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Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:47 am**

The Black Forrest wrote:
Galloism wrote:Shit people, fire your tax guy.

I sent my truckers back to renegotiate with their companies and get those companies to set up an accountable plan with nontaxable per diem reimbursement. One changed jobs to a company that had an accountable plan.

A tax guy isn’t just there to calculate the past, but also reshape the future.

Assumption being he didn't try. Family members are members of the cult of donnie. We tried to tell them the tax cuts wouldn't do what they expected. They didn't believe us and they are stunned at how little they got back or had to pay......

A lot of that is about your approach.

I approach it as "if nothing changes about your situation, you're going to get screwed. However, we can change your situation slightly, and you'll wind off even better under the new code than you were under the old status quo."

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:55 am**

Galloism wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Assumption being he didn't try. Family members are members of the cult of donnie. We tried to tell them the tax cuts wouldn't do what they expected. They didn't believe us and they are stunned at how little they got back or had to pay......

A lot of that is about your approach.

I approach it as "if nothing changes about your situation, you're going to get screwed. However, we can change your situation slightly, and you'll wind off even better under the new code than you were under the old status quo."

It also helps to have their finance info and be able to show projections. We didn't have that. What is surprising is they complain but still think donnie is maga.......

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:57 am**

The Black Forrest wrote:
Galloism wrote:A lot of that is about your approach.

I approach it as "if nothing changes about your situation, you're going to get screwed. However, we can change your situation slightly, and you'll wind off even better under the new code than you were under the old status quo."

It also helps to have their finance info and be able to show projections. We didn't have that. What is surprising is they complain but still think donnie is maga.......

Well, that's true. I very specifically have that info for clients. They give it to me freely because they know I can execute magic on it and make money appear, or at least make less money disappear.

But in the article I linked, it was tax pros grousing about how their truck driver clients got screwed by the new tax law. I'm scoffing a bit because that's kind of their fault - they didn't look to the future when the law was passed. They're just grousing about things that they watched happen and did nothing about, saying how horrible it is for their clients. They knew this was going to happen, or should have known, and did nothing.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:06 am**

Galloism wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
It also helps to have their finance info and be able to show projections. We didn't have that. What is surprising is they complain but still think donnie is maga.......

Well, that's true. I very specifically have that info for clients. They give it to me freely because they know I can execute magic on it and make money appear, or at least make less money disappear.

But in the article I linked, it was tax pros grousing about how their truck driver clients got screwed by the new tax law. I'm scoffing a bit because that's kind of their fault - they didn't look to the future when the law was passed. They're just grousing about things that they watched happen and did nothing about, saying how horrible it is for their clients. They knew this was going to happen, or should have known, and did nothing.

Indeed. The probably drank the koolaid and thought everything was going to be great. I am sorry when it comes to household income; I never trust a politician. Least of all Republicans (got screwed by St. Reagan).

People seem to have stopped checking on things like this. Few seem to realize the future loss of mortgage deduction has begun.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:04 am**

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Trump vetoes bill to end US support for the Saudi led Yemen War, because he is Saudi's bitch.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47958014

Who wants to bet his business tax returns will show investment in Saudi Arabia, that's if we ever see them.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:10 am**

Zurkerx wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Trump vetoes bill to end US support for the Saudi led Yemen War, because he is Saudi's bitch.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47958014

Who wants to bet his business tax returns will show investment in Saudi Arabia, that's if we ever see them.

We won't and dealings with Russia and Saudi Arabia are why.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:31 am**

San Lumen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So Trump is being wilfully blind about the consequences of his words.

Racists deny their actions have consequences. His base eats his despicable racist comments up and believes everything his says.

I think the prize goes to this comment to that tweet:

She's been very disrespectful in my opinion, so whatever happens to her, she deserves it. Very presidential!

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:13 am**

Maineiacs wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Who wants to bet his business tax returns will show investment in Saudi Arabia, that's if we ever see them.

We won't and dealings with Russia and Saudi Arabia are why.

I mean, he has but, I'm pretty sure Congress will get them one way or another. Even if they can't get them while he's President, when he finishes his 1st/2nd term, they may still go after him and in that case, he won't have an excuse. But time will tell.

