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Postby Loben » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:31 am

San Lumen wrote:The Mueller seems to lay out the possibility of serious crimes but nothing will come of it because Republicans wont vote to impeach. We've now established the President is above the law. I wish Republicans in Congress and Mitch McConnell would grow and pair and stab their base in the back hard and remove Trump from power and resign themselves to losing massively next year.


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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:18 am

Loben wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The Mueller seems to lay out the possibility of serious crimes but nothing will come of it because Republicans wont vote to impeach. We've now established the President is above the law. I wish Republicans in Congress and Mitch McConnell would grow and pair and stab their base in the back hard and remove Trump from power and resign themselves to losing massively next year.


“Why won’t these people who are diametrically opposed to me do what i demand?”

This is the question you should be asking yourself each time you post.


If we are dividing everything into 'sides' and 'teams': on whose side is the law?
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Postby Loben » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:31 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Loben wrote:
“Why won’t these people who are diametrically opposed to me do what i demand?”

This is the question you should be asking yourself each time you post.


If we are dividing everything into 'sides' and 'teams': on whose side is the law?

Was a crime committed

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Postby Galloism » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:32 am

Loben wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
If we are dividing everything into 'sides' and 'teams': on whose side is the law?

Was a crime committed

Tbh, probably. Based on what I've read so far, it looks like obstruction of justice (which is a crime).

The report writers did not specify that conclusion is right or wrong.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:35 am

Galloism wrote:
Loben wrote: Was a crime committed

Tbh, probably. Based on what I've read so far, it looks like obstruction of justice (which is a crime).

The report writers did not specify that conclusion is right or wrong.


I agree: there was some form of obstruction of justice, although it can be argued that this was "attempted" obstruction of justice, which is a crime (?) I believe. Still, he punted to Congress to decide and Mueller's Report did say there can be a case for obstruction from Trump's Tweeting so...

And how much have you read? I got to page 35.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:38 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Galloism wrote:Tbh, probably. Based on what I've read so far, it looks like obstruction of justice (which is a crime).

The report writers did not specify that conclusion is right or wrong.


I agree: there was some form of obstruction of justice, although it can be argued that this was "attempted" obstruction of justice, which is a crime (?) I believe. Still, he punted to Congress to decide and Mueller's Report did say there can be a case for obstruction from Trump's Tweeting so...

And how much have you read? I got to page 35.

53 so far, but I gotta go to work, so I won't get to more until later.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:47 am

Galloism wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I agree: there was some form of obstruction of justice, although it can be argued that this was "attempted" obstruction of justice, which is a crime (?) I believe. Still, he punted to Congress to decide and Mueller's Report did say there can be a case for obstruction from Trump's Tweeting so...

And how much have you read? I got to page 35.

53 so far, but I gotta go to work, so I won't get to more until later.


Nah man, it's Good Friday. You have religious excuse :p

Hey, at least we'll be informed on Mueller's findings, unlike some that will just grasp on the small things. Let's see if we both reach the same conclusion. I'm intellectually curious.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:16 am

"It's all Bullshit", says Trump

He does realize that he's making it worst for himself, right? And not to mention, he wasn't force to testify; he chose not to testify. Why? Because they would have got him on perjury most likely, especially from his own staff, which he might retaliate against. Calling the Report that fully exonerates you from collusion and somewhat exonerates you on obstruction "bullshit" is not only a ridiculous claim, it's a terrible idea politically and legally speaking. He's giving more fuel to fire for his base, and the Democrats. The question is, which one will burn brighter and bigger now.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:19 am

Zurkerx wrote:"It's all Bullshit", says Trump

He does realize that he's making it worst for himself, right? And not to mention, he wasn't force to testify; he chose not to testify. Why? Because they would have got him on perjury most likely, especially from his own staff, which he might retaliate against. Calling the Report that fully exonerates you from collusion and somewhat exonerates you on obstruction "bullshit" is not only a ridiculous claim, it's a terrible idea politically and legally speaking. He's giving more fuel to fire for his base, and the Democrats. The question is, which one will burn brighter and bigger now.

He wants his chocolate cake and eat it too with the Mueller Report.
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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:41 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:"It's all Bullshit", says Trump

He does realize that he's making it worst for himself, right? And not to mention, he wasn't force to testify; he chose not to testify. Why? Because they would have got him on perjury most likely, especially from his own staff, which he might retaliate against. Calling the Report that fully exonerates you from collusion and somewhat exonerates you on obstruction "bullshit" is not only a ridiculous claim, it's a terrible idea politically and legally speaking. He's giving more fuel to fire for his base, and the Democrats. The question is, which one will burn brighter and bigger now.

He wants his chocolate cake and eat it too with the Mueller Report.

Obviously, some "spambots" don't want anything more than the Muller Report with all the positive things about Trump being redacted and all the negative things being kept in. Of course, that would be one-sided and HIDEOUS.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:52 pm

Nilrahrarfan wrote:
Gormwood wrote:He wants his chocolate cake and eat it too with the Mueller Report.

Obviously, some "spambots" don't want anything more than the Muller Report with all the positive things about Trump being redacted and all the negative things being kept in. Of course, that would be one-sided and HIDEOUS.

