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University of Columbia Student, Author of Time and the Multiverse: Selected Writings on Novel Physical Theories, and white male Julian von Abele has come under fire recently for giving this (HATE-SPEECH WARNING: CLICK ON LINK AT YOUR OWN RISK) drunken rant next to a group of ethnic minority students. As a result, Julian von Abele has taken the unwanted role of both Public Enemy #1 and White Pride World-Wide Prophet.

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Julian von Abele, intoxicated, says the right thing at the wrong time, circa 2018 (colourized).

At the exact moment pictured above, von Abele says, and I quote, "Look, I don't hate other people, I just love myuh- er- white men! I just love white men!"

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Tim Wise gives a very powerful and thought-provoking tweet on the issue at hand, circa 2018 (colourized).

How he got there and context: von Abele says that he was on his way home from a night-out with friends, when he got into an argument with two other students about Trump, and how Trump supports endorse sexual assault. As von Abele presumably got louder, and his intoxication kicked in further, the crowd grew, and the argument devolved. I know, as clear as mud.

von Abele is a Trump supporter, and has voted for Trump.

Anyways, OP won't drone on much more about his own take on the issue, because OP obviously holds a lot of bias, but, I will say that von Abele's drunken speech could be taken one of two ways,

1. He really likes the white race and western civilization.
or
2. He's coming out of the closet.

Godspeed Julian, keep making Quantum Physics videos.

Edit:

Secret State Police wrote:oh the discussion was supposed to be about the consequences of the drunken drunk thing, like that fantastic tweet above, and whether a genuine author and quantum physician should be expelled for a drunk pseudo-white pride rant lasting less then a minute. But nobody knew that because OP did such an amazing job, smh.

TL;DR: Some drunk quantum physician, author, and University of Columbia student gave a drunk rant about white pride, which exploded on Twitter.

I'd like to make a few notes:
1. I may have used the word "speech" a few times, although it should be noted that this is less of a speech and more of a drunken rant.
2. It might be Columbia University instead of University of Columbia but I really dont care enough to change it so yeah

I wonder if this guy can still walk on the street without getting punched.
His background as an author and quantum physician only makes this even more ridiculous and laugh worthy.

Great Winminster wrote:I wonder if this guy can still walk on the street without getting punched.

He probably had to skip a lot of classes after the incident, and I can't imagine what Christmas at his dorm would be like. As far as I know, besides the fingers being put in his face during the incident, nothing physical has happened during or afterwards.

Is it Tatim?
Let's see if I can recall...

Tahim... Goddamnit, it's some Indian fellow anyway, who put up like, millions of his own money to say "I say, this western scientific method is frightfully clever, have you thought about using it to understand shit like poverty? Here's a bunch of money to study it." and we said, "That's a great idea! Why didn't we think of that" or just broke down into hysterical rants about various outgroups depending on which end of the political spectrum we belonged to. Shortly after, the LSE was founded and stuff like the Beveridge report came out, leading to the NHS and so on. It's in one of my sociology books. (sociology of modern britain, or something.).

That's just one example. Western civilization is definately superior, the world owes us a lot, and it's mostly white. But extremely major contributions have been made by other races to our success as a civilization and our model. Yes, westernized individuals, but other races nonetheless.

The lack of education on these kind of individuals should not be held against people who conclude that whites are simply the best after justifiably noting western civilization is the best, and then based on lack of discourse on non-white contributions, conclude whites are too. It is ignorance, not malice, that fuels these outbursts, and treating them as malicious will not fix them, and does nothing to address the underlying points being made by either side.

It's fine to like white people and be proud of their history. But that history doesn't occur in isolation, and is only meaningful through its connection to other peoples.

Ostroeuropa wrote:Is it Tatim?
Let's see if I can recall...

Tahim... Goddamnit, it's some Indian fellow anyway, who put up like, millions of his own money to say "I say, this western scientific method is frightfully clever, have you thought about using it to understand shit like poverty? Here's a bunch of money to study it." and we said, "That's a great idea! Why didn't we think of that" or just broke down into hysterical rants about various outgroups depending on which end of the political spectrum we belonged to. Shortly after, the LSE was founded and stuff like the Beveridge report came out, leading to the NHS and so on. It's in one of my sociology books. (sociology of modern britain, or something.).

That's just one example. Western civilization is definately superior, the world owes us a lot, and it's mostly white. But extremely major contributions have been made by other races to our success as a civilization and our model. Yes, westernized individuals, but other races nonetheless.