Bahktar wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Racists deny their actions have consequences. His base eats his despicable racist comments up and believes everything his says.

I think the prize goes to this comment to that tweet:

She's been very disrespectful in my opinion, so whatever happens to her, she deserves it. Very presidential!

I can't wait for Republicans to start bashing a Democrat President that acts like Trump, the hypocrisy will be its finest.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:14 am**

Zurkerx wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Trump vetoes bill to end US support for the Saudi led Yemen War, because he is Saudi's bitch.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47958014

Who wants to bet his business tax returns will show investment in Saudi Arabia, that's if we ever see them.

But he is under an audit!

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:05 pm**

Zurkerx wrote:
I can't wait for Republicans to start bashing a Democrat President that acts like Trump, the hypocrisy will be its finest.

I hope that we never, ever get a President like Trump in any other form again. I am sure that if someone like Donald Trump ran for the Democratic Party candidacy, he would have almost no chance of getting it. The Democratic Party is not compromised to the degree that the ~~Trumpublican~~ Republican Party is.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:09 pm**

Bahktar wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I can't wait for Republicans to start bashing a Democrat President that acts like Trump, the hypocrisy will be its finest.

I hope that we never, ever get a President like Trump in any other form again. I am sure that if someone like Donald Trump ran for the Democratic Party candidacy, he would have almost no chance of getting it. The Democratic Party is not compromised to the degree that the ~~Trumpublican~~ Republican Party is.

I have a feeling that a generation from now we'll look back on Trump with longing.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:09 pm**

Telconi wrote:
Bahktar wrote:
I hope that we never, ever get a President like Trump in any other form again. I am sure that if someone like Donald Trump ran for the Democratic Party candidacy, he would have almost no chance of getting it. The Democratic Party is not compromised to the degree that the ~~Trumpublican~~ Republican Party is.

I have a feeling that a generation from now we'll look back on Trump with longing.

I am sure you will

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Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:09 pm**

Zurkerx wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:

We won't and dealings with Russia and Saudi Arabia are why.

I mean, he has but, I'm pretty sure Congress will get them one way or another. Even if they can't get them while he's President, when he finishes his 1st/2nd term, they may still go after him and in that case, he won't have an excuse. But time will tell.

Bahktar wrote:
I think the prize goes to this comment to that tweet:

I can't wait for Republicans to start bashing a Democrat President that acts like Trump, the hypocrisy will be its finest.

Hypocrisy is what runs america

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:21 pm**

Telconi wrote:
Bahktar wrote:
I hope that we never, ever get a President like Trump in any other form again. I am sure that if someone like Donald Trump ran for the Democratic Party candidacy, he would have almost no chance of getting it. The Democratic Party is not compromised to the degree that the ~~Trumpublican~~ Republican Party is.

I have a feeling that a generation from now we'll look back on Trump with longing.

Hmmmm? I am sure we pretty much hit rock bottom with donnie.

Yes I said it! Let the fates prove me wrong again!

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:25 pm**

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I have a feeling that a generation from now we'll look back on Trump with longing.

Hmmmm? I am sure we pretty much hit rock bottom with donnie.

Yes I said it! Let the fates prove me wrong again!

I hope so, but it's looking more and more like we haven't.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:35 pm**

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I have a feeling that a generation from now we'll look back on Trump with longing.

Hmmmm? I am sure we pretty much hit rock bottom with donnie.

Yes I said it! Let the fates prove me wrong again!

I'm not sure if we reached rock bottom considering we'll likely have future President's like Trump regardless of political ideology; he did set that dangerous precedent after all. However, America could have nominated better people too. Eh, time to drink the bottle of wine I got for free from work today.

*pops the cork.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:38 pm**

Bahktar wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I can't wait for Republicans to start bashing a Democrat President that acts like Trump, the hypocrisy will be its finest.

I hope that we never, ever get a President like Trump in any other form again. I am sure that if someone like Donald Trump ran for the Democratic Party candidacy, he would have almost no chance of getting it. The Democratic Party is not compromised to the degree that the ~~Trumpublican~~ Republican Party is.

