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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:16 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I thought the main criticism is that the wall won't work. Are you lamenting the wall possibly working too well?


You will find that not all opponents of the wall are a hive mind who have the same arguments for disliking it.

In that case, I'm interested in seeing the argument against the wall being too effective.
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Northern Davincia wrote:I thought the main criticism is that the wall won't work. Are you lamenting the wall possibly working too well?

I quite like the idea of the government staying closed forever.

Enjoy all planes being grounded when ATC goes on strike or there is a huge accident at a factory or environmental disaster because no one checked safety regulations. And that’s just the beginning. Maybe then his cult like following will wake up

Nothing that a dose of privatization can't fix.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:16 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:I quite like the idea of the government staying closed forever.

You may like the idea of it, but I highly doubt that you’d like the effects of it.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:17 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I quite like the idea of the government staying closed forever.

You may like the idea of it, but I highly doubt that you’d like the effects of it.

Depends on how gradual it is.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:18 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
You will find that not all opponents of the wall are a hive mind who have the same arguments for disliking it.

In that case, I'm interested in seeing the argument against the wall being too effective.
San Lumen wrote:Enjoy all planes being grounded when ATC goes on strike or there is a huge accident at a factory or environmental disaster because no one checked safety regulations. And that’s just the beginning. Maybe then his cult like following will wake up

Nothing that a dose of privatization can't fix.

Yeah let’s just privatize everything. Who needs a government anyway? Let’s have government by corporatation. Let’s privitize the police while we are at it. That worked out so well in Robocop
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:23 pm

I would have accepted a defence of privatisation of essential government functions in the 1950's, when such an idea was new. Now, however, privatisation has been tried and tested, and outside of a few specific industries it has turned out not to work at all.

Why do people keep pretending like this is a new idea that we only have theory on. The ideas have been put into practice, and quite unsuccessfully in a large number of cases.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:In that case, I'm interested in seeing the argument against the wall being too effective.

Nothing that a dose of privatization can't fix.

Yeah let’s just privatize everything. Who needs a government anyway? Let’s have government by corporatation. Let’s privitize the police while we are at it. That worked out so well in Robocop

I'm hardly one to complain about any of these ideas.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:31 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah let’s just privatize everything. Who needs a government anyway? Let’s have government by corporatation. Let’s privitize the police while we are at it. That worked out so well in Robocop

I'm hardly one to complain about any of these ideas.

Sounds like your sig needs a change from “Minarchist” to AnCap then. :^]
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:37 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I'm hardly one to complain about any of these ideas.

Sounds like your sig needs a change from “Minarchist” to AnCap then. :^]


This is the future Davincia wants.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:38 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Sounds like your sig needs a change from “Minarchist” to AnCap then. :^]


This is the future Davincia wants.

I watch that film daily.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Sounds like your sig needs a change from “Minarchist” to AnCap then. :^]


This is the future Davincia wants.

Oh, I’m already enlisted in the Grand Army of the Burger King. ;^]
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:17 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You may like the idea of it, but I highly doubt that you’d like the effects of it.

Depends on how gradual it is.

I’m in favor of dismantling the United States and making a new society. In the words of Will Smith, it’s rewind time.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:23 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Depends on how gradual it is.

I’m in favor of dismantling the United States and making a new society. In the words of Will Smith, it’s rewind time.


Sorry, any reference to Rewind 2018 means I'm immediately out.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:36 pm

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:42 pm

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If the Democrats cave in to Trump's demands, then they will also lose their credibility as a party.


They have to -- Trump won't give in, as he doesn't give a shit about governing in the first place, but wants his choir to praise him without stopping. The rest just want to govern, or at least reestablish a functioning government, even with a fucking manbaby and his bloody wall attached.

They don’t have to do shit. They can continue to pass a budget without the wall funding and continue to watch the media and republican senators lambast Trump
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:44 pm



You know what'll calm investors? Giving them more proof your administration is a chaotic mess and on the verge of implosion. A great confidence booster, really.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:45 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You may like the idea of it, but I highly doubt that you’d like the effects of it.

Depends on how gradual it is.

It would be anything but
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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:06 pm

Duhon wrote:
Corrian wrote:Let's not be over dramatic here.


This shutdown won't end on Thursday, or the next week, or the week after that. Or if it does end early on, it'll be because Democrats would've caved in rather than allow that fucking dick with no sense of duty to grind government to a halt.

And? That has nothing to do with what I said.
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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:In that case, I'm interested in seeing the argument against the wall being too effective.

Nothing that a dose of privatization can't fix.

Yeah let’s just privatize everything. Who needs a government anyway? Let’s have government by corporatation. Let’s privitize the police while we are at it. That worked out so well in Robocop

I don't really give a shit about basing policies off of movies.
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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:09 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Depends on how gradual it is.

I’m in favor of dismantling the United States and making a new society. In the words of Will Smith, it’s rewind time.

Please never reference that again.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:27 pm


Trump’s cabinet has to be the most unstable in recent history.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:28 pm

This is Trump's shutdown and he alone owns it . Democrats dont have to do anything. They should not give him one penny for his wall. Maybe eventually his cult like base will wake up when all planes are grounded from ATC going on strike but they will likely still blame the Democrats or maybe Obama. Trump can literally do no wrong in their view.

It would be nice to see landlords and especially the IRS cut people slack because they aren't getting paid but its likely they dont have the heart especially the IRS.
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Postby Loben » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:This is Trump's shutdown and he alone owns it . Democrats dont have to do anything. They should not give him one penny for his wall. Maybe eventually his cult like base will wake up when all planes are grounded from ATC going on strike but they will likely still blame the Democrats or maybe Obama. Trump can literally do no wrong in their view.

It would be nice to see landlords and especially the IRS cut people slack because they aren't getting paid but its likely they dont have the heart especially the IRS.


wtf i love landlords and the IRS now.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:47 pm

Loben wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This is Trump's shutdown and he alone owns it . Democrats dont have to do anything. They should not give him one penny for his wall. Maybe eventually his cult like base will wake up when all planes are grounded from ATC going on strike but they will likely still blame the Democrats or maybe Obama. Trump can literally do no wrong in their view.

It would be nice to see landlords and especially the IRS cut people slack because they aren't getting paid but its likely they dont have the heart especially the IRS.


wtf i love landlords and the IRS now.


Putting people on the street because a heartless president choose to shutdown the government is a good thing. Anyone with a heart would say i'll the rent payment slide or take less. The IRS probubly would care less.

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Postby Loben » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loben wrote:
wtf i love landlords and the IRS now.


Putting people on the street because a heartless president choose to shutdown the government is a good thing. Anyone with a heart would say i'll the rent payment slide or take less. The IRS probubly would care less.


Yes because i love losing money.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:54 pm

Loben wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Putting people on the street because a heartless president choose to shutdown the government is a good thing. Anyone with a heart would say i'll the rent payment slide or take less. The IRS probubly would care less.


Yes because i love losing money.


Yeah its their fault they aren't getting paid and might not have enough money.

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