The lack of education on these kind of individuals should not be held against people who conclude that whites are simply the best after justifiably noting western civilization is the best, and then based on lack of discourse on non-white contributions, conclude whites are too. It is ignorance, not malice, that fuels these outbursts, and treating them as malicious will not fix them, and does nothing to address the underlying points being made by either side.

I'm not sure I'm following you. Is JvA the uneducated one here for not acknowledging major contributions have been made by other races to our success as a civilization?

The Black Party wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:Is it Tatim?
Let's see if I can recall...

Tahim... Goddamnit, it's some Indian fellow anyway, who put up like, millions of his own money to say "I say, this western scientific method is frightfully clever, have you thought about using it to understand shit like poverty? Here's a bunch of money to study it." and we said, "That's a great idea! Why didn't we think of that" or just broke down into hysterical rants about various outgroups depending on which end of the political spectrum we belonged to. Shortly after, the LSE was founded and stuff like the Beveridge report came out, leading to the NHS and so on. It's in one of my sociology books. (sociology of modern britain, or something.).

That's just one example. Western civilization is definately superior, the world owes us a lot, and it's mostly white. But extremely major contributions have been made by other races to our success as a civilization and our model. Yes, westernized individuals, but other races nonetheless.

The lack of education on these kind of individuals should not be held against people who conclude that whites are simply the best after justifiably noting western civilization is the best, and then based on lack of discourse on non-white contributions, conclude whites are too. It is ignorance, not malice, that fuels these outbursts, and treating them as malicious will not fix them, and does nothing to address the underlying points being made by either side.

I'm not sure I'm following you. Is JvA the uneducated one here for not acknowledging major contributions have been made by other races to our success as a civilization?

Yes, sorry I thought that was clear, the white gentleman the OP discusses is uneducated. People lacking knowledge on that kind of thing shouldn't be used against them really imo. It's the same neoliberal/progressive nonsense about racism being a product of bad people thinking bad things for nefarious reasons so you should treat them badly when they do it, as opposed to recognizing it as a result of instiuttions and their impact. (In this case, shitty education policies.).

The focus on just witchhunting an occasional """racist""" of this kind absolves people from having to support (and pay taxes toward) meaningful change.

The white gentleman is a scapegoat for our societies lack of sincere willingness to tackle the issue. We want to do a pantomime instead and defeat some bad guys.

Ostroeuropa wrote:Yes, sorry I thought that was clear. People lacking knowledge on that kind of thing shouldn't be used against them really imo.

Well of course that is true, but it is also important to take into account the absolute state that this madman is in. He's intoxicated, and not in his right mind, but he did say that he "doesn't hate other races". I'm sure if he was sober, in a professional environment, giving a professional speech, his nature would naturally acknowledge non-white contributions to white societies, which I believe he did in his interview with Alex Jones on Infowars.

Ostroeuropa wrote:Yes, sorry I thought that was clear, the white gentleman the OP discusses is uneducated. People lacking knowledge on that kind of thing shouldn't be used against them really imo. It's the same neoliberal/progressive nonsense about racism being a product of bad people thinking bad things for nefarious reasons so you should treat them badly when they do it, as opposed to recognizing it as a result of instiuttions and their impact. (In this case, shitty education policies.).

The focus on just witchhunting an occasional """racist""" of this kind absolves people from having to support (and pay taxes toward) meaningful change.

The white gentleman is a scapegoat for our societies lack of sincere willingness to tackle the issue. We want to do a pantomime instead and defeat some bad guys.

Very well said.

This dude is so fucking right, North Sentinel Island built the modern world, they saved billions of people from starvation.

North Sentinelese people are the best thing that ever happened to civilization.

And did he say something about white people? White people are the fucking degenerates of society, they introduced plagues, they caused war, genocides and anti-vaxxers and they're stealing all of our resources. That is why North Sentinel Island is the best in the world.

Drunk guy says something that is reasonably accurate gets lambasted because it contains unfashionable opinions.

This is only newsworthy because he’s not supposed to be allowed to say that.

Digital Planets wrote:This dude is so fucking right,

More like this dude is so fucking high, amirite? Get it? Because he's drunk, and the effects of alcohol have some similarity to the effects of marijuana? Amirite?

Digital Planets wrote:North Sentinel Island built the modern world, they saved billions of people from starvation.

North Sentinelese people are the best thing that ever happened to civilization.

And did he say something about white people? White people are the fucking degenerates of society, they introduced plagues, they caused war, genocides and anti-vaxxers and they're stealing all of our resources. That is why North Sentinel Island is the best in the world.