If by "positive things" you mean "Trump could not be directly implicated with obstruction because people around him had more common sense than to carry out his orders."
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:56 pm

Zurkerx wrote:"It's all Bullshit", says Trump

He does realize that he's making it worst for himself, right? And not to mention, he wasn't force to testify; he chose not to testify. Why? Because they would have got him on perjury most likely, especially from his own staff, which he might retaliate against. Calling the Report that fully exonerates you from collusion and somewhat exonerates you on obstruction "bullshit" is not only a ridiculous claim, it's a terrible idea politically and legally speaking. He's giving more fuel to fire for his base, and the Democrats. The question is, which one will burn brighter and bigger now.

None of this matters considering how Trump could be shown to have committed murder and Republicans wouldn't impeach him. We've established that the President is above the law and that should frighten everyone

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:05 pm

Zurkerx wrote:"It's all Bullshit", says Trump

He does realize that he's making it worst for himself, right? And not to mention, he wasn't force to testify; he chose not to testify. Why? Because they would have got him on perjury most likely, especially from his own staff, which he might retaliate against. Calling the Report that fully exonerates you from collusion and somewhat exonerates you on obstruction "bullshit" is not only a ridiculous claim, it's a terrible idea politically and legally speaking. He's giving more fuel to fire for his base, and the Democrats. The question is, which one will burn brighter and bigger now.

It's all lies, and also totally exonerates Trump. Don't think about those two things together, though.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:"It's all Bullshit", says Trump

He does realize that he's making it worst for himself, right? And not to mention, he wasn't force to testify; he chose not to testify. Why? Because they would have got him on perjury most likely, especially from his own staff, which he might retaliate against. Calling the Report that fully exonerates you from collusion and somewhat exonerates you on obstruction "bullshit" is not only a ridiculous claim, it's a terrible idea politically and legally speaking. He's giving more fuel to fire for his base, and the Democrats. The question is, which one will burn brighter and bigger now.

None of this matters considering how Trump could be shown to have committed murder and Republicans wouldn't impeach him. We've established that the President is above the law and that should frighten everyone

The executive branch has gone unchecked for a long time now, though it's bizarre to say that Republicans wouldn't impeach Trump if something concrete was found.
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Postby Duhon » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:25 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:None of this matters considering how Trump could be shown to have committed murder and Republicans wouldn't impeach him. We've established that the President is above the law and that should frighten everyone

The executive branch has gone unchecked for a long time now, though it's bizarre to say that Republicans wouldn't impeach Trump if something concrete was found.


... Obama.

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Postby The South Falls » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:27 pm

It's all bullshit laid out in facts. Plus, now we now Bill Barr was at least partially covering for the president.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:28 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:None of this matters considering how Trump could be shown to have committed murder and Republicans wouldn't impeach him. We've established that the President is above the law and that should frighten everyone

The executive branch has gone unchecked for a long time now, though it's bizarre to say that Republicans wouldn't impeach Trump if something concrete was found.

Considering they settled for impeaching Bill Clinton over lying about an affair, it's amusingly ridiculous to hear the Republicans require exacting evidence to impeach Trump now.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:29 pm

Duhon wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The executive branch has gone unchecked for a long time now, though it's bizarre to say that Republicans wouldn't impeach Trump if something concrete was found.


... Obama.

Never came close to impeachment, though for droning American citizens, it wouldn't be unfair.
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Postby Duhon » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:33 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Duhon wrote:
... Obama.

Never came close to impeachment, though for droning American citizens, it wouldn't be unfair.


They can't exactly impeach someone who they've never thought was impeachable. A birth certificate, a tan suit, and some condiments wouldn't do it.

What I mean are checks to his policies and programs he wanted implemented -- they were wildly successful in cockblocking almost everything of significance.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:33 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The executive branch has gone unchecked for a long time now, though it's bizarre to say that Republicans wouldn't impeach Trump if something concrete was found.

Considering they settled for impeaching Bill Clinton over lying about an affair, it's amusingly ridiculous to hear the Republicans require exacting evidence to impeach Trump now.

It wasn't about the affair, it was about lying under oath. Not impeaching the president for lying under oath sets a terrible precedent.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:35 pm

Duhon wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Never came close to impeachment, though for droning American citizens, it wouldn't be unfair.


They can't exactly impeach someone who they've never thought was impeachable. A birth certificate, a tan suit, and some condiments wouldn't do it.

What I mean are checks to his policies and programs he wanted implemented -- they were wildly successful in cockblocking almost everything of significance.

I adored the GOP when they were acting as the opposition, so I can't complain. Fortunately that had nothing to do with impeachment.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:56 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Considering they settled for impeaching Bill Clinton over lying about an affair, it's amusingly ridiculous to hear the Republicans require exacting evidence to impeach Trump now.

It wasn't about the affair, it was about lying under oath. Not impeaching the president for lying under oath sets a terrible precedent.


:D And yet the people that were part of that now give donnie a pass for all his lying.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:58 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It wasn't about the affair, it was about lying under oath. Not impeaching the president for lying under oath sets a terrible precedent.


:D And yet the people that were part of that now give donnie a pass for all his lying.

Has he lied under oath?
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:01 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
:D And yet the people that were part of that now give donnie a pass for all his lying.

Has he lied under oath?

The comedy of course being Trump's lawyers were deathly afraid of him giving a sworn testimony because they knew he would perjure himself. If the House committees can subpoena Trump that will be a 3-pointer if not game, set, match.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:01 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
:D And yet the people that were part of that now give donnie a pass for all his lying.

Has he lied under oath?


The trump party won't let him so we will never know.

If he ever did? He will lie. He is just too fucking stupid to know when to shut his mouth or tell the truth.

The dumb fuck has told lies when he didn't have to.
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