MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[Zurkerx]

Holy shit.

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state"

This is clear legalese for 'we found evidence to support that Donald Trump did commit obstruction of justice'. This is monumental.

It seems he punted it for Congress to decide, not the AG or the Deputy AG. One of those potential obstruction attempts happened 6/19/2017.

[Cannot think of a name]

Holy shit.

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state"

This is clear legalese for 'we found evidence to support that Donald Trump did commit obstruction of justice'. This is monumental.

It seems he punted it for Congress to decide, not the AG or the Deputy AG. One of those potential obstruction attempts happened 6/19/2017.

He straight up said it's up to congress. As if he knew that there was no way this would get through Trumps hand picked protectors.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

It's clear that, if Trump had not been the President, this would have gotten him an indictment.

[Zurkerx]

It seems he punted it for Congress to decide, not the AG or the Deputy AG. One of those potential obstruction attempts happened 6/19/2017.

He straight up said it's up to congress. As if he knew that there was no way this would get through Trumps hand picked protectors.

At least Barr didn't redact these key parts; it would have been a bloody massacre. I haven't read the report, but it seems the Obstruction part is a "gray area", especially since Trump told his former White House Lawyer, Don McGahn, to fire Mueller. Luckily, McgGahn didn't go through with that. It seems Trump didn't go full-on obstruct justice, but his intentions are clear and define.

[Zurkerx]

The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.

Now it makes sense why they couldn't establish a full case on Obstruction of Justice: his orders failed to go through and thus, it didn't happen. Still, his intent is well defined and if he were to succeed, then we would have a stronger case for obstruction of justice. Basically, he isn't the angel he was painted by AG Barr to be.

[Alvecia]

The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.

Now it makes sense why they couldn't establish a full case on Obstruction of Justice: his orders failed to go through and thus, it didn't happen. Still, his intent is well defined and if he were to succeed, then we would have a stronger case for obstruction of justice. Basically, he isn't the angel he was painted by AG Barr to be.

Nice little insight into the workings of the Trump admin as well. Wonder what and how many other times people have declined to follow the orders of the President.

[Idzequitch]

I hope that we never, ever get a President like Trump in any other form again. I am sure that if someone like Donald Trump ran for the Democratic Party candidacy, he would have almost no chance of getting it. The Democratic Party is not compromised to the degree that the Trumpublican Republican Party is.

I have a feeling that a generation from now we'll look back on Trump with longing.

A longing to slap some sense into our past selves and vote for someone else?

[Tobleste]

I can't wait for Republicans to start bashing a Democrat President that acts like Trump, the hypocrisy will be its finest.

I hope that we never, ever get a President like Trump in any other form again. I am sure that if someone like Donald Trump ran for the Democratic Party candidacy, he would have almost no chance of getting it. The Democratic Party is not compromised to the degree that the Trumpublican Republican Party is.

Well trumps racism and sexism would be immediate career finishers for any Democrat. So too for his corruption and bullying. Nut that's down to the two party's different agendas and moralities.

Why Democrats wouldn't vote for someone as openly stupid as trump though is interesting. Either it's because they're better educated or because Fox really has rotted people's brains.

[Tarsonis]

Redacted report is out. No collusion established by investigation. How long until the Democrats demand the unredacted report just cause?

[Shrillland]

Redacted report is out. No collusion established by investigation. How long until the Democrats demand the unredacted report just cause?

There will still be the fog over the obstruction issue...but that isn't something we can easily attack him with since it doesn't go either way, neither implicated nor cleared.

[Northern Davincia]

I hope that we never, ever get a President like Trump in any other form again. I am sure that if someone like Donald Trump ran for the Democratic Party candidacy, he would have almost no chance of getting it. The Democratic Party is not compromised to the degree that the Trumpublican Republican Party is.

Well trumps racism and sexism would be immediate career finishers for any Democrat. So too for his corruption and bullying. Nut that's down to the two party's different agendas and moralities.

Why Democrats wouldn't vote for someone as openly stupid as trump though is interesting. Either it's because they're better educated or because Fox really has rotted people's brains.

I must wonder what your opinion of Andrew Cuomo is.

[Cannot think of a name]

Redacted report is out. No collusion established by investigation. How long until the Democrats demand the unredacted report just cause?

