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What is the political tenent you refer to, at this moment?

Reactionary
17
9%
Conservative
29
16%
Liberal
49
27%
Anarcho-liberal
7
4%
Socialist
33
18%
Communist
22
12%
Fascist
25
14%
Islamist
2
1%
 
Total votes : 184
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Rezmaeristan
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Postby Rezmaeristan » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:41 pm

Fascist with some socialist-oid tendencies(aka National Syndicalist)
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:41 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I chose socialist, though somewhere between that and fascist-lite would be more accurate.


If I am somewhere between conservatism and socialism, does that make me a social conservative?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:42 pm

Rezmaeristan wrote:Fascist with some socialist-oid tendencies(aka National Syndicalism)

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:44 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Rezmaeristan wrote:Fascist with some socialist-oid tendencies(aka National Syndicalism)

Godamnit Kaisereich


Savinkov is way better anyways
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:49 pm

I picked fash just because that probably describes me best nowadays. Without truly massive reform I think our current liberal democracy is doomed to fail and needs to be torn down and replaced by something like a single party system ASAP.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Godamnit Kaisereich


Savinkov is way better anyways


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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:53 pm

>Notices there's actually an "Islamist" option in a poll
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Postby Deltanium » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:57 pm

I am a right-liberal, but not exactly an AnCap
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:59 pm

No populist option?

Fascist seems quite tempting then!
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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:59 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:No populist option?

Fascist seems quite tempting then!


Yes, that is a serious omission in this list
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:05 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:No populist option?

Fascist seems quite tempting then!


Yes, that is a serious omission in this list


Yeah, I cast my vote as Fascist as a sign of protest.
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Rezmaeristan
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Postby Rezmaeristan » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:52 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:
Yes, that is a serious omission in this list


Yeah, I cast my vote as Fascist as a sign of protest.



I actually used to be a right-wing populist until I read up a little on what Fascism really was.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:07 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:What is with all the people who voted Fascist? It looks like Fascism is more popular than conservatism for some reason. Of course, I suppose the same phenomenon in the real world could explain why crypto-fascists like Trump are eclipsing establishment conservatism in popularity. But seriously, what is wrong with people these days?


Most likely because believe it or not, Fascism isn't Nazism (although many self-declared fascists often seem to conveniently forget that).

It does have some decent aspects, but I'd be more content surgically removing them out of fascism to add to my own ideology instead of full-on adopt fascism.

Fascism’s Corporatism turns me off big time
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:13 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Most likely because believe it or not, Fascism isn't Nazism (although many self-declared fascists often seem to conveniently forget that).

It does have some decent aspects, but I'd be more content surgically removing them out of fascism to add to my own ideology instead of full-on adopt fascism.

Fascism’s Corporatism turns me off big time


Which aspects of it?
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Postby Kowani » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:17 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Fascism’s Corporatism turns me off big time


Which aspects of it?

Corporatism in general sucks, so...
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:37 pm

Kowani wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Which aspects of it?

Corporatism in general sucks, so...


There are some who view social democracy as falling within the definition of corporatism.
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Postby Auze » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:40 pm

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:03 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Fascism’s Corporatism turns me off big time


Which aspects of it?

The blatant promotion of Corporations over people. The fact that private corporations are apart of the government. I don’t think social democracy falls under corporatism though.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:10 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I picked fash just because that probably describes me best nowadays. Without truly massive reform I think our current liberal democracy is doomed to fail and needs to be torn down and replaced by something like a single party system ASAP.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Savinkov is way better anyways


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Everyone likes to say that rights should come with responsibilities but I rarely hear actual suggestions for how to implement such.
Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers novel is the closest thing I've heard of while maintaining something resembling meritocracy, democracy, and arguably egalitarianism, yet everyone simply labels it as Fascistic.
Heinlein was very much anti-communist (which took the form of the Arachnids) but he certainly wasn't any typical 'fascist'.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:11 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:>Notices there's actually an "Islamist" option in a poll
>Happily cries< I'd like to say that I'm just >sniffs< honored that I'm being recognized :lol:

I move that 'Islamist' be re-labeled 'theocrat'.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:12 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I picked fash just because that probably describes me best nowadays. Without truly massive reform I think our current liberal democracy is doomed to fail and needs to be torn down and replaced by something like a single party system ASAP.



P R A I S E T H E V O Z H D

Everyone likes to say that rights should come with responsibilities but I rarely hear actual suggestions for how to implement such.
Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers novel is the closest thing I've heard of while maintaining something resembling meritocracy, democracy, and arguably egalitarianism, yet everyone simply labels it as Fascistic.
Heinlein was very much anti-communist (which took the form of the Arachnids) but he certainly wasn't any typical 'fascist'.

I blame the movie adaption for that. It was clearly a piece of satire, trumped up to make it look extremely fascist
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:12 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:>Notices there's actually an "Islamist" option in a poll
>Happily cries< I'd like to say that I'm just >sniffs< honored that I'm being recognized :lol:

I move that 'Islamist' be re-labeled 'theocrat'.

I second this Motion
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I move that 'Islamist' be re-labeled 'theocrat'.

I second this Motion

I third this motion.

Still feels good to be recognized tho :p
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Postby Ethereal Expanse » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:22 pm

I suppose I am liberal given these broad categories. :clap:
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:23 pm

I would say I'm a reactionary in thought, and an anarchist in praxis.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:23 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Everyone likes to say that rights should come with responsibilities but I rarely hear actual suggestions for how to implement such.
Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers novel is the closest thing I've heard of while maintaining something resembling meritocracy, democracy, and arguably egalitarianism, yet everyone simply labels it as Fascistic.
Heinlein was very much anti-communist (which took the form of the Arachnids) but he certainly wasn't any typical 'fascist'.

I blame the movie adaption for that. It was clearly a piece of satire, trumped up to make it look extremely fascist

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