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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:39 pm

Telconi wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:There was already a bill that could have passed both the house and the senate. Trump said no.


Yes, that's how vetos work.

Congress could just as easily give Trump what he wants as Trump give them what they want...

Trump had his chance to get more last January.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:42 pm

Telconi wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:There was already a bill that could have passed both the house and the senate. Trump said no.


Yes, that's how vetos work.

Congress could just as easily give Trump what he wants as Trump give them what they want...


Why should they? The people don't want a wall.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:56 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yes, that's how vetos work.

Congress could just as easily give Trump what he wants as Trump give them what they want...


Why should they? The people don't want a wall.


So all those poor furloughed workers that Democrats allegedly care about cam go back to work?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Why should they? The people don't want a wall.


So all those poor furloughed workers that Democrats allegedly care about cam go back to work?


So the PARTY OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY can blow billions of taxpayer dollars on something that won't actually work?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:59 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So all those poor furloughed workers that Democrats allegedly care about cam go back to work?


So the PARTY OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY can blow billions of taxpayer dollars on something that won't actually work?


That seems to be the issue, yes.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:02 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So the PARTY OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY can blow billions of taxpayer dollars on something that won't actually work?


That seems to be the issue, yes.


we dont need the stupid wall. Trump caused this he can end it. The votes are not there to give him his racist wall

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:03 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So the PARTY OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY can blow billions of taxpayer dollars on something that won't actually work?


That seems to be the issue, yes.


So you agree that the Republicans are being hypocritical by preaching Fiscal Responsibility then demanding a white elephant be funded?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:05 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That seems to be the issue, yes.


So you agree that the Republicans are being hypocritical by preaching Fiscal Responsibility then demanding a white elephant be funded?


No more than the Democrats who claim to care about the little guy and are instead keeping thousands of little guys out of work with their refusal to cave.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That seems to be the issue, yes.


we dont need the stupid wall. Trump caused this he can end it. The votes are not there to give him his racist wall


-shrug- The things our government does that we don't need would fill volumes...
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:07 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you agree that the Republicans are being hypocritical by preaching Fiscal Responsibility then demanding a white elephant be funded?


No more than the Democrats who claim to care about the little guy and are instead keeping thousands of little guys out of work with their refusal to cave.


"You're the villains for not doing whatever we want".

Really sound logic right there. :rofl:
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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:08 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you agree that the Republicans are being hypocritical by preaching Fiscal Responsibility then demanding a white elephant be funded?


No more than the Democrats who claim to care about the little guy and are instead keeping thousands of little guys out of work with their refusal to cave.



Do you agree that the wall will likely be ineffective?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:09 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No more than the Democrats who claim to care about the little guy and are instead keeping thousands of little guys out of work with their refusal to cave.


"You're the villains for not doing whatever we want".

Really sound logic right there. :rofl:


Surprising you disapprove of your own MO...

Maineiacs wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No more than the Democrats who claim to care about the little guy and are instead keeping thousands of little guys out of work with their refusal to cave.



Do you agree that the wall will likely be ineffective?


Yes.
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:10 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you agree that the Republicans are being hypocritical by preaching Fiscal Responsibility then demanding a white elephant be funded?


No more than the Democrats who claim to care about the little guy and are instead keeping thousands of little guys out of work with their refusal to cave.

I mean that goes the other way around. Republicans are screaming the little guy by trying to build a wall that benefits no one.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:13 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No more than the Democrats who claim to care about the little guy and are instead keeping thousands of little guys out of work with their refusal to cave.

I mean that goes the other way around. Republicans are screaming the little guy by trying to build a wall that benefits no one.


Sure.
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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:20 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
"You're the villains for not doing whatever we want".

Really sound logic right there. :rofl:


Surprising you disapprove of your own MO...

Maineiacs wrote:

Do you agree that the wall will likely be ineffective?


Yes.



If you agree that it will be ineffective, why spend money on it?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:21 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
we dont need the stupid wall. Trump caused this he can end it. The votes are not there to give him his racist wall


-shrug- The things our government does that we don't need would fill volumes...


I would agree there is plenty of things we dont need but to shut it down for something that will not work is asinine.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
"You're the villains for not doing whatever we want".

Really sound logic right there. :rofl:


Surprising you disapprove of your own MO...

Maineiacs wrote:

Do you agree that the wall will likely be ineffective?


Yes.


And so you jump straight to the NO U again.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:23 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Surprising you disapprove of your own MO...



Yes.



If you agree that it will be ineffective, why spend money on it?


Because the guy with veto power insists on it...
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:

If you agree that it will be ineffective, why spend money on it?


Because the guy with veto power insists on it...


Then let him insist on it. Hes not getting it.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:28 pm

Telconi wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:

If you agree that it will be ineffective, why spend money on it?


Because the guy with veto power insists on it...

Any standard we wanna keep that guy to? At all? Like, perhaps use his power for the common good like he was elected to do?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Because the guy with veto power insists on it...


Then let him insist on it. Hes not getting it.


Then those workers stay furloughed forever.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:29 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Because the guy with veto power insists on it...

Any standard we wanna keep that guy to? At all? Like, perhaps use his power for the common good like he was elected to do?


I don't know if a 'common good' exists...
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:29 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Then let him insist on it. Hes not getting it.


Then those workers stay furloughed forever.

Or Congress passes a veto proof bill.

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Postby The South Falls » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:30 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Then let him insist on it. Hes not getting it.


Then those workers stay furloughed forever.

It's not abouDemocrats. There was already a bill to be passed. Saying that the Democrats are bad for not caving into the president's every demand controverts democracy.
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