I can shake his hand.
If I wasn't, no, I wouldn't do that. If I thought that shaking hands with the opposite sex were haram, I'd politely decline and just put my hand on my heart and bow a little. That is, if I had the courage to do that and explain msyelf.

But that's impossible. Everyone knows that shaking hands is the only, only way for humans to show respect for each other.

Oh, those poor oppressed Muslims! Being forced to do a *gasp* handshake! Oh, the horror! How could Denmark make them connect hands with another human!

lol. The overreactions are killing me.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Said no one in this thread.

It's a Western Value to shake hands, acting like it's oppression shows that you aren't respecting said value.

Ok, but where have people said the part that I underlined?

Really that's a simple thing, if you can't handle western values, stay out of the West.

>Tfw not shaking hands, which even some Westerners do, means not handling western values

I got to love this double standard of "The West should be tolerant of Islam but it's bigoted to expect Islam to tolerate western values."

I did make it clear in an earlier post that Muslims being intolerant of western values is also bad.

Depends on the values.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Consensus gentium is not a good argument.

You are implying only western culture. But there are multiple different cultures and faiths that have various stances of hand shaking.

I'm being sarcastic and directly parodying the defences people have used for this law.

Then having the nerve to go after people who dare to parody your arguments and hypocrisy.

[Washington Resistance Army]

>Tfw not shaking hands, which even some Westerners do, means not handling western values

Combined with the other usual beliefs people like you have it's pretty fair to say they're not compatible with western values or civilization as a whole.

[Estanglia]

Consensus gentium is not a good argument.

You are implying only western culture. But there are multiple different cultures and faiths that have various stances of hand shaking.

I'm being sarcastic and directly parodying the defences people have used for this law.

Because we've totally claimed that a handshake is the only possible way to show respect. /s

Ah, the West--we love freedom so much we'll force you to shake hands with other people. This may seem relatively minor in comparison to other Islamophobic laws, but frankly it's so ridiculous and draconian that it's like something straight out of Nineteen Eighty-Four--"We command you to show your love for Big Brother by shaking the hands of other citizens, failure to do so will result in immediate vaporization."

This overreaction killed me. Dude, it's one fucking handshake. Not 1984.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>Tfw not shaking hands, which even some Westerners do, means not handling western values

Combined with the other usual beliefs people like you have it's pretty fair to say they're not compatible with western values or civilization as a whole.

>Implying only Western civilization is a civilization

[Washington Resistance Army]

Combined with the other usual beliefs people like you have it's pretty fair to say they're not compatible with western values or civilization as a whole.

>Implying only Western civilization is a civilization

It's the only worthwhile civilization out there.

[Gawdzendia]

Good on Denmark, even better knowing that right out of the gate they got the Nazi treatment right here on NSG. To me, if anything, further cements the decision as being a correct one.

It's the only worthwhile civilization out there.

Hear, hear.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

People, it's more than just a handshake fro some Muslims. It's a matter of disobeying the laws of Allah SWT.

[Vassenor]

Good on Denmark, even better knowing that right out of the gate they got the Nazi treatment right here on NSG. To me, if anything, further cements the decision as being a correct one.

So where are the Nazi comparisons?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Good on Denmark, even better knowing that right out of the gate they got the Nazi treatment right here on NSG. To me, if anything, further cements the decision as being a correct one.

So where are the Nazi comparisons?

And how is being fompared to Nazis a good thing?

[Vassenor]

I'm being sarcastic and directly parodying the defences people have used for this law.

Because we've totally claimed that a handshake is the only possible way to show respect. /s

Ah, the West--we love freedom so much we'll force you to shake hands with other people. This may seem relatively minor in comparison to other Islamophobic laws, but frankly it's so ridiculous and draconian that it's like something straight out of Nineteen Eighty-Four--"We command you to show your love for Big Brother by shaking the hands of other citizens, failure to do so will result in immediate vaporization."

This overreaction killed me. Dude, it's one fucking handshake. Not 1984.

So why can't people show respect in other ways?

[Teachian]

Good on Denmark, even better knowing that right out of the gate they got the Nazi treatment right here on NSG. To me, if anything, further cements the decision as being a correct one.

So where are the Nazi comparisons?

It’s a while back, but it’s in the OP

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Because we've totally claimed that a handshake is the only possible way to show respect. /s



This overreaction killed me. Dude, it's one fucking handshake. Not 1984.

So why can't people show respect in other ways?

It's not western enough apparently, even though they happen just as much in the west.

[Gawdzendia]

Good on Denmark, even better knowing that right out of the gate they got the Nazi treatment right here on NSG. To me, if anything, further cements the decision as being a correct one.

So where are the Nazi comparisons?

My literal first reaction to this when I read the above was, "What do you do when the same host who went out of its way to assert your right to live goes full Nazi, Anne? Undone yet, Anne? Undone yet?"

But I get it, I do: people need some scapegoat, the better to kick and damn, and even Danes aren't immune to feeling like kicking the living shit out of the nearest person they could find, be it man, woman, or child. It feels good to vent, to wear that jackboot and feel leather spiking a human face, any human face. That's what's been happening the world over, and the time ain't far when all that symbolism will become the sort of reality that I would rather not see for myself.

But even I must blanch at this latest attempt by Danish lawmakers to make Muslims feel unwelcome as fuck. I mean, here you are, random Muslim who really really loves his host country, so he spends a decade living there, knowing everything Dane in order to become a Dane, and then some dipshit mayor or aide (and there will be one who'll be dickriding this) who says to him, in essence, "You're Dane, yet you're not Dane. Fuck off."

Chalk this one down in the annals of stupidly silly yet "Nein, Fremdkorper!" anti-naturalized bullshit, alongside such marvels as requiring newly converted Catholic converts to eat pork in post-Reconquista Spain, and Americans looking high and low for faked citizenship applications.

But I've lingered here for far too long. Discuss.

Highlighted for the selectively literate.

[Estanglia]

Good on Denmark, even better knowing that right out of the gate they got the Nazi treatment right here on NSG. To me, if anything, further cements the decision as being a correct one.

It's the only worthwhile civilization out there.

Hear, hear.

What do you mean by "the Nazi treatment"?

People, it's more than just a handshake fro some Muslims. It's a matter of disobeying the laws of Allah SWT.

And they don't have to. Just as Denmark doesn't have to accept them if they refuse to do something so basic.

[Reikoku]

Good on Denmark, even better knowing that right out of the gate they got the Nazi treatment right here on NSG. To me, if anything, further cements the decision as being a correct one.

So where are the Nazi comparisons?

Right in the OP.

[Washington Resistance Army]

>Implying only Western civilization is a civilization

It's the only worthwhile civilization out there.

Actually I'll amend this, East Asia is also pretty cool though I guess it's been pretty westernized.