MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[Yusseria]

Double jeapordy only applies to criminal offenses.

Remember, sweetie, illegal immigration is a civil offense. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Not true United States v. One Assortment of 89 Firearms

And how is deporting criminal illegal aliens the same as double jeapordy?

[Yusseria]

Double jeapordy only applies to criminal offenses.

Remember, sweetie, illegal immigration is a civil offense. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Could you try being a decent poster for once?

Could you try debating instead of constantly trying to insult me?

[Yusseria]

We shouldn't be allowing literal criminals into the country anyway.

If I commit a crime inside after I'm here , then I'm not a criminal beforehand.

Yes you are. You have a criminal history which makes you undesirable for immigration.

[The South Falls]

Not true United States v. One Assortment of 89 Firearms

And how is deporting criminal illegal aliens the same as double jeapordy?

If you are not found to be in violation, then you are not to be just charged again.

[The South Falls]

If I commit a crime inside after I'm here , then I'm not a criminal beforehand.

Yes you are. You have a criminal history which makes you undesirable for immigration.

That's not how that works. I immigrate here. I steal bread from a shop. I am not a criminal beforehand.

[Neutraligon]

If they do a crime outside US jurisdiction they most certainly should.

Then debate it

Your opinion.

Gotta extradite myself from this straw pile first.

Oh, so if a US citizen commits murder somewhere in Europe, where the US does not have any legal jurisdiction, the person should not be prosecuted in the country the committed murder in? I assume then you have no issue with this applying to non-US citizens committing crimes in the US, right?

Not true United States v. One Assortment of 89 Firearms

And how is deporting criminal illegal aliens the same as double jeapordy?

I never claimed it did, only that you are in fact not correct about double jeopardy only applying to criminal offenses. Apparently the law is somewhat unclear on when and where it occurs.

[Yusseria]

And how is deporting criminal illegal aliens the same as double jeapordy?

If you are not found to be in violation, then you are not to be just charged again.

Deportation is not charging someone with anything.

[Yusseria]

Your opinion.

Gotta extradite myself from this straw pile first.

Oh, so if a US citizen commits murder somewhere in Europe, where the US does not have any legal jurisdiction, the person should not be prosecuted in the country the committed murder in? I assume then you have no issue with this applying to non-US citizens committing crimes in the US, right?

And how is deporting criminal illegal aliens the same as double jeapordy?

I never claimed it did, only that you are in fact not correct about double jeopardy only applying to criminal offenses. Apparently the law is somewhat unclear on when and where it occurs.

That's fine.

[Yusseria]

Yes you are. You have a criminal history which makes you undesirable for immigration.

That's not how that works. I immigrate here. I steal bread from a shop. I am not a criminal beforehand.

You have a criminal record which is enough to not want you here.

[Telconi]

Your opinion.

Gotta extradite myself from this straw pile first.

Oh, so if a US citizen commits murder somewhere in Europe, where the US does not have any legal jurisdiction, the person should not be prosecuted in the country the committed murder in? I assume then you have no issue with this applying to non-US citizens committing crimes in the US, right?

And how is deporting criminal illegal aliens the same as double jeapordy?

I never claimed it did, only that you are in fact not correct about double jeopardy only applying to criminal offenses. Apparently the law is somewhat unclear on when and where it occurs.

That'd depend on the country and the crime. You would assume correct.

[Neutraligon]

If you are not found to be in violation, then you are not to be just charged again.

Deportation is not charging someone with anything.

Looking at it very quickly apparently double jeopardy does not apply to deportation hearings.

[Yusseria]

Deportation is not charging someone with anything.

Looking at it very quickly apparently double jeopardy does not apply to deportation hearings.

Thank you.

[Thuzbekistan]

Theres so many more important issues than immigration. I wish we could get past that. And, tbh, illegal immigration is usually overstay of visas. The only reason to build the wall is drugs, but even then, eh. Theres better things to be done.

[Neutraligon]

Theres so many more important issues than immigration. I wish we could get past that. And, tbh, illegal immigration is usually overstay of visas. The only reason to build the wall is drugs, but even then, eh. Theres better things to be done.

I doubt a wall would do a thing to stop drugs from crossing.

[Neutraligon]

Looking at it very quickly apparently double jeopardy does not apply to deportation hearings.

Thank you.

To be more exact, double jeopardy means that even if new facts come to light a person who has been declared not guilty cannot be tried again for the same crime. For removal hearings new facts coming to light, or new criminal behaviors means that the person can be "tried" again for the same crime. If however no new facts/criminal stuff occurs then a person cannot be tried again. https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/ ... pardy.html

[Internationalist Bastard]

Theres so many more important issues than immigration. I wish we could get past that. And, tbh, illegal immigration is usually overstay of visas. The only reason to build the wall is drugs, but even then, eh. Theres better things to be done.

