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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:36 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Mardla wrote:That is actually wrong, and I live in California so doubly wrong here.

It is true. There are 270 million whiite Americana and 110 Mexicans.

in the Whole Country or?
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:41 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:It is true. There are 270 million whiite Americana and 110 Mexicans.

in the Whole Country or?


In the whole Mexican state.
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:48 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Mardla wrote:That is actually wrong, and I live in California so doubly wrong here.

It is true. There are 270 million whiite Americana and 110 Mexicans.

Yes, whites make up 76.9% of the American population. That is, if you count 95% of Hispanics as white. Factoring out Hispanics, means whites comprise 61.3% of the population.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:50 pm

Mardla wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Trump has affirmed: government isn't opening until he gets his border wall.

Sounds good. State government can take care of business. Don't need a national government that refuses to secure the border.

Immigration and border security is a federal issue not a state one. There is nothing the border states can do
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:53 pm

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Mardla wrote:Sounds good. State government can take care of business. Don't need a national government that refuses to secure the border.

Immigration and border security is a federal issue not a state one. There is nothing the border states can do

Then the Civil Rights Act is also a Federal issue, and states cannot regard it.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:54 pm

Mardla wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Immigration and border security is a federal issue not a state one. There is nothing the border states can do

Then the Civil Rights Act is also a Federal issue, and states cannot regard it.

I’m sorry what? It applies to every state

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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:55 pm

Mardla wrote:
Galloism wrote:It's worth note there is, as I understand, a narrow path here. A departing house and incoming senate could pass a bill in this fashion.

However, the bills must be completely identical. Not even a single word can change, of the bill goes back to the house to pass again. Reconciliation is not a path here, as they would have to reconcile with the new house.

Yep, tough, but doable.

In the new congress, you are NOT getting your border wall. It's just not happening.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:59 pm

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Mardla wrote:Yep, tough, but doable.

In the new congress, you are NOT getting your border wall. It's just not happening.

its probably a dead horse by now, but what function would a wall even have?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:02 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Corrian wrote:In the new congress, you are NOT getting your border wall. It's just not happening.

its probably a dead horse by now, but what function would a wall even have?

No function at all.

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Postby Ism » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:02 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Corrian wrote:In the new congress, you are NOT getting your border wall. It's just not happening.

its probably a dead horse by now, but what function would a wall even have?


Security theater.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:10 pm

Mardla wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:It is true. There are 270 million whiite Americana and 110 Mexicans.

Yes, whites make up 76.9% of the American population. That is, if you count 95% of Hispanics as white. Factoring out Hispanics, means whites comprise 61.3% of the population.


You'll never believe what's still numerically smaller than that.

It's the population of Mexico!
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:20 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Mardla wrote:Yes, whites make up 76.9% of the American population. That is, if you count 95% of Hispanics as white. Factoring out Hispanics, means whites comprise 61.3% of the population.


You'll never believe what's still numerically smaller than that.

It's the population of Mexico!


This is the most idiotic discussion I’ve seen on NSG and that’s saying something.... I’d like to play.


If Mexico were annexed by the US, whites would still be a larger group by about 4 million people.

In our new 450 million people country, that’s a little under 1%
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:59 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Mardla wrote:Yes, whites make up 76.9% of the American population. That is, if you count 95% of Hispanics as white. Factoring out Hispanics, means whites comprise 61.3% of the population.


You'll never believe what's still numerically smaller than that.

It's the population of Mexico!

Sure, until you added 48.7% U.S. population, the Hispanic and nonwhite portion.
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:01 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
You'll never believe what's still numerically smaller than that.

It's the population of Mexico!


This is the most idiotic discussion I’ve seen on NSG and that’s saying something.... I’d like to play.


If Mexico were annexed by the US, whites would still be a larger group by about 4 million people.

In our new 450 million people country, that’s a little under 1%

About 9/10 of U.S. Hispanics are demographically censused as white, which is the whole basis of your point.
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:03 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Corrian wrote:In the new congress, you are NOT getting your border wall. It's just not happening.

its probably a dead horse by now, but what function would a wall even have?

Keeping people out.
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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:04 pm

Mardla wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:its probably a dead horse by now, but what function would a wall even have?

Keeping people out.

But it wouldn't do that, as has been explained many times over. Most people overstay their VISA, ladders exist, and so do shovels.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:04 pm

Mardla wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:its probably a dead horse by now, but what function would a wall even have?

Keeping people out.


Which it would do a poor job of, given most people here illegally are visa overstays. I'm all for border security but an actual wall is stupid in all but the most high traffic areas.
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:14 pm

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Mardla wrote:Keeping people out.


Which it would do a poor job of, given most people here illegally are visa overstays. I'm all for border security but an actual wall is stupid in all but the most high traffic areas.

Pretty sure most heroin and meth don't get here through overstays.
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:16 pm

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Mardla wrote:Keeping people out.

But it wouldn't do that, as has been explained many times over. Most people overstay their VISA, ladders exist, and so do shovels.

Most isn't all, but we should definitely abolish visas, I called my congressman and asked him to vote against visas.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:17 pm

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Which it would do a poor job of, given most people here illegally are visa overstays. I'm all for border security but an actual wall is stupid in all but the most high traffic areas.

Pretty sure most heroin and meth don't get here through overstays.


Nor do you really need to traffic across the border to get either. Online sales from China are becoming an increasingly easier source for cheap synthetic heroin and any redneck tweaker can set up a meth lab.
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:18 pm

Mardla wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Which it would do a poor job of, given most people here illegally are visa overstays. I'm all for border security but an actual wall is stupid in all but the most high traffic areas.

Pretty sure most heroin and meth don't get here through overstays.

Not sure how a fence that you can literally pass things through would stop it.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:21 pm

Mardla wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Which it would do a poor job of, given most people here illegally are visa overstays. I'm all for border security but an actual wall is stupid in all but the most high traffic areas.

Pretty sure most heroin and meth don't get here through overstays.


Most drug smuggling occurs through legal ports of entry.
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:26 pm

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Mardla wrote:Pretty sure most heroin and meth don't get here through overstays.


Nor do you really need to traffic across the border to get either. Online sales from China are becoming an increasingly easier source for cheap synthetic heroin and any redneck tweaker can set up a meth lab.

Most heroin is definitely not bought online, and no, it is absolutely not easy to cook high grade meth, especially in large quantities without being detected.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:29 pm

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Nor do you really need to traffic across the border to get either. Online sales from China are becoming an increasingly easier source for cheap synthetic heroin and any redneck tweaker can set up a meth lab.

Most heroin is definitely not bought online, and no, it is absolutely not easy to cook high grade meth, especially in large quantities without being detected.


I never said anything about it being high quality, but meth labs are a dime a dozen. Whilst most isn't bought online it's very easy to get fentanyl in about 5 minutes with the power of the internet and that's only going to become more common. A wall is a piss poor way of stopping drug usage.
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:30 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Mardla wrote:Pretty sure most heroin and meth don't get here through overstays.


Most drug smuggling occurs through legal ports of entry.

If you count incidence rather than quantity, sure.
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