What a comically narrow view of what has happened today.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I have a feeling that a generation from now we'll look back on Trump with longing.

A longing to slap some sense into our past selves and vote for someone else?

Another reason for the US to get Single Transferable Vote (STV), honestly we had such crappy choices back in 2016 for the reason of “there was no other choice”. STV would had changed the political landscape completely.

[Northern Davincia]

A longing to slap some sense into our past selves and vote for someone else?

Another reason for the US to get Single Transferable Vote (STV), honestly we had such crappy choices back in 2016 for the reason of “there was no other choice”. STV would had changed the political landscape completely.

Reform is needed but our cries fall on deaf ears.

[Vassenor]

Redacted report is out. No collusion established by investigation. How long until the Democrats demand the unredacted report just cause?

#doesnotexonerate

Still ignoring the inconvenient bits, I see.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Another reason for the US to get Single Transferable Vote (STV), honestly we had such crappy choices back in 2016 for the reason of “there was no other choice”. STV would had changed the political landscape completely.

Reform is needed but our cries fall on deaf ears.

Well, if we tell everyone we know about it. I think itd start the discussion atleast. I think its America’s ignorance that prevents it from election change, that and politician fearing the loss of power. But if we can garner enough support, we could get the states to promote this change rather those in congress. Most likely the most realistic approach.

[Zurkerx]

Redacted report is out. No collusion established by investigation. How long until the Democrats demand the unredacted report just cause?

There will still be the fog over the obstruction issue...but that isn't something we can easily attack him with since it doesn't go either way, neither implicated nor cleared.

Indeed, and that part was purposely punted towards Congress to decide (after all, Mueller believes you can't indict a sitting President). However, this part of the investigation was also ignored by the post above: how Russia meddled in the US Election, which is likely mostly classified and I guarantee extends to the 12 investigations that are redacted. Even if Trump is not impeach on obstruction of justice (it would be wise for the Democrats not to pursue unless there's an abundance of evidence), there's plenty in the report to use against Trump. The report is more damaging politically then anything.

We all should be thankful our President hasn't been compromised by a foreign power in regards to collusion, although the Emolument Clause remains a concern. However, it's very concerning that he tried to interfere. Which brings me to another group to thank: his subordinates. At least they had a god damn brain and not follow through with Trump's moronic demands. If they have, impeach would definitely be on the table and Trump's political career would be in jeopardy.

[Northern Davincia]

Redacted report is out. No collusion established by investigation. How long until the Democrats demand the unredacted report just cause?

#doesnotexonerate

Still ignoring the inconvenient bits, I see.

Barr's exoneration still stands, if I recall.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Redacted report is out. No collusion established by investigation. How long until the Democrats demand the unredacted report just cause?

#doesnotexonerate

Still ignoring the inconvenient bits, I see.

Save the witless twitter hashtags for twitter, they don’t work for nationstates. It only makes the gotcha, even more lowsy and makes it seem like your pointing out useless facts.

[Cannot think of a name]

#doesnotexonerate

Still ignoring the inconvenient bits, I see.

Save the witless twitter hashtags for twitter, they don’t work for nationstates. It only makes the gotcha, even more lowsy and makes it seem like your pointing out useless facts.

We don't need your class to graduate.

[Ifreann]

#doesnotexonerate

Still ignoring the inconvenient bits, I see.

Barr's exoneration still stands, if I recall.

Barr's summary also said that Trump was not exonerated.

[Vassenor]

Barr's exoneration still stands, if I recall.

Barr's summary also said that Trump was not exonerated.

You're not supposed to mention that. It's inconvenient for the narrative.

[Northern Davincia]

Barr's summary also said that Trump was not exonerated.

You're not supposed to mention that. It's inconvenient for the narrative.

In that case, I shall wait patiently for proof of collusion. I'm sure it'll turn up any day now.

[Ifreann]

You're not supposed to mention that. It's inconvenient for the narrative.

In that case, I shall wait patiently for proof of collusion. I'm sure it'll turn up any day now.

Presumably around the same time those exonerations do.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Save the witless twitter hashtags for twitter, they don’t work for nationstates. It only makes the gotcha, even more lowsy and makes it seem like your pointing out useless facts.

We don't need your class to graduate.

Doesn’t stop me from teaching, people from being upstanding forum users. *scoffs* you expect me to ignore such barbarity?