I doubt a wall would do a thing to stop drugs from crossing.

Oh I’m sure it’ll make them work slightly harder
Key note slightly as this nothing to deal with the tunnels, boats and planes currently used. Nor does it exactly deal with the eternal fact that smuggling operations have always been good at just sneaking under the noses of customs.
I’d imagine they’d literally need to close the border from everything to even put a real dent in the drug trade

[Yusseria]

I doubt a wall would do a thing to stop drugs from crossing.

Oh I’m sure it’ll make them work slightly harder
Key note slightly as this nothing to deal with the tunnels, boats and planes currently used. Nor does it exactly deal with the eternal fact that smuggling operations have always been good at just sneaking under the noses of customs.
I’d imagine they’d literally need to close the border from everything to even put a real dent in the drug trade

It's almost as if a wall should be part of a broader effort to reduce illegal immigration and drug trafficking.

[Yusseria]

Thank you.

To be more exact, double jeopardy means that even if new facts come to light a person who has been declared not guilty cannot be tried again for the same crime. For removal hearings new facts coming to light, or new criminal behaviors means that the person can be "tried" again for the same crime. If however no new facts/criminal stuff occurs then a person cannot be tried again. https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/ ... pardy.html

Sounds about right.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Oh I’m sure it’ll make them work slightly harder
Key note slightly as this nothing to deal with the tunnels, boats and planes currently used. Nor does it exactly deal with the eternal fact that smuggling operations have always been good at just sneaking under the noses of customs.
I’d imagine they’d literally need to close the border from everything to even put a real dent in the drug trade

It's almost as if a wall should be part of a broader effort to reduce illegal immigration and drug trafficking.

Sure but when it’s cheaper to make a similar network to effectively monitor the border and then more money can be tossed at broader efforts you gotta question why we’re wasting time and money on a wall

[Yusseria]

It's almost as if a wall should be part of a broader effort to reduce illegal immigration and drug trafficking.

Sure but when it’s cheaper to make a similar network to effectively monitor the border and then more money can be tossed at broader efforts you gotta question why we’re wasting time and money on a wall

Because physical barriers are a fairly basic and effective part of keeping people out.

[Neutraligon]

Sure but when it’s cheaper to make a similar network to effectively monitor the border and then more money can be tossed at broader efforts you gotta question why we’re wasting time and money on a wall

Because physical barriers are a fairly basic and effective part of keeping people out.

Not when they typically use existing ports of entry to get into the US or to pass drugs into the US. Not when many illegal immigrants come into the US legally and then overstay their VISA.

[Yusseria]

Because physical barriers are a fairly basic and effective part of keeping people out.

Not when they typically use existing ports of entry to get into the US or to pass drugs into the US. Not when many illegal immigrants come into the US legally and then overstay their VISA.

Which is why I said I think a wall should be a part of a broader effort to reduce illegal immigration. I do not view it as the only solution.

[Neutraligon]

Not when they typically use existing ports of entry to get into the US or to pass drugs into the US. Not when many illegal immigrants come into the US legally and then overstay their VISA.

Which is why I said I think a wall should be a part of a broader effort to reduce illegal immigration. I do not view it as the only solution.

Show that a wall (more than what we already have) is an effective deterrent, more effective then other methods of limiting illegal immigration. I am not willing to take on faith that a wall is the best use of our funds, particularly because in order for the wall to be effective the wall would need to be manned.

[Vassenor]

Because physical barriers are a fairly basic and effective part of keeping people out.

Not when they typically use existing ports of entry to get into the US or to pass drugs into the US. Not when many illegal immigrants come into the US legally and then overstay their VISA.

But Trump said all that stuff the DEA says about drugs coming in through legal ports of entry is fake news. So it must be. Because he would never lie about something like that.

[Zurkerx]

Theres so many more important issues than immigration. I wish we could get past that. And, tbh, illegal immigration is usually overstay of visas. The only reason to build the wall is drugs, but even then, eh. Theres better things to be done.

I doubt a wall would do a thing to stop drugs from crossing.

People seem to forget there are also two bodies of water: the Pacific and Gulf of Mexico, which I'm pretty sure the Cartel exploit. And yes, a majority of illegal immigration is those overstaying their visas. Not to mention, couldn't they just dig under the wall? I mean, they already do that, and there ain't no wall now...