Big facts ^

Just sounds likes your average mildly racist young alt righter had too much to drink
Hardly news worthy

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Just sounds likes your average mildly racist young alt righter had too much to drink
Hardly news worthy

Indeed, but what may be news worthy is the public backlash and his defense of what he said. For example, some people are calling for his expulsion from the University because of this.

In addition, I'd also argue that the average mildly racist young alt righter is nowhere near as intelligent as von Abele.

The Black Party wrote:(Image)

Holy crap, he looks almost exactly like I thought he would lmao

/r/BeholdTheMasterRace

Liriena wrote:

The Black Party wrote:(Image)

Holy crap, he looks almost exactly like I thought he would lmao

/r/BeholdTheMasterRace

I dunno what you're talking about, he looks pretty young and handsome.

Secret State Police wrote:

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Just sounds likes your average mildly racist young alt righter had too much to drink
Hardly news worthy

Indeed, but what may be news worthy is the public backlash and his defense of what he said. For example, some people are calling for his expulsion from the University because of this.

In addition, I'd also argue that the average mildly racist young alt righter is nowhere near as intelligent as von Abele.

Honestly he’s the stereotype to me. Young, white college student who has genuine intelligence but got drawn deeper and deeper into a rabbit hole of reactionary thinking

The Black Party wrote:JvA: "We built the modern world- we built the modern world."

The same modern world that's a couple decades away from cannibalizing itself through an irreversible, anthropogenic environmental catastrophe? GG master race.

Yes, the nations of modern Europe played a major role in leading humanity into what we call modernity. Yes, the most prominent figures in the scientific, cultural, political and economic progress of modernity were overwhelmingly white. Yes, lots of the values and advancements we as a species got from European-led modernity are great.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut I'm gonna be the mother of all buzzkills and point out that y'all didn't do it alone. Y'all couldn't do it alone. Y'all needed resources that you couldn't find in Europe, and labour that you couldn't extract from your arbitrarily designated white brethren, and chances are that a lot of potential advancements that could have been born from elsewhere in the world were forever snuffed out or otherwise undermined by your exploitation. It doesn't make white people in general or Europeans in particular inherently evil, but it should put any notion of collective European pride in a less blindly braggadocious perspective. We can and should celebrate the achievements of the great philosophers of the European Enlightenment, but we shouldn't deify them and gloss over the negative consequences of their ideas, or the obvious blind spots in their ideas. And we definitely shouldn't blindly embrace whiteness or Westerness as self-evident categories, nor as categories with a unified superior heritage. Not just because the historical consequences of that have always led to brutality and often irrational condescension those classified as non-white and non-Western, but also because it glosses over the fact that the people placed within that same category aren't really all equal. The supposedly superior white European heritage is often framed as the heritage of long dead philosophers, great capitalists, visionary political leaders and prestigious artists, which erases the fact that a lot of their accomplishments were made possible by people in their own "race" that they exploited, whose work they looked down upon, whose culture they demeaned.

Secret State Police wrote:

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Just sounds likes your average mildly racist young alt righter had too much to drink
Hardly news worthy

Indeed, but what may be news worthy is the public backlash and his defense of what he said. For example, some people are calling for his expulsion from the University because of this.

In addition, I'd also argue that the average mildly racist young alt righter is nowhere near as intelligent as von Abele.

Lots of white supremacist have college degrees. People can be very intelligent on some issues while being absolute imbeciles on others. See, Ben Carson.

Secret State Police wrote:

Liriena wrote:Holy crap, he looks almost exactly like I thought he would lmao

/r/BeholdTheMasterRace

I dunno what you're talking about, he looks pretty young and handsome.

Young, definitely. Handsome... even by nerdy twink standards...

The Black Party wrote:his interview with Alex Jones on Infowars.

Ooooof, not a good look.

Liriena wrote:Lots of white supremacist have college degrees. People can be very intelligent on some issues while being absolute imbeciles on others. See, Ben Carson.

Yeah but Ben Carson isn't a white supremacist.

Liriena wrote:

The Black Party wrote:his interview with Alex Jones on Infowars.

Ooooof, not a good look.

Yeah I knew that wasn't gonna gloss over well, but give the laddie a chance, it was a good segment, on a not-so-good show.

Liriena wrote:

Secret State Police wrote:I dunno what you're talking about, he looks pretty young and handsome.

Young, definitely. Handsome... even by nerdy twink standards...

Now this is the real debate.

Secret State Police wrote:

Liriena wrote:Lots of white supremacist have college degrees. People can be very intelligent on some issues while being absolute imbeciles on others. See, Ben Carson.

Yeah but Ben Carson isn't a white supremacist.

No but we’ll, pyramids