Both parties are losing support as more and more identify as "independents", which is a stretch because they lean one way or the other. But I do think the Democrats are becoming more and more like a Democrat Trump, just my opinion.

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I mean, he has but, I'm pretty sure Congress will get them one way or another. Even if they can't get them while he's President, when he finishes his 1st/2nd term, they may still go after him and in that case, he won't have an excuse. But time will tell.

I can't wait for Republicans to start bashing a Democrat President that acts like Trump, the hypocrisy will be its finest.

Hypocrisy is what runs america

It unfortunately does.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:52 pm**

Zurkerx wrote:
Bahktar wrote:
I hope that we never, ever get a President like Trump in any other form again. I am sure that if someone like Donald Trump ran for the Democratic Party candidacy, he would have almost no chance of getting it. The Democratic Party is not compromised to the degree that the ~~Trumpublican~~ Republican Party is.

Both parties are losing support as more and more identify as "independents", which is a stretch because they lean one way or the other. But I do think the Democrats are becoming more and more like a Democrat Trump, just my opinion.

Seems pretty flat to me, honestly.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:01 pm**

Good to know NK issue is over and we shall have peace.. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... SApp_Other

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:18 pm**

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmmm? I am sure we pretty much hit rock bottom with donnie.

Yes I said it! Let the fates prove me wrong again!

I hope so, but it's looking more and more like we haven't.

Damn it! I forgot about Don Jr and Eric!

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:33 am**

White House and Justice Dept. Officials Discussed Mueller Report Before Release

Well, this is going to turn bad real fast, especially if Trump's Legal Team was able to build defense before its release.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:01 am**

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I have a feeling that a generation from now we'll look back on Trump with longing.

Hmmmm? I am sure we pretty much hit rock bottom with donnie.

Yes I said it! Let the fates prove me wrong again!

As much as I dislike the President, to be frank we have had worse. Harding and Andrew Jackson come tonmind as being almost total piles of crap with few redeemable qualitjes to their tenure. Hell, Trump has nothing on Harding when it comes to corruption or the like. The guy ran so many cons out of the White House, it was almost unbelievable. Hell, even on vacations Harding has Trump beat, as he immediately went on a 9 month vacation after being sworn in, doing jack all during that tine.

Trump does seem like a photo-copy of Harding, appointing business people to positions that are supposed to regulate their businesses, cronyism, and generally taking advantage of his position for gain.

That said, Harding was a hell of a lot more flagrant in his abuse of the office than Trump is, which puts him slightly "ahead" in Rock-Bottom.

Ao basically, Trump isn't rock bottom, he is just a much lazier, off-brand version of Rock bottom.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:03 am**

Seangoli wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmmm? I am sure we pretty much hit rock bottom with donnie.

Yes I said it! Let the fates prove me wrong again!

As much as I dislike the President, to be frank we have had worse. Harding and Andrew Jackson come tonmind as being almost total piles of crap with few redeemable qualitjes to their tenure. Hell, Trump has nothing on Harding when it comes to corruption or the like. The guy ran so many cons out of the White House, it was almost unbelievable. Hell, even on vacations Harding has Trump beat, as he immediately went on a 9 month vacation after being sworn in, doing jack all during that tine.

Trump does seem like a photo-copy of Harding, appointing business people to positions that are supposed to regulate their businesses, cronyism, and generally taking advantage of his position for gain.

That said, Harding was a hell of a lot more flagrant in his abuse of the office than Trump is, which puts him slightly "ahead" in Rock-Bottom.

Ao basically, Trump isn't rock bottom, he is just a much lazier, off-brand version of Rock bottom.

Iirc it wasn't exactly that Harding was personally corrupt, he was just a bumbling bafoon and people working in his administration worked the cons on his behalf.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:31 am**

Live Updates of Mueller's Report

I'll read the report later but what I'm hearing is that the Trump Campaign "expected" benefit from Russia's illegal actions and the fact they didn't subpoena Trump because "it would delay the investigation". These and more bits are bound to get a lot of attention.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:45 am**

Holy shit.

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state"

This is clear legalese for 'we found evidence to support that Donald Trump did commit obstruction of justice'. This is monumental.

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